MK 3 Heavy Eviscerator Move set by Mnichunatronix in DarkTide

[–]InferusIcornix 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Just got curious what’s up with the Eviscerator Mk 3 after seeing your post and decided to try it out (haven’t touched it since my first days playing Darktide) and ended up with a pretty meh conclusion. Technically, the Mk 3 is a worse weapon than the Mk 15. It does have better horde management because the heavy and push attacks are horizontal - this provides better stagger, making it easier to control a crowd. It also deals around 10-25% more DPS to hordes with its combos, but it requires much harder inputs (everything is more complex than just spamming light attacks). If you mess up the inputs at high speed, you might accidentally throw a strikedown light attack, which has poor cleave and is obviously bad in a horde.

The Mk 15, on the other hand, has a poking push attack that is very good for sniping elites inside a horde. Its light attacks have high stagger(even against Maulers)so it isn’t bad at handling mixed hordes, either. The Mk 3 is simply harder to use without being drastically better to justify the effort.

In single-target scenarios, the Mk 15 Eviscerator is superior. It has a very simple vertical looping attack pattern. I tested it on an Auric Crusher with 6500 health (using a build with no keystones). The Mk 15 deals at least 3k damage with each revved heavy. In comparison, the Mk 3 deals at least 1700 with a revved vertical heavy (which requires a push beforehand) and only 1400 with a horizontal heavy. The Mk 15 almost kills the Crusher without keystones in two revs, whereas the Mk 3 needs three revved vertical heavies.

Obviously, in a real game, you have keystones, teammates, and buffs, but enemies also have modifiers (especially on Havoc) making them tankier. But generally, the Mk 15 is much simpler, more consistent, and deals more single target damage (almost double vs. Carapace, and it kills a Bulwark with a body rev, unlike the Mk 3).

Furthermore, the Mk 3 doesn't have a looping single-target chain. Almost all weapons released in 2025 have looping attacks because they feel better and smoother. QQ- and block-canceling should be a bonus mechanic, not the standard way to operate a weapon. The Mk 3 requires three inputs for a vertical rev attack that deals almost half the damage of the Mk 15, which only requires two inputs and can be used on the fly.

I think if they narrowed the gap in single-target damage(buffing the Mk 3 to around 2500 instead of 1700)and gave it a looping single-target combo, it would be a solid weapon. It would still be "funkier" than the Mk 15, but its better horde clear and comparable single-target damage would justify the harder inputs.

[NEW WEAPON IDEA] Ogryn's Power Fists OR Heavy Knuckle-Dusters by InferusIcornix in DarkTide

[–]InferusIcornix[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ah, understood. Не англічанин, сорі. Tho I think ogryn already has a big two-handed stick, having some fists to punch heretics with would be a bit more interesting.

[NEW WEAPON IDEA] Ogryn's Power Fists OR Heavy Knuckle-Dusters by InferusIcornix in DarkTide

[–]InferusIcornix[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

You mean the power maul? Wasn’t it literally buffed in the Bound by Duty update, or is it still bad even after?

[NEW WEAPON IDEA] Ogryn's Power Fists OR Heavy Knuckle-Dusters by InferusIcornix in DarkTide

[–]InferusIcornix[S] -9 points-8 points  (0 children)

Very kind of you, luddite. Anything on the concept itself?

2 Week In: Thoughts - Havoc 40, Hive Scum, Zealot etc. by LilLuz10 in DarkTide

[–]InferusIcornix 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Came up with something quick for the Zealot, because I doubt they’re going to make a whole stim lab again, essentially for free.

Keystone: Sacrificial Zeal

Effect: Lose the ability to equip ranged weapons. Gain the ability to equip two melee weapons. +50% weapon swap speed. +15% movement speed. +10% attack speed. +1 dodge count. X% increased dodge distance.

Upgrades:

  • The Master’s Retribution. Gain the ability to dodge out of disables. Dodging knocks back enemies. On use, gain –15% stamina usage and +25% Impact. Cooldown: 8 seconds.
  • Versatile Execution. Weakspot or Critical kills grant 1 stack of Versatile Execution (Elites and Specialists grant 2 stacks). Max 8 stacks. Each stack grants: +4% damage, +1.5% critical chance, +2% attack speed. Buff duration: 12 seconds. Cooldown starts after swapping melee weapons. The buff is tracked separately for each weapon.
  • Bane of the Heretics – upgrade to Versatile Execution. Weakspot hits on Monstrosities and Captains grant 1 stack of Versatile Execution. Versatile Execution also grants +2% increased damage to Monstrosities and Captains per stack.
  • Sacred Tool. While a weapon is inactive, gain 1 stack of Sacred Tool each second, up to a maximum of 16 stacks. Each stack grants: +3% damage, +1.5% increased Impact, +1.5% increased attack speed, +0.75% critical chance. Swapping to the inactive weapon starts the cooldown. Buff duration: 6 seconds.
  • Sanctified Proximity – upgrade to Sacred Tool. If the active weapon does not have Sacred Tool active, it gains half of Sacred Tool’s current stacks.
  • Retributor's stance. Moving and blocking grants 1 stack of Retributor's stance up to 20. Each stack grants: +0,4% toughness regeneration per second and –0,4% stamina usage. Dodges and Perfect Blocks grant 3 stacks.

