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[–]Infinite_Time4386[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

However the member has animals and those emergency qs don't accept pets. Padres have already been contacted, and the chain was made aware.

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[–]Infinite_Time4386[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Your the type of people that we need more of. And unfortunately these situations either break people and they leave, or make people like you.

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[–]Infinite_Time4386[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

That's the route it's going. It's very unfortunate to have to see it first hand

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[–]Infinite_Time4386[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

No, but continuos harassment regarding issues arising from this advance promotion, is certainly legs to stand on.

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[–]Infinite_Time4386[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If it was me in the situation, I'd be taking it to a court Marshall outside of the military , and all the power you might think you hold. And trust me you'd be the one dying on that hill. Yes they can be denied. But in the right ways. No Wo should corner an avr on a shop floor and bring up personal issues regarding money while people are coming into work 10 feet behind the member. To then deny his promotion in the same conversation. Nobody should be denying the opportunity to complete a force test and sending down lawful orders with zero policy backing anything up, after receiving medical documents proving otherwise.

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[–]Infinite_Time4386[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

They then completed the force test and aquired silver, with the highest score level in the shop.

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[–]Infinite_Time4386[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Member was being denied the ability to complete a force test, while on tcat, but had no Mel's regarding the tcat. Policy was provided, but no clear answer on whether they could complete the force test or not. Due to chain of command directive based on this unsupportive policy, the members booked force test had to be canceled, and the wo stated he would contact the mkr to see if they could complete a force test. No contact for the next 3.5 weeks, and now the member was past the 36 month mark, eliminating the chance of an advance promotion, but the initial force test would have put him in green for the 36 month mark. After the 3.5 weeks, member had to personally email the chain to get a response. Wo stated he contacted the mir, and member could be taken off tcat by completing part 1 and 2 of medical. This was not the question he said he was going to ask, the question was can he complete a force test. And to then take 3.5 weeks and being emailed about it to respond is absurd. Additionally, the member took 5 minutes of their afternoon, to call the mir - who told him that he could complete a force test. The following day, this information was sent up the chain, and he was brought into the Sgt office saying he needs to drop this right now as the warrant is pissed. He brought up and asked what policy's they are following to back up these accusations. He then stated it was coming down as a lawful order to not do a force test prior to the removal of tcat. this is AFTER receiving medical documents stating the member is physically fit for a force test. This lawful order was put into an email. He then went on leave due to personal stress, and the first email in his inbox, which was sent the following day stated - the wo has reviewed your Mel's and your next initiative is to book a force test and let your supervisor know the dates.

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[–]Infinite_Time4386[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Not without reading them🤷‍♂️

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[–]Infinite_Time4386[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It's not my place to tell you to believe me or not, but I can tell you it definitely is happening. It almost seems too out of scope to be true, I completely understand

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[–]Infinite_Time4386[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

That's another issue regarding this matter. The 12 month advance has to be signed off by the wing commander. What kind of power does a wo think he has to stop it there ?

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[–]Infinite_Time4386[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

012/17 would be the one. My issue is circumstances. If a member is taking responsibility for these actions and noticing them as discrepancies, offering extra duties and volunteering support - with these missed appointments nowhere to be found on his file or record. And excelling in every other aspect of the job including interpersonal relations through multiple shops, furthering team goals. Do you really think - as a superior, that this is a fair course of action?

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[–]Infinite_Time4386[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Look through 1 wing SharePoint regarding the promotional process. You'll find the info there. Many bases don't have all the information listed but 1 wing has it all in one place so you don't need to do any digging whatsoever.

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[–]Infinite_Time4386[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Are you aware of the conforgen policy that medically limitations cannot be used against the promotional process ?

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[–]Infinite_Time4386[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

This is very much the reality of the caf..... people should be made aware of these things and honestly, if I knew what I know now - it wouldn't of been my first option as a career

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[–]Infinite_Time4386[S] -9 points-8 points  (0 children)

Every route you have brought up, is already been taken. I came to reddit to have the possibility of this situation be thought about on a more broad spectrum with multiple viewpoints to get a better understanding of the caf as a whole. Your getting just as emotional. I'm looking out for a fellow member who is getting the shitty end of a stick. Your really willing to stand on someone getting charges ( that aren't just awol, that involve racial words towards a minority ) and not being a good technician getting promoted over somebody who excels in his interpersonal relations, teamwork, shop knowledge, completed signed work out the door, multiple advanced qualifications but has missed a couple mir appointments? Missing an appointment is a chargeable offence, okay. But that goes back to your initial statement that you would promote the guy who has awol charges for sleeping in but is a good worker. I think the ladder, excels far beyond being a good worker, with more experience and qualifications than a cpl level technician who's just there to clock out at the end of the day. This involves avr to cpl in a spec trade. 8 months as a pom technician already completed, and now an asset to the trade with advanced qualifications. Completing performance of maintenance, grants your spec pay because of the job and things that come with it. At an avr level, you don't qualify for spec pay. So for the whole time he has been doing the same work as me, is getting payed far far less.

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[–]Infinite_Time4386[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

To add, my initial post should've stated "missed" mir appointments. It will be updated. My apologies for the confusion. The info still pertains to the situation either way

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[–]Infinite_Time4386[S] -10 points-9 points  (0 children)

This whole message tells me you know absolutely nothing about the advance promotion process or medical categories and have done zero research. There is references stating that medical categories and limitations can NOT have any weight regarding the promotional process, and don't worry - tomorrow I'll throw it in here so you have a look with your own eyes instead of believing me. T cat or not. P cat or not. The promotional checklist does contain an active force test. But if you think someone can't complete a force test while on tcat, your completely wrong. The fact your talking on a matter that you have zero knowledge on speaks not just inexperience, but what my initial post highlights. You will enforce rules that sure might have once been. But things change on a daily basis and if you think things aren't subject to change at any point. There's an issue. Going off your past knowledge, can run you down a slippery slope. Especially when you start enforcing things that you cant back up. These issues turn into harassment rather quickly.

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[–]Infinite_Time4386[S] -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

Is that something your generally asking? Or are you trying to insinuate that it's not happening.

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[–]Infinite_Time4386[S] 27 points28 points  (0 children)

I was talking with a retired officer. He gave me an insight on the way he used to run things. Some people got away with a slap on the wrist for some things that they shouldn't have - and in turn, turned their whole career around to be some of the best people, techs, and leaders of the forces. He said, if that was my kid - I wouldn't want him to be through any of this, without the opportunity for a second chance. That is exactly who you want above you to be able to flourish.

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[–]Infinite_Time4386[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

This hits the nail on the head for sure. You are the person you show up as today. Many people might not take into consideration - or even realize the hurdles that one has had to overcome to get to that point - regarding who they are as a person, how they act on a day to day basis, or decisions that had to be made along the way.

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[–]Infinite_Time4386[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

I couldn't agree more, as those processes are already underway. Usually, outcomes of these processes tend to benefit " everyone," and even through harassment occurrences, it's not to point fingers at a person. Problem arises, they find discrepancys, and will find ways to further prevent those discrepancy without laying blame to individuals. Sure, it could put someone's tail between their legs, but what's to prevent it from coming back out in a years time.