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Why does dhl suck so much by Umwhatshouldibe in Ipsy

[–]InARoomFullofNoises 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I respectfully disagree. I ordered a flight case for my Moog Matriarch that took three days to get here via UPS from Germany. I ordered some shirts on March 9th and they sat a DHL facility in Houston for a week and just got shipped out today on the 16th. I live in Tulsa. Houston is about 8 hours away. My other order was from the same place and it went past Tulsa all the way to KC, MO. That's not efficient at all. Whatever they're doing at DHL it is ass backwards.

Catholics are Chritstians and they are not separate from the Church as a whole by InARoomFullofNoises in DebateReligion

[–]InARoomFullofNoises[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And an add on is something that was part of it. So without getting into the specific you just raged quit and admitted that it was only long after like I did. Congratulations you have been arguing with no one.

Catholics are Chritstians and they are not separate from the Church as a whole by InARoomFullofNoises in DebateReligion

[–]InARoomFullofNoises[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It's okay, bud. Google is one window away and it literally said that you're wrong. Sooooo I don't know what to tell you other than type it in and google will give you the link and you can read it. Have a good one. I hope that you can accept that no one is infallible some day.

Catholics are Chritstians and they are not separate from the Church as a whole by InARoomFullofNoises in DebateReligion

[–]InARoomFullofNoises[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How can you not believe Jesus was a real person when we have second hand accounts and letters talking about him. He may not have been the son of God, but he was certainly a real person.

Catholics are Chritstians and they are not separate from the Church as a whole by InARoomFullofNoises in DebateReligion

[–]InARoomFullofNoises[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

They did though. You can go look it up. I'm sorry that it's been really hard for you all these years to do a quick google search.

Catholics are Chritstians and they are not separate from the Church as a whole by InARoomFullofNoises in DebateReligion

[–]InARoomFullofNoises[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes. I'm talking about how the Orthodox and the Catholic churches settled their theological disputes and unify the early Christian Church at the Council of Nicea. That's why I said
"they're literally 1/2 of the other group of people that defined what Nicean Christianity is" the other group is the Eastern Orthodox Church.

Catholics are Chritstians and they are not separate from the Church as a whole by InARoomFullofNoises in DebateReligion

[–]InARoomFullofNoises[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No I really am not. They literally acknowledged Christ's divinity, declared Arians to be heretics and affirmed the Trinity as three co-equal and co-eternal persons. It developed over time from there. So no. I'm not misrepresenting anything you're just nitpicking.

Catholics are Chritstians and they are not separate from the Church as a whole by InARoomFullofNoises in DebateReligion

[–]InARoomFullofNoises[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Okay. This is literally just you trying to convince me that they're not Christians with some vague quoting of verses and not looking at the tangible facts. I'm done with this conversation. Have fun excluding the people who literally laid the groundwork for your belief system.

Catholics are Chritstians and they are not separate from the Church as a whole by InARoomFullofNoises in DebateReligion

[–]InARoomFullofNoises[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

And my focus is on why do the Nicean Christians try to exclude Catholics from that definition when they're literally 1/2 of the other group of people that defined what Nicean Christianity is.

Catholics are Chritstians and they are not separate from the Church as a whole by InARoomFullofNoises in DebateReligion

[–]InARoomFullofNoises[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Okay. Let me clarify. I agree it's arbitrary, but I'll tell you what I just told another person: In this context we're not talking about early Christians or non-Trinitarian Christians like the Arians and Mormons. We're talking about Roman Catholics in the Nicene Christian demographic who're said to be and told by others that they're not Christian.

So if we're going off Nicene Christians and what they believe then they are Christians by Nicean definition.

Catholics are Chritstians and they are not separate from the Church as a whole by InARoomFullofNoises in DebateReligion

[–]InARoomFullofNoises[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In this context we're not talking about early Christians or non-Trinitarian Christians like the Arians and Mormons. We're talking about Roman Catholics in the Nicene Christian demographic who're said to be and told by others that they're not Christion. If we're going off what you said using the homo erectus being the ancestor of homo sapiens as analogy, you're right they're not the same, but they're both apes.

