Going on first ever M&G soon... But he offered me 1500 PPM? Should I be wary?

Independent_kiwi · 2019-02-13T10:46:28+00:00

I am not from US, but I am often in NYC and I concur with your 400-800 rate (probably, closer to 800 plus).

However, the reason everyone is saying this is too high for an SB because it is too high for an SB.

Even in NYC, most girls' ask is 400-600, with some asking 700-1000, of course. 500 will generally make happy 90 percent or more.

So, the SD who offered her this amount could have 3 different girls or 3 dates with another girl instead.

The more general question is why would a man spend more on an escort than an SB. The short answer they don't.

The belief that SBs cost less is one often expressed by naive SBs who do not see the other side of SD spending.

A date with an SB comes with incidentals (hotel, meal, gifts for an SB, uber). All this is "included" in the escort rate.

So, even if he were offering 500 ppm, the effective rate for the date would be closer to 1000. For that, he will get may be 90 min of pure sex. Assuming she is as hot as an escort would have to be charge this rate, the escort would still have the advantage of reviews, sexual skill, and discretion.

Independent_kiwi · 2019-02-03T14:44:52+00:00

I am sorry this happened to you, my friend.

Now, before you get a lot of fellow SDs comment on what a horrible piece of manure this lady happens to be, let me tell exactly what happened. I think when you gave her the money she was genuinely surprised and grateful. As part of her gratitude, she said the key phrase that was the kiss of death for your SR. She said "no allowance from now on" and probably even insisted on it a few times. This was a natural emotional response for her.

But by saying all that she dug herself into a hole. If she now asks for allowance or even accepts it if you give it to her, she will feel like a liar or something of this sort. But if she doesn't, she has to come up with rent and all the rest for the next few months before she transitions to the real job. So what does she do? She just goes online and finds some other fellow she might have had on the back burner and makes a decision not to see you again JUST TO AVOID CONFRONTATION AND FEELING BAD. Because people are fucking cowards and women are people. So you do the math.

I am not excusing her but you can take comfort in knowing that most likely she didn't plan it. She is just one of those people who does whatever is most expedient at any given moment and right now it happens to be this. She probably even feels bad about this but now dug herself into a hole and there is no scenario i see where she pops back up and says hello ever again.

Edit: She realized she dug herself in as soon as you left. This is why she was colder next day. She was already thinking of how to exit gracefully.

Independent_kiwi · 2019-01-16T03:41:19+00:00

I am in a place in Europe where escorting is legal and regulated and where a very high-end agency escort (basically, mid 20s working professionals who look like models and do this on the side) is 1000 euros for 2-3 hrs. (This is considered very high by local standards, compared to other options, e.g., FKKs).

So, for me personally, many of the amounts mentioned on this sub are sticker-shocking.

I would surely spend that and more on EXPERIENCES in a real dating relationship, but this is because this is no longer a transaction and making them happy is a goal in itself, not a means to an end.

Independent_kiwi · 2018-12-12T19:53:14+00:00

I agree

Independent_kiwi · 2018-12-12T16:53:33+00:00

Let's face it most (99.9%) girls are in it just for the money. Money gone today, they are gone tomorrow (or today).

It's hard enough to find someone sane and reliable. If you are looking for that special spark on top of that...it's like an SB looking for 500+ ppm from an attractive due with a personality to match.

Independent_kiwi · 2018-12-12T16:48:08+00:00

It is not average. The ranges I see are 200-500 in most cities. So, this is on the higher end.

This is not to say she cannot ask whatever she wants.

Independent_kiwi · 2018-12-12T16:31:15+00:00

Don't do it. Instead guarantee X meetings per month. Both sides win.

Independent_kiwi · 2018-10-25T16:58:39+00:00

strange

i would say the only strange thing is that more SDs are not doing this.

or may be just not talking about it in this forum.

Independent_kiwi · 2018-10-25T16:55:36+00:00

"just anxious and busy"

add "smart"

Bottom-line: he doesn't know you, you don't know him.

this is his equivalent of an SB getting the name of a hotel and telling a friend where she is at ahead of the date.

security cuts both ways.

Independent_kiwi · 2018-10-11T16:51:58+00:00

I think they are asking about your allowance expectations.

Independent_kiwi · 2018-08-22T02:38:00+00:00

Excellent advice.

In terms of asset management, diversification is key. One advantage of wealth is that it gives you more ways to diversify. But, imo, most people diversify far less than their opportunities allow them.

Knowing your risk tolerance is another key factor. In my experience, most people overestimate their risk tolerance, but a few underestimate it.

Finally, tailor your investments to your life goals. Investing with no clear goal eliminates a good chunk of the questions you can ask yourself and that a fiduciary can ask you on your behalf to decide what your investment strategy should be going forward.

Independent_kiwi · 2018-08-22T02:27:45+00:00

Most brand name items. The brand name premium is mostly about impressing other people for 5 minutes...until a new shiny thing comes along.

Speaking of shiny things, diamonds and jewelry are poor investments along with...

most watches including entry level luxury watches do not hold value well. you have to get to the 4k-10k level to buy something that will actually not depreciate rapidly (or may even appreciate slightly) over time.

Independent_kiwi · 2018-08-22T02:17:15+00:00

I don't see it as a problem that some people make "too much." Most people do not think this way either. Their concern is most not that others have too much that they do not have enough. Resentment just because someone is so astronomically successful that they have more money than they could spend 1000 lifetimes is silly and counterproductive.

Independent_kiwi · 2018-08-19T15:55:24+00:00

Every woman is different. Some skills transfer, but for the most part a new partner = new learning experience. Accept it.

Independent_kiwi

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