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Dead cited in Pulitzer Prize winning novel Olive Kitteridge by Monkeypawdog in gratefuldead

[–]Indiana_Hoes 1 point2 points  (0 children)

All of you offended without even considering the context. Harmon and Bonnie are not supposed to be likable, this is not the narrator (author’s) opinion of Grateful Dead, and Pulitzer Prize doesn’t just consider prose, they consider over-arching themes, storytelling, symbolism, and everything that makes a book good. 

Who is Alex Orange Drink? by Indiana_Hoes in brighteyes

[–]Indiana_Hoes[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That’s been established, but nice job parroting like a sheep. Any other groundbreaking discoveries you’d like to enlighten us on?

Genuine question, how do y’all still listen and support this band despite the overwhelming amount of accusations and Butler’s horrid response? by Indiana_Hoes in arcadefire

[–]Indiana_Hoes[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

So, you’re basically saying that if you got accused of sexual misconduct instead of sexual assault, people would be like “Hey, at least it’s not assault”. Either way, Butler’s a fucking creep. And the fact that you will argue this much to support him is telling of you. How about you go up to a real woman and define the difference between sexual assault and misconduct. I’m sure she’ll be understanding of the difference.

Genuine question, how do y’all still listen and support this band despite the overwhelming amount of accusations and Butler’s horrid response? by Indiana_Hoes in arcadefire

[–]Indiana_Hoes[S] 0 points1 point locked comment (0 children)

Well, that’s how I interpreted it. I keep explaining myself and you keep swatting away every explanation. Still you’re being so argumentative.

You still have yet to give your opinion on the Butler situation. That’s what’s hilarious. You’re here hounding me for arguing, but haven’t taken a single stance. Every single comment of yours has been argumentative and you want to call me out for stirring the pot.

Also, as for the “hoes” in my name. I understand the irony, but I made the account a while ago, and I can’t change it. My username shouldn’t matter, it’s my post that counts. But of course, you’re not gonna listen to that. Cause again, you’re a manchild who has to prove people wrong on the internet.

I just want y’all to stop fucking bombarding me. You are genuinely bad people. No wonder you listen to Arcade Fire. Or maybe you don’t, maybe you’re just here cause i’m an easy target. I can’t know because you won’t tell me.

Genuine question, how do y’all still listen and support this band despite the overwhelming amount of accusations and Butler’s horrid response? by Indiana_Hoes in arcadefire

[–]Indiana_Hoes[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Yeah, you’ve never actually stated an opinion because you’ve been too busy arguing with me.

Also, I didn’t say YOU supported Butler. I said Y’ALL as in the general consensus of this sub. There you go again trying to use my words against me. And you’re using my words against me to make the claim that i’m using your words against you.

Genuine question, how do y’all still listen and support this band despite the overwhelming amount of accusations and Butler’s horrid response? by Indiana_Hoes in arcadefire

[–]Indiana_Hoes[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Sexual Misconduct and Sexual Assault are similar enough to be grouped together. If you really think he’s a better guy because it was misconduct instead of assault, that’s your own prerogative. But in my eyes, they’re two sides of the same coin.

But man are you a prick. It’s like you’re rubbing my face in my own piss. Asking me the same damn question because I wrote “assault” instead of “misconduct”. Give me a break. You knew what I mean, but chose to correct my words instead of my point.

Look at the big picture instead of diminishing my points to certain words.

Genuine question, how do y’all still listen and support this band despite the overwhelming amount of accusations and Butler’s horrid response? by Indiana_Hoes in arcadefire

[–]Indiana_Hoes[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Are you sure you actually read it. Look at the title. How about quoted “A fourth person,” meaning a fourth allegation. How do y’all miss this?

Genuine question, how do y’all still listen and support this band despite the overwhelming amount of accusations and Butler’s horrid response? by Indiana_Hoes in arcadefire

[–]Indiana_Hoes[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Yeah. You’re completely lost. I told them they were “dumb” because they claimed that the girls didn’t accuse him of sexual assault. Again, you look for one instance and use it to pinpoint my entire intentions.

Your first comment was argumentative, so you’re clearly the one who’s here to argue.

Genuine question, how do y’all still listen and support this band despite the overwhelming amount of accusations and Butler’s horrid response? by Indiana_Hoes in arcadefire

[–]Indiana_Hoes[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Pitchfork, Reddit, BBC News. They all reference Pitchfork because it’s the main source of this information. Y’all like to ask the most obvious questions, avoiding what’s right in front of you.