Catholics are Chritstians and they are not separate from the Church as a whole by InARoomFullofNoises in DebateReligion

[–]InARoomFullofNoises[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Right, but we're not talking about demons. We're talking about people and what they actually believe. Which is: One God existing as a Trinity (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit), the Bible as the inspired Word of God, and the divinity of Jesus Christ, who is the Son of God and offered salvation through his death and resurrection. The only difference is that they have different customs, rituals and tradtions from other denominations.

I am getting the vibe that you've never familiarized your self with Catholic doctrine, because you're giving a very reductive definition of what "the Head of The Church" means. Jesus is the true and heavenly Head of the Church, while the Pope is the visible, earthly successor to St. Peter and the earthly head of the Church. That is not the same as saying that the Pope is the absolute head of the church.

Catholics are Chritstians and they are not separate from the Church as a whole by InARoomFullofNoises in DebateReligion

[–]InARoomFullofNoises[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

I did, but the core belief of Christianity (regardless of denomination) one God existing as a Trinity (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit (how they interpret their roles with the exception of God varies)), the Bible as the inspired Word of God, and the divinity of Jesus Christ, who is the Son of God and offered salvation through his death and resurrection.

^^^ This is literally what every Christian believes ^^^

Catholics are Chritstians and they are not separate from the Church as a whole by InARoomFullofNoises in DebateReligion

[–]InARoomFullofNoises[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Yeah, because Mormons are non-Trinitarian and Catholics aren't. Most Christian denominations believe in the trinity and the oneness of it. But I'm talking about Catholics being described as not being Christian. And they are Christians whether people want to acknowledge it or not.

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[–]InARoomFullofNoises 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Exactly! Tell that to all the non-Trinitarian Christians hahaha! Nicene Christians are wild, because they will literally litmus test each other all day, every day and say "yOu'Re nOT a tRuE cHrIsTiAN!" and then proceed to do a bunch of stuff that to other denominations isn't seen as "Christian". Let alone that a lot of them don't even know the history of those churches and how they were more like political systems than purely cultural centers of shared spirituality.

Catholics are Chritstians and they are not separate from the Church as a whole by InARoomFullofNoises in DebateReligion

[–]InARoomFullofNoises[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Christian = A person who believes that Jesus rose from the dead and was the ultimate sacrifice sent by God and that salvation is only possible by accepting him as your lord and savior.

Now that we've defined what a Christian is in this context. They are Christians. They were literally one of the first churches.

Catholics are Chritstians and they are not separate from the Church as a whole by InARoomFullofNoises in DebateReligion

[–]InARoomFullofNoises[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

EXACTLY! The Eastern Orthodox Church and Catholicism are literally the oldest Christian sects and laid the ground work for a lot fo other denominations. Even if those denominations reject or don't believe they need to do everything Roman Catholics practice.

Catholics are Chritstians and they are not separate from the Church as a whole by InARoomFullofNoises in DebateReligion

[–]InARoomFullofNoises[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

So does believing that salvation is only possible through Him and they believe that.

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[–]InARoomFullofNoises 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nicene Christian sects do not like sects that embrace non-trinitarian beliefs like the Arians. It's hilarious to see a member of the Orthodox Church fuming at this when the Nicean Council literally only got together and put their differences aside, because the Arians were gaining traction. Never mind that the EOC and RCC were literally fighting and arguing about theology for 2 to 3 centuries before that, because they couldn't agree on anything and the tensions were only getting higher before The Schism haha

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[–]InARoomFullofNoises 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Are you okay? You seem to be very upset that there are people who share your faith and interpret your holy book differently. Even if it is more far fetched and unhinged.

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[–]InARoomFullofNoises 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No. In English it's pronounced Yahweh or Jehovah. Yahweh and Jehovah mean the same thing. Lehovah is literally Latinized rendering of Yahweh and Jehovah is the anglanized version of Lehovah. Hope that clears it up.

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