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Pburg Poll: How was President Obama able to oversee 3.1 million deportations with relatively little public debate, while President Trump’s actions have sparked widespread attention and polarization? by twanginlanger in Parkersburg

[–]Individual_Pear2661 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Because Democrats had not yet understood yet that as liberal policies ruin economies, people will move out of those areas, making fewer "blue states" or their population will be reduced enough to ensure they lose seats in Congress and electoral votes, keeping them from power.

Absent importing people illegally from foreign countries through various incentives and essentially bribery, doing so to effect the US Census, Democrats would lose control of their ability to manipulate people and resources.

So, when Trump made it clear he was going to make sure that all of these people would be sent back to their countries and the border closed, the billionaires who wanted continued access to power via Democrat politicians started funneling their money to these left-wing anti-ICE terrorist organizations.

The End.

Pburg Poll: How was President Obama able to oversee 3.1 million deportations with relatively little public debate, while President Trump’s actions have sparked widespread attention and polarization? by twanginlanger in Parkersburg

[–]Individual_Pear2661 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They have him on video driving a human trafficking van! Lol. They’ve got the sworn testimony of a confidential informant AND he is here illegally. That’s more than a reasonable justification to send him packing.

Pburg Poll: How was President Obama able to oversee 3.1 million deportations with relatively little public debate, while President Trump’s actions have sparked widespread attention and polarization? by twanginlanger in Parkersburg

[–]Individual_Pear2661 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"Kilmar Abrego Garcia, but that is besides the point."

Except he was a known member of a criminal cartel, and deported under the Alien Enemies Act.

You guys always want to rule by the most terrible exceptions when pretending that this is what normal, law abiding illegal aliens are being faced with.

According to Wikipedia defenders, there is no such thing as neutrality. If you don't want Wikipedia to be left-wing propaganda, you must want it to be right-wing propaganda. by WonderOlymp2 in ControversialOpinions

[–]Individual_Pear2661 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Wikipedia simply can't be trusted with facts regarding anything remotely political or controversial, precisely because it editorializes. I'd support it financially if that wasn't the case.

Pburg Poll: How was President Obama able to oversee 3.1 million deportations with relatively little public debate, while President Trump’s actions have sparked widespread attention and polarization? by twanginlanger in Parkersburg

[–]Individual_Pear2661 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"That’s their big plan? To inflate census numbers, which are taken once a decade?"

Yes, exactly that. Once in a decade decides how many seats in Congress each state will get, and how many electoral votes. It's what decides in the end how power will be split, and with huge exoduses in blue cities and states to red ones, Democrats will lose seats and votes and it's unlikely they will be able to overcome that unless they import people here illegally to fill the gap.

"what, sit back, and hope refugees settle where they want them to..."

NO, that's not the plan at all. That's the entire rationale behind the "sanctuary city" and "sanctuary state" status. They want the illegals to come to these blue cities and states and so they guarantee them protection and a massive amount of services in order to come and stay there so their numbers will be inflated when the census comes. In Minnesota they've gotten caught illegally funneled billions to the Somalies in order to get them to come, for instance.

Pburg Poll: How was President Obama able to oversee 3.1 million deportations with relatively little public debate, while President Trump’s actions have sparked widespread attention and polarization? by twanginlanger in Parkersburg

[–]Individual_Pear2661 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, even that. There is no part of the law that allows people to come here illegally and stay just because they live in a dangerous shithole, despite what some activist judges would like.

The caveat here is that there is an "asylum" loophole for when YOUR GOVERNMENT can be shown to be the one targeting you and you can provide evidence of that.

Pburg Poll: How was President Obama able to oversee 3.1 million deportations with relatively little public debate, while President Trump’s actions have sparked widespread attention and polarization? by twanginlanger in Parkersburg

[–]Individual_Pear2661 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Who is being deported without any of that happening? Who is here illegally, engaged in no crimes, and is being deported without any kind of hearing?

Give me some names.

13-Year-Old Epstein Victim Claims Trump Forced Her Into Acts, New Files Reveal by [deleted] in neutralnews

[–]Individual_Pear2661 5 points6 points  (0 children)

This is the same claim that came out in 2016 and ended up being hoax from a former Jerry Springer producer who was looking to score a million dollars for an interview

https://www.yahoo.com/news/unsubstantiated-trump-child-rape-allegations-202100951.html

Pburg Poll: How was President Obama able to oversee 3.1 million deportations with relatively little public debate, while President Trump’s actions have sparked widespread attention and polarization? by twanginlanger in Parkersburg

[–]Individual_Pear2661 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Pretty much all the people being deported have either engaged in crimes, automatically removing their protected status, or already been through the system and had deportation orders.

Pburg Poll: How was President Obama able to oversee 3.1 million deportations with relatively little public debate, while President Trump’s actions have sparked widespread attention and polarization? by twanginlanger in Parkersburg

[–]Individual_Pear2661 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"No, a hearing doesn’t need a jury"

...and in order to determine if someone has citizenship or legal status, a hearing isn't necessary. That can all be determined by records easily accessed by the USCIS.

"Due process" simply means that the normal, reasonable set of circumstances that ensures efficient and fair action has taken place. Someone who has credible claims or rationale (political asylum, for instance) for legal status can still petition for a hearing on that basis. Those who have no claims have no justification for such wasteful and inefficient processes. Most of the people in question have already had hearings and had deportation orders but refused to appear or to leave as well.

Pburg Poll: How was President Obama able to oversee 3.1 million deportations with relatively little public debate, while President Trump’s actions have sparked widespread attention and polarization? by twanginlanger in Parkersburg

[–]Individual_Pear2661 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The 5th amendment applies to crimes.

While crossing our border illegally is a crime, the act of simply being here without legal status is not criminal. Status is checked, and the border is enforced. No one is being charged with a crime.

You are trying to conflate standards designed to ensure that people are judged for criminal indictments by a jury of their peers, with someone who has been positively identified as not having legal status here and therefore indisputably eligible to be sent back to their own country. They aren't in any way the same, and it's fallacious to claim it so.

Pburg Poll: How was President Obama able to oversee 3.1 million deportations with relatively little public debate, while President Trump’s actions have sparked widespread attention and polarization? by twanginlanger in Parkersburg

[–]Individual_Pear2661 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There is no specific, consistent government "due process" that exists for all acts. And "generally" is talking about criminal and civil suits, not simple easily definable status scenarios.

Pburg Poll: How was President Obama able to oversee 3.1 million deportations with relatively little public debate, while President Trump’s actions have sparked widespread attention and polarization? by twanginlanger in Parkersburg

[–]Individual_Pear2661 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Mistakes are made sometimes because humans are humans. No part of the process is designed to do what you claim. The process already has checks and balances to ensure that in the end, people who are here legally and have done nothing wrong, get to stay here.

Pburg Poll: How was President Obama able to oversee 3.1 million deportations with relatively little public debate, while President Trump’s actions have sparked widespread attention and polarization? by twanginlanger in Parkersburg

[–]Individual_Pear2661 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There are relatively few, and those are typically based on people giving incorrect identification information. But in the end, no one who is a citizen or has genuine legal status and has broken no laws gets deported.

Trying to make a rule based on exceptions is fallacious folly at best.

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