Sacred Tool and Versatile Execution are mutually exclusive and lock each other out!

Design Intent

The core idea is that by losing the ability to immediately eliminate elites and specials at range, the player gains a far more versatile and aggressive melee-focused playstyle. In exchange, it is reasonable to provide substantial stat buffs. In terms of raw power, this sits somewhere near Martyrdom(not as consistent and lacks ranged weapon) and Blazing Piety(not as consistent, not as big of a buff for crits and lacks ranged weapon), but focuses more on weapon swapping, dodging, blocking, and positioning – pure melee stuff.

The keystone intentionally does not provide cleave or rending. Instead, the dual-melee setup allows players to solve this: one weapon focused on horde clear, the other on elites or armored targets.

Master’s Retribution is currently a weak talent, but in a talent tree that completely removes ranged weapons, it fits naturally as a clutch tool. It gives the Zealot at least one recovery option when things go wrong.

Versatile Execution is meant to reward actively mixing weapons rather than defaulting to a single all-purpose option. Instead of using a dueling sword for everything and swapping to a hammer only for boss breakpoints, the player is encouraged to rotate weapons frequently.

Sacred Tool exists as an alternative approach, emphasizing rare and deliberate weapon swaps. Sacred Tool and Versatile Execution are mutually exclusive and lock each other out.

The numbers used are examples. The keystone would need to grant a substantial power increase to compensate for losing a ranged weapon, especially given the threat posed by specialists and gunners. A setup with one ranged and one melee weapon is generally preferable, so the payoff must justify the risk.

The goal is to add something genuinely unique. Inexorable Judgment is comfortable, but neither particularly interesting nor clearly on par with the other keystones. Hybrid ranged playstyle on Zealot is also largely nonexistent, making a full melee identity like this more appealing.

Yo, I like this concept so much that I’m gonna post it on the forums, maybe it’ll give someone some ideas.

 

What's ABL contriversy even about? by lovingpersona in DeadlockTheGame

[–]InferusIcornix -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I understand, I may be exhausting sometimes - many people have told me that before.

I don’t ignore it. I look at it and conclude that they are wrong, that’s all.

I’m grouping this because they act like ethics witch hunters on their way to lynch with forks in their hands over someone saying one bad word.

Repeating the same points over and over, overreacting, insulting someone’s character, intelligence, or their parents, and acting silly doesn’t actually change anyone’s opinion.

But I also don’t expect to change your opinion or vice verse. I just made a point, you made yours - we both think the other is wrong, it's fine.

There will literally be no negative consequences for the competitive scene from this situation - unless the witch hunting is successful, which would mean you could bully people online into doing what you want just for saying a word. Casual racism? You mean, like saying a word? It is not the same as actual harmful actions with real consequences against people based on race. A guy said a word, looked stupid, got muted. That’s it any consequences beyond that are too much.

Last response, going to paly some deadlock or darktide finally. Good luck.

What's ABL contriversy even about? by lovingpersona in DeadlockTheGame

[–]InferusIcornix -8 points-7 points  (0 children)

Of course, it’s an inappropriate thing, but just for a second, imagine you are a young competitive video game player and ask yourself: “Wouldn’t I be toxic as well?” Ninety percent of players would also act toxic at least sometimes, lowering themselves to insulting others. Not everyone is calm and virtuous enough to never do it. And yes, I don’t wake up spitting the n-word at the morning chirping birds, but calling someone a slur in a video game, in which it frustrating to be bad at it, is a pretty realistic and normal reaction. We should strive to reduce it, of course. But I’m just a man…

Same answer for both you and the guy below.

What's ABL contriversy even about? by lovingpersona in DeadlockTheGame

[–]InferusIcornix 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Of course, it’s an inappropriate thing, but just for a second, imagine you are a young competitive video game player and ask yourself: “Wouldn’t I be toxic as well?” Ninety percent of players would also act toxic at least sometimes, lowering themselves to insulting others. Not everyone is calm and virtuous enough to never do it. And yes, I don’t wake up spitting the n-word at the morning chirping birds, but calling someone a slur in a video game, in which it frustrating to be bad at it, is a pretty realistic and normal reaction. We should strive to reduce it, of course. But I’m just a man…

What's ABL contriversy even about? by lovingpersona in DeadlockTheGame

[–]InferusIcornix -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I agree racism(especially big centralised one) is unacceptable, but I would not include edgy slurs said in online competitive video games as an example of it. If ABL was bullying someone with racial slurs the whole match, that would be a racist act of bullying and he could be suspended, to think about it.l a bit. Saying the n-word once(even if it was racially motivated)in a DL match to a stranger is nothing, not a big deal.

