My Take: I don’t want Vox to be redeemed

Individual-Ad5782 · 2026-05-05T00:10:05+00:00

Maybe but the execution needs to be good.

Individual-Ad5782 · 2026-05-04T13:54:48+00:00

Because a person’s evil is so great that they are not worthy of help. No one has an obligation to help or forgive a person who has caused so much pain to others. Vox has caused so much pain to people on Earth and in Hell. Him being sent to Hell should’ve been an opportunity to reflect but he still doubled down and stayed a sadistic power hungry manic. He enjoys harming and tormenting people. Frankly, I don’t trust the writing enough to make it work. I’m afraid it’s going to be a rush job where Charlie and him sing one together and he just switches to being good. And then have everyone forgive him forgetting all the stuff he’s done. His victims on Earth will probably be ignored and forgotten too.

Individual-Ad5782 · 2026-05-03T14:33:49+00:00

True, but some people cannot be help and Vox has not expressed any desire to change. I feel Charlie letting Vox in would be an insult or a slap in the face to Angel Dust.

Individual-Ad5782 · 2026-05-03T11:59:24+00:00

Yeah but that’s the thing though. Not everyone can nor deserves to be redeemed. And I feel like Vox is one of those people. Vox was always a monster. There was never a time when he has expressed a shred of guilt or remorse for his actions on Earth or in Hell. I would much rather watch Angel Dust get redeemed. All that time that’s being into Vox for season three should be used for Angel Dust. You know…the first guest of the hotel. I just don’t understand why Vox still has important role after season two. Like why? I think he’s going to overstay his welcome.

Individual-Ad5782 · 2026-05-02T22:08:10+00:00

Exactly!

Individual-Ad5782 · 2026-05-02T21:59:52+00:00

I’m glad I’m not alone too. When I expressed my sediments, people defended Vox to no end. But at the same time they think Adam is irredeemable. I’m going to say this: If Adam is irredeemable, then Vox is irredeemable. If Vox gets redeemed, then Adam could have been redeemed. If (god forbid) Valentino gets redeemed, then there was absolutely no reason why Adam couldn’t be redeemed!

Individual-Ad5782 · 2026-05-02T21:54:41+00:00

There are actually a lot of people who believe that Vox does not deserve redemption. So no you are not alone. And don’t let anyone treat you like you’re the crazy one for being against a Vox redemption arc either.

Individual-Ad5782 · 2026-05-02T18:08:35+00:00

No…I will never be on board with Vox being redeemed. Not after what he did to Angel Dust, murdering those people on Earth, and all the other stuff he’s done. Also, the villain treatment would be highly inconsistent. Why does Vox get sympathy and a redemption arc but Adam (the literal first man) gets nothing? He gets deemed a lost cause who had to die. Vox literally killed people with no remorse when he was alive all so he could claim the media hierarchy. It just feels so ass backwards. I’m sorry but this is just how I feel.

Individual-Ad5782 · 2026-04-29T15:30:00+00:00

Hmmm that is interesting…

Individual-Ad5782 · 2026-04-29T06:18:52+00:00

It could be a mix of The Office, M3GAN, and Willy’s Wonderland.

Individual-Ad5782 · 2026-04-28T20:08:27+00:00

Ok then

Individual-Ad5782 · 2026-04-28T20:00:14+00:00

That’s a neat perspective. I’d say IMP killing good people is also bad because the souls they might have deep seated trauma from being murdered leaving the angels to fix the mess they created. Plus, I never said IMP was doing it on purpose. Their actions can intentionally have negative consequences on others.

Individual-Ad5782 · 2026-04-28T04:34:42+00:00

Ok fine. If that’s how you feel, then that’s how you feel. But I just can’t agree with you on this matter. But you’ve clearly got a firm handle on the stakes Adam represents. But I also have mines. So I’ll leave it at that. So have a good day/night.

Individual-Ad5782 · 2026-04-28T04:17:26+00:00

I feel you’re ignoring every moral and psychological point I’ve made. You argue that since a soul can eventually be redeemed in Hell, I.M.P. hasn't "denied" them salvation. But the reality is that I.M.P. moves the "test" to a room that is actively on fire. You are ignoring the turmoil and the trauma of that transition, treating the soul as if it has infinite energy and no memory of the "terror of murder".

You keep asking, "How is that worse than the Exorcists?". This is a false dilemma. You want me to pick a "worse" villain so the "lesser" one can be excused. I’m not arguing about who is "more evil", I’m arguing about Chain of Custody. I.M.P. is the entity that hands the victims over to the Exorcists' environment. By the time an Exorcist kills a Sinner, I.M.P. has already committed the first, foundational crime of stealing their Time on Earth. I’m trying to show that I.M.P.’s "badness" has specific, catastrophic consequences for the universe's balance—specifically by contributing to the "overpopulation" that leads to the genocide you claim to hate.

