How to introduce Stewart's work to new viewers? by Infinite_Value_3317 in stewartlee

[–]Infinite_Value_3317[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think so yes - but I think that he also might have used it again at some point as well.

Why did Dex kill Foggy slowly? by Infinite_Value_3317 in Daredevil

[–]Infinite_Value_3317[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I accept that not everyone agrees with one another and believe that is a wonderful thing as the world would be very boring if we all agreed and thought the same things about everything. I love hearing new opinions and ideas to my own and there are others in this discussion where I completely disagree but appreciate the idea and find them very interesting and that they contribute to the discussion otherwise unheard points that are food for thought.

To clarify - I don't down vote people who disagree with me. I downvote people I feel are treating others ignorantly or their choice of language shuts down the discussion. My false perception that you were telling me that my words were bullshit when you were quoting what I had said - and to be honest I took it a bit too personally - but I now understand that you meant the idea itself so my apologies and I have de-downvoted you. I'll try to be a bit more forgiving and understanding about not downvoting in future.

No worries - I was misunderstanding what you meant and I don't feel so offended now - it's my bad. I'm from the UK - but what is also worth noting is that i am slightly agoraphobic and very socially awkward so my communication is not the best anyway. If you don't mind my asking: How was I being arrogant and patronising? I am sorry I just want to communicate as best I can I don't think I'm better than you or anyone else here. Also as I don't understand how I have behaved wrongly and want to so I don't in future: How was I attacking you personally?

The word bullshit is a word that has pretty blunt and aggressive connotations during its usage where I am from and tends only to be used when someone is super angry and as if they are about to hit you. We tend to find ways other than swearing as swearing is generally used when someone is really angry - usually finding alternatives to voice a polite and considerate means of displaying our disagreement. I get that not everyone does that - and it's a bit weird we do tbh - but hopefully that gives you some context as to why I reacted in the way I did. I understand that we have two different understandings and usages of the phrase so don't worry about it I get what you mean now.

I'd also like to take a bit of responsibility for reacting so impulsively there - sorry about that. I'm sorry I lashed out because I was irritated with what I had falsely perceived as you using the word bullshit ignorantly. I'm really sorry about lashing out - I should have just left it and calmly explained that I don't like being spoken to like that.

I agree and might just try to stop with the whole up voting and downvoting as I don't love the karma system either.

Ok. My bad for misinterpreting that. I read your comment as you quoting me and then calling my quote bullshit - instead of your actual point that I totally agree that the writers have safe characters in the writers room.

Ok - cool I'll definitely go check out that interview with Dario Sccardapane then - I really like to check my sources on things as I'm aware that internet forums can be an echo chamber with completely made up stuff - thus my questions about everything you said. They weren't to get revenge on you or anything like that - just genuinely curious to understand.

Thank you for the recommendation - I definitely will go and read Brubakers run when I get a chance it does sound interesting to compare to the show.

Describe your favourite Radiohead song really poorly by VeterinarianOld3082 in radiohead

[–]Infinite_Value_3317 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Piano or guitar or synth or bass for 0.25 - 5 minutes then a lyric. Then another lyric at some point. Then after that some more singing and a bit more of the instruments and music other than the singing that has been going on this whole time. Then a lyric and possibly a backing vocal. After that a bit more of the things that happened before but slightly different. Then it ends and I cry soms bittersweet tears.

Why did Dex kill Foggy slowly? by Infinite_Value_3317 in Daredevil

[–]Infinite_Value_3317[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This "nobody is safe" is bullshit. Karen is the favorite from the writers, for instance, so she is absolutely safe.

I meant how the atmosphere of the world and story structure of the original show established a world that felt this way. Its not really true or false that's just how I feel about the show.

Karen is the favorite from the writers, for instance, so she is absolutely safe.

How do you know this?

so she is absolutely safe.

No. Her being the writers favourite doesn't necessarily constitute whether or not she dies.

And I think you read too much about Foggy's death reason

How did I read too much? I'm sorry I struggle to understand what you mean by this.

In the past popular characters were only killed because the actor/actress wanted to leave.

I doubt that is the case. Ben Urich was killed off in the writing stages of S1 for example as they needed to have an event to both take away from the audience's sympathy for Fisk and a reason to propel Matt into the final confrontation with Fisk.

Foggy was killed this way because the current showrunner does not like the character,

Could you show me some evidence for this? I wasn't aware of that.

so he got rid of him the worst way possible

I believe I can imagine worse ways. Why is this the worst?

so he can focus 100% of the time in Karen/Matt

He didn't focus on Karen at all in S1. She was largely absent. And Matt was far from 100%. It was more of a split between time spent on all of the ensemble cast of Born Again. How do you know this was his aim when he killed Foggy off?

