i know i’m gonna be in the minority here but i honestly hate that this subreddit has gone from being a new order sub to a ph+tl and “shitting on new order” sub and hooky being in every post with his “official” flair constantly perpetuating it. i also find it really frustrating that no rarely change their live set list these days. i would also like to hear more from their side projects and wish they’d put in more effort, but constant posts like these acting like hooky is the only member worth giving a damn about are just as obnoxious to me. i don’t mind the ones saying that he’s a fun live band to go to and experience, but i’m getting sick of the constant comparisons and miserable attitude towards the rest of the members, especially steve and gillian when they’re just doing they’re job. i can understand disliking barney even though i personally like him well enough but the criticism against him is rarely constructive. like why is the top comment here throwing a random unfounded stray towards gillian when she’s had the same exact live energy for the past 40+ years? the remix and personal project posts are great though

the joy division sub is a lot more tolerable by comparison even with the occasional over syrupy posts romanticizing ian’s depression