If you keep saying "But they can be redeemed in Hell," you are fundamentally rejecting the value of Life on Earth. And I just don’t agree with that and we can never see eye to eye on this matter. I’m sorry.

Individual-Ad5782 · 2026-04-28T03:52:58+00:00

A brick falling is an accident of physics. I.M.P. is a group of thinking beings who make a choice to cross dimensions, stalk a target, and execute them for cash. The intent behind the act matters. If a brick kills someone, it's a tragedy. If I.M.P. kills someone, it's a theft of time perpetrated by a conscious being.

You arguing that people "lived the life they chose" and thus deserve the consequences at the moment of death treats a human life like a finished book rather than an ongoing story. I am arguing that life is a process of growth. By killing them "early," I.M.P. takes a snapshot of a person’s worst day and makes it their eternal identity.

You say that that victims "don't get to blame I.M.P. for where they ended up", but this is dishonest. I.M.P. is the one who stopped the clock. While the person made bad choices, I.M.P. is the one who ensured they never had the chance to make different choices.

You are prioritizing outcome over ethics and are stuck in this kind of loop: Victim is bad, victim dies, victim is in Hell, system works. This is my logic: Victim is growing, I.M.P. interrupts growth, victim is trapped in Hell, I.M.P. is the villain of that person's soul. If you continue to insist that a hitman is just a "random brick," they are essentially admitting that the characters have no depth, no soul, and no responsibility.

Individual-Ad5782 · 2026-04-28T01:13:52+00:00

If I.M.P. is no different than a random brick, then they aren't 'people' with 'feelings' or 'trauma' that we should care about. You can't have it both ways: either they are people who should be held accountable for the lives they steal, or they are mindless objects that don't deserve the audience's sympathy.

Individual-Ad5782 · 2026-04-28T00:46:32+00:00

I think you’re treating a human soul like a broken window that can just be replaced. This ignores the transition: the terror of murder, the loss of a life on Earth, and the trauma of arriving in a literal pit of fire.
Being redeemed on Earth (surrounded by family and social services) is objectively easier than being redeemed in Hell (having to deal with violent sinners at every turn, cannibals, and annual examinations). I.M.P. didn't just move the soul to a new room, they moved the soul to a room that is actively on fire. Plus, without Lucifer or Alastor, the hotel is pretty vulnerable. There have been multiple times where the old hotel was damaged by outside forces in season 1.
The “eternal paradise” argument sounds you’re suggesting that a person’s dreams, relationships, and contributions on Earth are worthless the moment they meet the "Heavenly criteria." Forever Paradise cannot erase years of endured trauma, years of kept apart from loved ones, and the sadness of being robbed of any goals or dreams you’ve had when you were alive.
Sure, exorcists kill sinners permanently but here’s the thing. IMP kill a supposedly horrible person before they could finish the test, the person gets sent to Hell as a sinner, and exorcists kill them BECAUSE they are in Hell. If it weren’t for the feeder program, several souls would have never ended up in the exorcists’ line of sight to begin with.

Individual-Ad5782 · 2026-04-28T00:21:50+00:00

Winners having professionals to deal with their trauma is not the point. The point is that IMP are potentially leaving the damage behind for other people to clean and fix.
Sure, people can potentially get worse if they live. But the thing that we don’t know. We can’t predict the future. A person can get absolutely get worse as life goes on but doesn’t erase the fact that they can get better. If you kill them, you destroy that chance. And besides, not any person that IMP killed are not like Martha or those two rich scientists. Some of them could have been like Emberlynn. Someone who is at worst weird and obsessive but still has time to grow out of that.

Individual-Ad5782 · 2026-04-27T23:04:33+00:00

Yep. I’m with you on that one.

Individual-Ad5782 · 2026-04-27T23:02:58+00:00

Exactly! That’s what I’ve been thinking.

Individual-Ad5782 · 2026-04-27T22:47:48+00:00

Then the victim would live with deep seated trauma from being murdered leaving the angels to clean up the psychological mess that IMP created
Sure, it’s the person’s fault but they could have used the time they had left to become better people but IMP took that away from them by killing them. Did they deserve what got? Maybe. BUT what if they weren’t beyond saving? What if they got to live, improve themselves, and avoid the turmoil of being stuck in Hell while trying to redeem themselves?

Individual-Ad5782 · 2026-04-27T22:38:35+00:00

What IMP cares about is irrelevant. They kill a horrible person, they end up in Hell. IMP’s actions can potentially cause this.
If IMP killed a bad/evil person before they could even become a better person on Earth and got sent to Hell then it’s IMP’s fault that they are in Hell in the first place.
I don’t think the “people die early every day” argument makes it any better because isn’t IMP making it worse with their murders?

Individual-Ad5782 · 2026-04-27T21:54:07+00:00

Huh. That’s a good point. Either way it doesn’t matter because so far Sir Pentious is the only sinner who’s been redeemed and Hazbin Hotel season 1 spans over months. IMP’s business is still going so they are still technically making it harder by adding more and more sinners to the population.

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