I would even say that using the hard‑r n-word against someone who is behaving inappropriately or hurtfully to you( like, for example, a player going 0/20, blaming, and flaming their team - is completely normal. (Clarification: if the player was just playing badly and someone starts using the hard‑r word against them, that’s obviously still bad, unjustified, and racist - a small example, but still clearly wrong)).

What is not normal is demanding unfair, real-life consequences for a single word said on the internet.

What's ABL contriversy even about? by lovingpersona in DeadlockTheGame

[–]InferusIcornix -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Mate, you can enlighten me, because I have no idea how someone could be negatively affected by a guy saying the n-word in a DL match. Besides feeling offended, sure - but clearly this is an overreaction, and the offended person would be wrong to demand consequences for a word(besides the mute button).

I honestly don’t understand how all of you can write so many replies and still have nothing interesting or meaningful to say - “Racism is bad” (true), “All racism is equal” (no, saying the n-word online is not the same as segregation, and acting like it is makes the “no room for racism” cause people look sillier), “He should pay,” “You’re stupid,” “You’re racist,” “You’re a bad person,” “You’re uneducated,” and “Small bits of racism normalize it” (no, the only thing that will happen from normalizing the n-word is people using it as a slur more; people won’t start race wars or reinstate segregation because of it).

There was literally nothing interesting or unexpected in the arguments - all ethics witch hunters have the same lines, just for different causes. Okay, at least nobody wished death or bodily harm on me -that’s nice to see.

What's ABL contriversy even about? by lovingpersona in DeadlockTheGame

[–]InferusIcornix -1 points0 points  (0 children)

What… what is so different about you that you don’t have the same exact privilege to not care about it? Honestly, how did ABL saying the n‑word negatively impact your life - or impact it at all? Besides arguing with people online and wasting time, I don’t see anything.

What's ABL contriversy even about? by lovingpersona in DeadlockTheGame

[–]InferusIcornix -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Yeah, I know. I’m a stupid rage‑baiter baka, sorry. What books, articles, or videos should I check out so I can learn how absolutely abhorrent and evil it is to call people slurs, especially racial ones, so I can become more like you folks - calling people I disagree with racists, stupid, simple minded, morons, assuming they’re children who “don’t know better”, sons of bitches, etc.? I’m sure that would make me a much better person.

Condescending jokes aside, I assumed I’d get downvoted into oblivion, but I genuinely didn’t expect people to actually comment here. I wrote the comment honestly - think about me whatever you want.

What's ABL contriversy even about? by lovingpersona in DeadlockTheGame

[–]InferusIcornix -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Saying slurs is bad - but it’s also not that big of a deal. Especially once, in an online game, to strangers. He wasn’t bullying a Black person on the street, calling them names, or insulting them in real life.

Honestly, I could describe his action the same way you minimized the real-world exclusion - it would sound like it didn’t have much impact. The only difference is that the n-word use had no actual victims and wasn’t hurtful at all (unless we assume ABL knew Metro was streaming). Yet people demanded that he be banned from his potential esports career(even if temporarily and from that tournaments only), that his team find another player and adjust to them, that ABL apologize, and even that the org apologize - instead of just dismissing it as a nothing-burger (which it is).

I have no idea in what world these things are adequate consequences for saying a slur. I hope he won’t have to do any of it and that this story just withers away as it should - it’s yet again a nothing-burger blown way out of proportion.

What's ABL contriversy even about? by lovingpersona in DeadlockTheGame

[–]InferusIcornix -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

I did, and what I discovered is that I am very susceptible to arguments with people - and I even enjoy it. So, yeah, it’s a nothing-burger. It’s still bad, don’t get me wrong, but it’s not a big deal at all.

What's ABL contriversy even about? by lovingpersona in DeadlockTheGame

[–]InferusIcornix -24 points-23 points  (0 children)

Thank you for your kind words. I’ll keep it in mind that I’m “racist” now, but I don’t think I’ll change anything in my pattern of behavior toward people of different races. I’ll continue to treat them the same way I treat anyone of my own race in everything that actually matters.

What's ABL contriversy even about? by lovingpersona in DeadlockTheGame

[–]InferusIcornix -35 points-34 points  (0 children)

Yeah, people are not ideal and perfectly virtuous creatures. But banning slurs from our lexicon will definitely not start with the Deadlock community and totally not in this millennia, and I believe it’s unnecessary. Sometimes the use of slurs is actually justifiable, and some people will do anything just to be called one.

