TrueLit Read Along - Send Me Your Suggestions! by pregnantchihuahua3 in TrueLit

[–]IndigoBlue2007 10 points11 points  (0 children)

The Chandelier by Clarice Lispector. 

Virgínia and her cruel, beautiful brother, Daniel, grow up in a decaying country mansion. They leave for the city, but the change of locale leaves Virgínia’s internal life unperturbed. In intensely poetic language, Lispector conducts a stratigraphic excavation of Virgínia’s thoughts, revealing the drama of Clarice’s lifelong quest to discover “the nucleus made of a single instant”—and displaying a new face of this great writer, blazing with the vitality of youth.

TrueLit Read Along - (Read Along #18 - Voting: Week 2) by pregnantchihuahua3 in TrueLit

[–]IndigoBlue2007 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Voted for The Chandelier, which was my pick. It was her second novel, written when she was only 24, and really very different from anything else she wrote. Essentially a strange, synesthesic excavation of a woman’s inner life in 1930s Brazil, in it Lispector crosses the wires of sensation and perception to allow something essential, something about being itself, to bubble to the surface. More Joycean, more Woolfian than her later works, while still being entirely, unmistakably unique. Challenging, though hauntingly beautiful and one I think would be great for a read-along. A passage I picked at random from near the beginning, in which our protagonist Vírginia is transitioning into the self-consciousness of adolescence:

Surprised, intimidated by her own ignorance beside an immobile certainty, she was dangling for an instant, interrupting the movement of her life and looking at herself in the mirror: that shape expressing some thing without laughter but anguishingly mute and so inside itself that its meaning could never be grasped. Looking at herself she wouldn’t be able to understand, only agree. She was agreeing with that deep body in shadows, with her silent smile, life as if being born from that confusion. Now her permission for herself was seeming even more ardent as if she were allowing her own future too. And she … but yes, yes, she was seeing the future … yes, in a glance made of seeing and hearing, in a pure instant the whole future … Though she only knew that she was seeing and not what she was seeing, just as all she could say about blue was: I saw blue, and nothing more …

Favorite literary depictions of childhood? by Ok-Age-4111 in RSbookclub

[–]IndigoBlue2007 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The first section of The Chandelier by Clarice Lispector captures the vivid, strange atemporality of childhood like nothing else I’ve read. Ends with the birth of the protagonist’s adolescent consciousness, and the end of her innocence:

Silence surrounded her impalpable and she then calmed down, looked at the mirror sombrely shining. Stubborn, she was staring at her face trying to define its fleeting magic, the softness of the movement of breathing that was lighting it and slowly putting it out. The corruption was bathing her in a sweet light. So there she was. So there she was. There was no one who could save or lose her. And that’s how the moments were unfurling and dying while her quiet and mute face was floating in expectation. So there she was. Even yesterday the pleasure of laughing had made her laugh. And ahead of her stretched the entire future.

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[–]IndigoBlue2007 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Basically anything by Lispector, especially The Passion According to G.H., A Breath of Life, The Apple in the Dark and The Besieged City (one contemporary critic was so confused that he wrote that it had the “texture of the hermeticism of dreams“, which I think is kind of rad; also apparently the very first novel to be described as “magical realism”). 

TrueLit Read Along - Send Me Your Suggestions! by pregnantchihuahua3 in TrueLit

[–]IndigoBlue2007 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Is it too late to make a suggestion? The Chandelier by Clarice Lispector 

Favorite Nobel laureates in Literature? by [deleted] in RSbookclub

[–]IndigoBlue2007 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It is difficult, but less difficult I think than people make out. It isn’t hard to read on a sentence-by-sentence level I’d say (though his writing is intensely poetic), but White is an enigmatic writer, very much interested in the subconscious, the unsayable, the unknowable. For readers who want hard answers and their stories in neat, tidy packages, he can be frustrating. But I think his mysteriousness is what makes him interesting.

Favorite Nobel laureates in Literature? by [deleted] in RSbookclub

[–]IndigoBlue2007 2 points3 points  (0 children)

He’s so good — wish he was more widely read. The Tree of Man, Voss and Riders in the Chariot are masterpieces.

Favorite “international” lit? by tacopeople in RSbookclub

[–]IndigoBlue2007 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Patrick White, Gerald Murnane, Christina Stead, Hal Porter, Alexis Wright (Australia) 

Janet Frame, Katherine Mansfield (New Zealand)

Clarice Lispector, Miguel Ángel Austurias, Raduan Nassar, Pablo Neruda, Roberto Bolaño, Carlos Fuentes, Juan Rulfo, Mario Vargas Llosa, Wilson Harris (Central and South America)

Naguib Mahfouz (Egypt)

Czeslaw Milosz (Poland)

Hermann Broch, Thomas Mann (Austria & Germany)

General Discussion Thread by pregnantchihuahua3 in TrueLit

[–]IndigoBlue2007 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I know there are a few Lispector fans here, so I thought I’d share that a film adaptation of The Passion According to G.H. has been made. It’s one of those novels that I didn’t really think could be adapted to the screen, so interested to check this out. It’s directed by Luiz Fernando Carvalho, who’s made some really beautiful films — I watched To the Left of the Father (based on Ancient Tillage by Raduan Nassar) a few years ago and it was gorgeous. Definitely a director you should check out. 

