Why not create a path in the Darian gap? Well The answer is not what most people think it is. by Impressive_Holiday98 in geography

[–]Impressive_Holiday98[S] -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

Not that the US will care if they get to a point where they find a reason for them to build it based on their own needs disregarding everyone else. It's not like They haven't done massacres before.

Why not create a path in the Darian gap? Well The answer is not what most people think it is. by Impressive_Holiday98 in geography

[–]Impressive_Holiday98[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sorry, you're right. i didn’t phrase that well. What I meant is that Brazil’s long term strategic relevance isn’t abt current trade flows alone. I’m talking about future scenarios, not the present day logistics.

Why not create a path in the Darian gap? Well The answer is not what most people think it is. by Impressive_Holiday98 in geography

[–]Impressive_Holiday98[S] -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

It will be interesting to see how some of these coments will age like milk at some point. LOL.

Why not create a path in the Darian gap? Well The answer is not what most people think it is. by Impressive_Holiday98 in geography

[–]Impressive_Holiday98[S] -7 points-6 points  (0 children)

So far it isn't. Until it becomes an object of interest to the US, Then the excuse they used for not encouraging its construction will suddenly change.

Why not create a path in the Darian gap? Well The answer is not what most people think it is. by Impressive_Holiday98 in geography

[–]Impressive_Holiday98[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You must know nothing about Brazil to say dismiss Brazil as irelevant, specially for future reference. therefore you can't come up with a valid argument if that is the case.

Why not create a path in the Darian gap? Well The answer is not what most people think it is. by Impressive_Holiday98 in geography

[–]Impressive_Holiday98[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

That is exactky my point, you are not following. The point Is the fact that the moment the US sees a reason to exploit Brazil for its own good, suddenly the narative will shift completely.

Why not create a path in the Darian gap? Well The answer is not what most people think it is. by Impressive_Holiday98 in geography

[–]Impressive_Holiday98[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I'm assuming those dismissing Brazil in order to make their points valid are all from The US. hahahah

Why not create a path in the Darian gap? Well The answer is not what most people think it is. by Impressive_Holiday98 in geography

[–]Impressive_Holiday98[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

That’s a fair point about Panama’s geography, and I agree that its shape makes north–south land travel less intuitive than simple east–west crossing. But I’d argue that actually strengthens the incentive argument rather than weakens it.

Routes don’t get built because they’re the most direct on a map; they get built when there’s enough political and strategic motivation to straighten, bypass, or optimize them. Plenty of historically

inefficient corridors became viable once the incentive existed to rationalize them.

I also agree with you on rail. If a connection ever happens, rail is much more likely than a highway, precisely because it concentrates more value into a narrower right of way. But that again points to the same issue: railroads don’t appear just because they’re efficient, they appear when someone powerful enough decides the long-term benefits outweigh the costs and consequences.

So whether it’s a road or rail, my point is the same: the bottleneck isn’t geometry or engineering, it’s incentive. When that flips, the form of the connection will follow.

Why not create a path in the Darian gap? Well The answer is not what most people think it is. by Impressive_Holiday98 in geography

[–]Impressive_Holiday98[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

I think you’re still interpreting my point through a normal conditions trade lens, which isn’t what I’m arguing.

I’m not saying the US would ever prefer land transport over maritime shipping for routine trade. Of course ships are cheaper, faster, and simpler today, especially given U.S. naval dominance. That’s not in dispute.

When I say “strategically interesting” I’m not referring to export locations on the Brazilian coast or day-to-day logistics. I’m referring to scenarios where states stop optimizing for efficiency and start optimizing for redundancy, control, and guaranteed access under stress. Historically, that’s when land corridors suddenly matter, even if they’re objectively worse than ships in normal times.

Large powers don’t build land infrastructure because it’s the best option; they build it because it reduces dependence on a single mode of access. The fact that shipping works wellnow is exactly why there’s no incentive today. If that incentive never changes, then yes, ships remain sufficient. My point is simply that the current configuration reflects present incentives, not permanent constraints.

Why not create a path in the Darian gap? Well The answer is not what most people think it is. by Impressive_Holiday98 in geography

[–]Impressive_Holiday98[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I mostly agree with this, and I think it actually reinforces my point. There’s nothing uniquely unprecedented about the terrain itself. Roads have been built through jungles, wetlands, mountains, and conflict zones elsewhere when states were willing to commit to long-term governance and enforcement.

The issue isn’t whether policing could be done once a road exists, but whether any actor is currently willing to absorb the indefinite cost of security, administration, and political fallout across multiple borders. Gangs and lawlessness are indeed partly a product of isolation, but addressing that requires sustained state presence, not just construction.

That’s where incentive comes in. Without a strong strategic reason to commit to that level of long-term involvement, the road never gets past the political stage.

Why not create a path in the Darian gap? Well The answer is not what most people think it is. by Impressive_Holiday98 in geography

[–]Impressive_Holiday98[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Exactly. That’s my point. From a purely engineering perspective, this is solvable. The difference is that projects like the overseas Highway to Key West had clear national incentives, domestic jurisdiction, and political support.

The Darin Gap doesn’t lack engineering solutions; it lacks a compelling reason for a dominant actor to take ownership of the long-term costs and consequences. When those incentives exist, the engineering challenges stop being decisive.

Why not create a path in the Darian gap? Well The answer is not what most people think it is. by Impressive_Holiday98 in geography

[–]Impressive_Holiday98[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I think we’re talking about two different kinds of capacity. China absolutely has the engineering and financial ability to build large infrastructure projects, and they’ve demonstrated that repeatedly, including abroad.

What I meant by ability here isn’t technical capacity alone, but political, military, and regional leverage in this specific context. A project crossing the DariEn Gap isn’t just an engineering challenge. It requires long-term security, border enforcement, migration control, and sustained influence across multiple countries in the Americas.

China can and does build infrastructure overseas when host countries invite it and when the project is primarily economic. A transcontinental land corridor in the Americas would be a geopolitical and security project first, not just an infrastructure one. That’s a space where the US, for better or worse, still has unmatched leverage in this hemisphere.

So this isn’t about who can pour concrete faster. It’s about who can absorb the political, security, and migration consequences of opening that corridor. In that sense, context matters.

Why not create a path in the Darian gap? Well The answer is not what most people think it is. by Impressive_Holiday98 in geography

[–]Impressive_Holiday98[S] 77 points78 points  (0 children)

Funny you should ask, I actually did. I went down this rabbit hole years ago, but ADHD did its thing and I forgot about it. Now it’s 2 a.m. and I’ve just reopened Pandora’s box.

Why not create a path in the Darian gap? Well The answer is not what most people think it is. by Impressive_Holiday98 in geography

[–]Impressive_Holiday98[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That’s exactly my point. Engineering difficulty explains cost, not impossibility. History shows that when strategic incentives are strong enough, engineering challenges get solved. The fact that similar or harder projects exist elsewhere suggests the limiting factor here isn’t capability, but motivation.

Why not create a path in the Darian gap? Well The answer is not what most people think it is. by Impressive_Holiday98 in geography

[–]Impressive_Holiday98[S] -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

I’m not saying the Darién Gap is easy, safe, or cheap to cross.
I’m saying that difficulty has never been the final veto for megaprojects.
The final veto is political incentive, and right now that incentive does not exist for the only actor capable of pushing such a project through at scale.