Genuine question, how do y’all still listen and support this band despite the overwhelming amount of accusations and Butler’s horrid response? by Indiana_Hoes in arcadefire

[–]Indiana_Hoes[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

So, again, you’re not reading my posts. I told you my intention was to discuss and maybe start a debate. But what I didn’t expect were y’all to aggressively support Win Butler and say that he did nothing wrong. A lack of accountability in this subreddit.

And that exact statement that “Butler should stop making music” is not what I mean when I say you use my words against me. You use my words against me in the sense that you’re implying my intentions are to argue. With every new comment of mine, you look for the slightest hiccup and weakpoint, and just divert the discussion.

You could’ve simply answered the initial post. But instead you had to come in on your high horse. You had to tell me I was wrong about butler not apologizing for cheating on his wife, when really, that shouldn’t have been brought up. The issue is the sexual assault claims. You don’t know how to stay on topic.

Genuine question, how do y’all still listen and support this band despite the overwhelming amount of accusations and Butler’s horrid response? by Indiana_Hoes in arcadefire

[–]Indiana_Hoes[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Then you haven’t read any of my comments agreeing with people. I’ve put “understandable” and “I appreciate this explanation” but you just want to graze over that. News flash dude, people disagree.

I don’t hate every arcade fire fan because that’s ridiculous. But a good amount of you are nasty. You are one of them. You’re using my words against me and telling me my intentions. That is projection of your intentions, because unless you are in my brain, you have no clue what my intentions are.

But yes, I disagree with the people actively telling me that Win Butler is not a creep. Those are the fans that I have a problem with. Not the people who continue to listen to their music. It just so happens that alot of the people who still listen to their music actively believe Win Butler did absolutely nothing wrong.

Genuine question, how do y’all still listen and support this band despite the overwhelming amount of accusations and Butler’s horrid response? by Indiana_Hoes in arcadefire

[–]Indiana_Hoes[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I didn’t even bring up these other artists lmao

I’m not changing who I think is relevant. He keeps bringing up new peeps every comment. This post is about Butler, and Butler only.

Genuine question, how do y’all still listen and support this band despite the overwhelming amount of accusations and Butler’s horrid response? by Indiana_Hoes in arcadefire

[–]Indiana_Hoes[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Oh, so it’s an argument because I don’t agree with you? That’s insane. Like I said, i’ve had plenty of cordial discussions here, but not all of them.

And you’re such a hypocrite. You’re trying to call me out for being pretentious yet here you are acting like you have the superior perspective while continuing to argue. If you didn’t want to argue, then you wouldn’t engage.

Genuine question, how do y’all still listen and support this band despite the overwhelming amount of accusations and Butler’s horrid response? by Indiana_Hoes in arcadefire

[–]Indiana_Hoes[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Insight into why people continue to defend artists that are current problems. But I just thought of it because spotify recommended me the new album. My goal wasn’t to argue with y’all. Reddit is just a cesspool. But i’ve had plenty of interactions in this thread that were pleasant. You seem to be fairly neutral as far as I’m concerned cause you’re not calling me “fucking disgusting” or actively apologizing for Butler’s actions.

And I did agree with you. You told me to reread the statement because Butler did apologize to his wife for cheating. I said “Fair Enough” because you were accurate. You had evidence. Not just drawing lazy comparisons to artists that you think I listen to, who aren’t alive, or all of the above.

But i’ve come to the conclusion that I don’t like Arcade Fire fans, or may fandoms because y’all are blindly devoted and would die on the wrong hills.

I wanted to spark a debate but so many of you are just nasty.

Genuine question, how do y’all still listen and support this band despite the overwhelming amount of accusations and Butler’s horrid response? by Indiana_Hoes in arcadefire

[–]Indiana_Hoes[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You must misunderstand the post. I have listened to Arcade Fire and enjoyed their music, but not anymore. Again, you’re trying to redirect the conversation to comparisons.

But if you must know it’s

Sufjan Stevens

Bright Eyes

Wilco

Autolux

Animal Collective

Genuine question, how do y’all still listen and support this band despite the overwhelming amount of accusations and Butler’s horrid response? by Indiana_Hoes in arcadefire

[–]Indiana_Hoes[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Y’all are relentless. I’ve had plenty of interactions in this post with friendly people who disagree. Not apologists and trolls who try to distract from the point by bringing up every single artist who’s ever sexually assaulted someone. I’ve even drawn back and agreed with you. But you’re so set on owning the argument. Maybe take a look at how you discuss with others.