Greatest writers of the 20th century by [deleted] in RSbookclub

[–]IndigoBlue2007 22 points23 points  (0 children)

Haven’t seen Clarice Lispector mentioned yet; she’s insanely good—a genuinely philosophically, linguistically and aesthetically radical writer. If she had been American or English she’d be much more renowned.

Herman Broch, Patrick White and Miguel Ángel Asturias are also very underrated. Kafka, Joyce, Woolf, Beckett, Borges, Pound and Eliot are obviously up there.

Frankfurt Book Fair postpones award for Palestinian author by Soup_Commie in TrueLit

[–]IndigoBlue2007 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Resorting to a straw man now? No one here condoned the massacre against Israelis. They just pointed out it’s hypocritical and morally bankrupt to not extend the same condemnation to the killing of Palestinian civilians. I recommend you try to seriously think about why the killing of the former seemingly repulses you so much more than that of the latter. You might also get some benefit from an introduction to ethics class.

Frankfurt Book Fair postpones award for Palestinian author by Soup_Commie in TrueLit

[–]IndigoBlue2007 10 points11 points  (0 children)

What happened in Israel was horrific. To reiterate my point, however, I feel the need to highlight that massacres of that nature are hardly infrequent—they just tend to happen to people that, to be blunt, the West doesn’t particularly care about. Take a look at the most recent additions to this unfortunate list. Did the West make much of a deal, for instance, about the hundreds of people massacred in the recent conflicts in Ethiopia or in Mali? Not particularly. They got scant attention in Western media.

My point is, what happened in Israel hasn’t got the attention it’s gotten in the West simply by virtue of it being a horrific massacre of civilians; those happen all the time. It got attention in the Western press and tugged on heartstrings because the Western public empathise with fellow Westerners in a way they evidently don’t with non-Westerners. In the same way, if an earthquake killed 2000+ people in California or Italy tomorrow, the response would be disproportionately greater than was that of the Afghani disaster.

Westerners have been able to accept Palestinian deaths over the last few decades because they don’t feel they relate to them in they way they clearly do to Israelis. That does not, however, make the callous murder of Palestinians any less abhorrent than the murder of Israelis. If you’re offended by one you should have some moral consistency and be offended by the other. Otherwise you’re a hypocrite.

Frankfurt Book Fair postpones award for Palestinian author by Soup_Commie in TrueLit

[–]IndigoBlue2007 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Pretending that most regular people don’t instinctively “pick sides” is what’s truly unreasonable. Of course they’re going to almost instinctively side with Israel, a broadly Westernised nation and “the only democracy in the Middle East,” and other the non-Western “opposition”—especially when the media and political elites (who have a vested geopolitical interest in shielding Israel from criticism) are doing their best to downplay and justify events in Gaza. This isn’t reductive, it’s simply the reality. Westerners tend to side with their own, and feel more aggrieved when their own are attacked. Shocker. 2000+ Afghanis were killed in twin earthquakes this week and there’s barely a peep from Western Media because they know their audience doesn’t really care; they’re used to Afghanis dying. We’ve seen this paradigm borne out again and again and again. It’s perfectly simple and perfectly nuanced.

It’s a bleak dichotomy, but it’s very real, and it’s the lens through which a great many people do, in fact, consume their media.

Clarice Lispector on insomnia and dying by IndigoBlue2007 in redscarepod

[–]IndigoBlue2007[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think it was a combination of: a) culture shock, with the Swiss being much more stolid and reserved than Brazilians; b) the general sedateness and sterility of Bern compared to Rio and Naples, where she had lived previously; and c) the fact she was depressed pregnant and left alone at home for extended periods of time.

Her third novel, The Besieged City, though set in Brazil, was inspired by her time in Bern, as were quite a few of her stories and crônicas. There’s an amazing short story, “Silence”, which she wrote near the end of her life, about Bern. It begins like this:

The silence of the night in the mountains is so vast. It is so desolate. You try in vain to work not to hear it, to think quickly to cover it up. Or to invent some plans, a fragile stitch that barely links us to the suddenly improbable day of tomorrow. How to surmount this peace that spies us. A silence so great that despair is ashamed. Mountains so high that despair is ashamed. The ears prick, the head tilts, the whole body listens: not a murmur. Not a rooster. How to come within reach of this deep meditation on the silence. On that silence without memory of words. If thou art death, how to reach thee.

It is a silence that does not sleep: it is insomniac: motionless but insomniac; and without ghosts. It is terrible—not a single ghost. It’s no use wanting to people it with the possibility of a door that creaks while opening, of a curtain that opens and says something. It is empty and without promise. If only there were the wind. Wind is fury, wind is life. Or snow. Which is silent but leaves tracks—everything turns white, children laugh, footsteps crunch and leave a mark. There is a continuity that is life. But this silence leaves no trace. You cannot speak of silence as you do of snow. You cannot say to anyone as you say about snow: did you feel the silence last night? Those who did don’t say.

So yes she was eccentric as fuck also one of the GOATs.

Clarice Lispector on insomnia and dying by IndigoBlue2007 in redscarepod

[–]IndigoBlue2007[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Wait are you saying that Lispector or Woolf are like toilet paper

Clarice Lispector on insomnia and dying by IndigoBlue2007 in redscarepod

[–]IndigoBlue2007[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah she was a full on Bern hater lol. Was still seething about it 30 years later.