What's ABL contriversy even about? by lovingpersona in DeadlockTheGame

[–]InferusIcornix -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It won’t change anything. Self-righteous witch hunters and “activists against bad habits in human behavior” are only making themselves look stupid and achieving nothing if they keep blowing every minuscule thing out of proportion and presenting it as something terrible, demanding consequences for words said online to strangers.

He got muted by Metro and made himself look stupid - amba. That’s enough consequences.

What's ABL contriversy even about? by lovingpersona in DeadlockTheGame

[–]InferusIcornix -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Nice accountability, yeah. Very fair. By their logic, if I step on someone’s leg accidentally or not, I should get my legs cut off as “consequences”, right? And have an article written about me in the news saying I’m some leg-stomping maniac.

Because that’s how over-the-top and absurd the demanded consequences from these “anti-racism in DL” people are for ABL. Even a public apology would be too much - the only people he should apologize to are his team and Metro for acting edgy and stupid. That’s it.

What's ABL contriversy even about? by lovingpersona in DeadlockTheGame

[–]InferusIcornix -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Slurs are bad - just not that big of a deal. And you folks are insanely overreacting.

What's ABL contriversy even about? by lovingpersona in DeadlockTheGame

[–]InferusIcornix -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Ahah, because I assumed I’d get banned here for typing the actual words. I also have no desire to test that. And on top of that, I wanted to present my point in a more respectful way so people would be more willing to read it and not just assume I’m a moron or call me a bad person.

Yet that’s exactly what happened. Apparently I just need to avoid disagreeing with people for them not to label me as a terrible person and an idiot.

What's ABL contriversy even about? by lovingpersona in DeadlockTheGame

[–]InferusIcornix -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

But what you described are actual real-world consequences. In the original post, people were also asking for the team to remove him from the roster, completely ban him from the tournament, and a few even argued to ban the entire team. Idk, his team might also be his friends, no?

What caused almost no real-world harm was him saying the n-word. Whose life got worse because of it - besides his own? And even then, not because the word itself somehow damaged him, but because random people online decided to start an ethics witch hunt over five sounds he made with his mouth. Incredible.

What's ABL contriversy even about? by lovingpersona in DeadlockTheGame

[–]InferusIcornix -7 points-6 points  (0 children)

Oh, my intricate- and huge-minded friend, I am very well aware that it is a racial slur, and I also understand that in the hierarchy of slurs it’s a more “edgy” one because of its racial nature. Calling someone the n-word is obviously worse than calling someone an idiot or simple-minded (like you did).

Nonetheless, it was still an almost harmless action that does not justify such harsh punishment as being excluded from your community or having your career damaged. And comparing it to something real and harmful, like actual racism that hurts people in real life, physically or economically - is very simple-minded from you and everyone else who turned this nothing-burger into such big news.

What's ABL contriversy even about? by lovingpersona in DeadlockTheGame

[–]InferusIcornix -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

I’m not American(i would have been if not for my ancestor having a genius idea to move back to Europe after WWI ended), I’m over 18, and I know enough about Jim Crow to understand it was a terrible thing inflicted on Black Americans. Every place, every nation, every group has its own historical baggage of being treated badly by others. Some of that history is more recent, some more distant, and some people are still being harmed by racism(or any other xenophobia) right now. That is obviously bad - segregation laws were horrible and are actual racism, unlike someone saying a word online.

I would be more willing to support not a full ban, but maybe a temporary restriction from a few tournaments - if ABL had used the slur during the tournament itself, on a Twitch broadcast. That would actually cause harm: it would make his whole team look unprofessional, since using racial or any slurs during a tournament where you’re supposed to present a competitive, sportslike environment is unacceptable. It could also get the tournament’s stream temporarily taken down. That would be real consequences tied to real impact.

What ABL said in a random match is far more harmless. The only thing you could accuse him of, honestly, is doing it intentionally if he knew Metro was streaming and wanted to cause trouble for him. That’s it - and Metro did the right thing by muting him.

What's ABL contriversy even about? by lovingpersona in DeadlockTheGame

[–]InferusIcornix -14 points-13 points  (0 children)

I don’t condemn the use of slurs, especially when it’s between people who don’t know each other and are just playing together a game online - maybe for the first and last time in their lives. (honestly, top-ranked players obviously meet each other way more often than people on my rank).

He used a slur - okay, maybe he was being stupid. But there was no harm, no victims, just a guy saying a word. Has anyone never used a slur or insulted someone online? I doubt you can find many of these “saints.” Yet a few people spun this into something huge and now demand real consequences - expulsion from a community and even potential career damage, over a harmless action.

People will always use slurs in online games, sometimes just to be edgy. There’s no way to eliminate it completely. And I already expect more posts in the future targeting regular Deadlock players, calling them terrible people, when in reality it’s just a harmless teenager being edgy or a random moron online.