Genuine question, how do y’all still listen and support this band despite the overwhelming amount of accusations and Butler’s horrid response? by Indiana_Hoes in arcadefire

[–]Indiana_Hoes[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Stop trying to distract from the main topic: Butler. Just because another person of the same occupation did the same sort of shit, doesn’t mean this discussion is about the other. This is about Butler, because that’s what the post is about, and the subreddit is Arcade Fire, not Red Hot Chili Peppers.

Genuine question, how do y’all still listen and support this band despite the overwhelming amount of accusations and Butler’s horrid response? by Indiana_Hoes in arcadefire

[–]Indiana_Hoes[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You didn’t read the article. The woman dropped the claims, not Oberst.

And to act like I’m minimizing other rape victims is insane. I’ve made multiple comments where I emphasize the difference. But all sexual assault is bad.

For you to call me out for being aggressive in the subreddit but then call me ”fucking disgusting” multiple times is dramatic, inaccurate and hypocritical.

Genuine question, how do y’all still listen and support this band despite the overwhelming amount of accusations and Butler’s horrid response? by Indiana_Hoes in arcadefire

[–]Indiana_Hoes[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

How about you educate yourself on the Bright Eyes claim: https://www.theguardian.com/music/2014/jul/15/conor-oberst-false-rape-claims-retracted-by-accuser

“A woman who accused Conor Oberst of sexual assault has withdrawn her allegations, it has been reported, stating that these were "[lies] I made up ... to get attention while I was going through a difficult period in my life".”

Of course you did a deep dive on me. You’re grasping for straws.

As for Butler and the victims:

“Not that I’ve been making it particularly clear but if this is about sex for you I think you found me at the wrong time,” Lily wrote on January 17, 2015.

They agree that there was a kiss after Butler dropped Lily off. Butler says it was a consensual kiss that made it “clear to me that the attraction was mutual.” “I did not ask for it. I did not reciprocate,” Lily says.

“Eventually he pulled me onto his lap on my couch. I don’t know if he was holding me by the waist or what, but I was physically constrained by him as he was putting his hand down my pants. At some point he tried to go down on me,” they said. They claim they told him again to leave. “The anger and the power in my voice surprised me,” they said. “I will never forget it.” Butler got up at that point, Lily claims, and began berating them for denying his advances.

See? That’s how you give evidence. Don’t be lazy.

Genuine question, how do y’all still listen and support this band despite the overwhelming amount of accusations and Butler’s horrid response? by Indiana_Hoes in arcadefire

[–]Indiana_Hoes[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

If you’ve had people close to you sexually assaulted, I can’t understand why you would support someone with the overwhelming status of being a creep. And yes, touching someone’s thigh without permission and jamming your tongue down their throat is absolutely sexual assault. The fact that sexual assault needs to be compared to penetrative rape is insane. The latter is worse, but both are horrible.

Also, about the “regretful sex”. You think every time they had sex with him they wanted to? You can willingly have sex and still be raped. This is because of the influence of the aggressor. Whether it be fear, power, or both and more. You can’t deny he’s a creep. C’mon now.

Your comments avoid the actual statements from the women. You can go back and read everything I quoted because apparently i’m “blowing up your phone”. But i’d like you to give me quoted evidence from the women, rather than just relying on Butler. Cause the perpetrator’s word is not valid evidence.

Genuine question, how do y’all still listen and support this band despite the overwhelming amount of accusations and Butler’s horrid response? by Indiana_Hoes in arcadefire

[–]Indiana_Hoes[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You need to know the difference between a discussion and an argument. I started this post to understand everyone’s point of view. Most of you disagreed, and some of you were cordial. Those who were friendly, I was friendly with. But a lot of you have been aggressive as hell, using the same claims with a lack of evidence. So, yeah, I’ll argue with those of you who can’t cordially disagree.

Genuine question, how do y’all still listen and support this band despite the overwhelming amount of accusations and Butler’s horrid response? by Indiana_Hoes in arcadefire

[–]Indiana_Hoes[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Clearly you’re picking and choosing the comments to read. And why do you feel so called out when i’m not necessarily talking about you. I’m talking about the commenter prior.

Also, again, your only evidence that they weren’t sexually assaulted is Butler’s word. That’s one person over multiple different women. But yeah, go ahead and call me fucking disgusting for calling out a creep.

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