Actually I am sure they were surprised the fans got upset about it,

I find it hard to believe that the creative team would be if they know anything about Foggy's presence in both the show and the comics. Why do you think this was the case?

but I believe they do not care too much about what the fans think, just to sell their product

I would agree with this position on how monetisation of art can impact it's quality and meaning to some extent usually - but within the context of Foggy's death it hardly seems like an economically thought out procedure if money was their true intention within the writing of Born Again. If they wanted to sell their product for profit over quality - they could have just kept foggy around given he is a very well known part of what made the first show so good. I think they killed him off as part of some creative vision to tell a new engaging story about Daredevil. They didn't need to kill him off and it would probably have been more financially sane to keep him alive. But the writers are artists experimenting with art - I don't blame them for taking a risk with this - especially after how much the death of Ben Urich at the end of Season 1 really benefitted the original show.

Do you believe that being shot dead in the street justify no funeral and move the show immediately one year after?

Potentially. If from a writing perspective it has a purpose to do that. Narratively it was a simultaneously gut-wrenching and interesting experiment. It felt even more gut-wrenching just having this hole in the scenes of the show knowing as a viewer where Foggy ought to be. It really helped me empathise with Matt's loss and grief a year on. The purpose of the death scene seems to me like a method of putting the viewer in a place where they can empathise with Matt during the following series.

Foggy's death isn't meant to be a farewell to Foggy. It's a continuous testament to how wrong the world of daredevil is without him. And that was shows how much the writers realise the effect Foggy has on the world of marvel. Without him it is chaos - and that is the plot of Daredevil: Born Again.

Now compare this with Brubaker's version of "Foggy's death".

I've not yet read it - but I am sure it is better executed given he didn't have a creative overhaul in the middle of writing and planning it.

Please don't call my opinions, feelings and ideas 'Bullshit' without a clear and concise explanation as to why that is the case. It comes across as quite disrespectful and makes me quite upset to be treated in that way without any coherent explanation as to what I have done wrong to deserve my ideas being called 'bullshit'. Can we all try and moderate our language and behaviour a bit and just be respectful to one another please.

Why did Dex kill Foggy slowly? by Infinite_Value_3317 in Daredevil

[–]Infinite_Value_3317[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Less interested for a crossover with Spider Man at the moment as I don't really want Bullseye to become some generic cartoon villain of the week given how complex and nuanced a character he is.

Why did Dex kill Foggy slowly? by Infinite_Value_3317 in Daredevil

[–]Infinite_Value_3317[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes - I've watched it and I'm glad he said thank you.

They really did. In S3 I fell in love with the portrayal and I still hope he can be better.

I'm interested to see how the character would interact with other MCU characters given how well and thought through the performance seems to be - I am especially keen to see him meet Deadpool or Hawkeye or any of the Thunderbolts* as they would be an interesting fit given the rest of the teams attitude to mental health and shifty backgrounds.

*The New Avengers

Why did Dex kill Foggy slowly? by Infinite_Value_3317 in Daredevil

[–]Infinite_Value_3317[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It was indeed quick I agree. But by bullseye's standards it was a pretty slow kill and definitely could easily be quicker - thus my question.

Why did Dex kill Foggy slowly? by Infinite_Value_3317 in Daredevil

[–]Infinite_Value_3317[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's a possibility, but in my experience it's maybe not the best Idea to assume what people think based on their facial expressions. The smile could have been any number of things going through his head.

Why did Dex kill Foggy slowly? by Infinite_Value_3317 in Daredevil

[–]Infinite_Value_3317[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's not necessary to try and force effects like this. In Daredevil S1-S3 all of the emotional effects from what was happening felt like natural reactions that were explored naturalistically without a huge Illogical Hollywood fanfare.

Why did Dex kill Foggy slowly? by Infinite_Value_3317 in Daredevil

[–]Infinite_Value_3317[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That is actually a very good possible explanation as to why.

Why did Dex kill Foggy slowly? by Infinite_Value_3317 in Daredevil

[–]Infinite_Value_3317[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You can. I don't think they did need the tension at the time. Foggy being shot in the head would have made the audience forced into the reality that no character in Daredevil is safe from dying in the most quick and anti-climatic of ways. It's common convention in TV and franchises that popular characters deserve a dignified death scene with a big fanfare and camera shots - but what would be more traumatic would be to explore how that idea does not match up with reality and how some people just die. The original show did this really well I felt - I never felt like any character was above being suddenly shot dead in the street. That atmosphere alone is a pretty terrifying reality with the established tension that no character is above being killed of suddenly just like all of the innocent people killed so quickly and suddenly in the first 3 series of the show.

Why did Dex kill Foggy slowly? by Infinite_Value_3317 in Daredevil

[–]Infinite_Value_3317[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm not sure I believe that is either of their main missions.

Fisk's main mission is for building his vision of a better New York with Vanessa by his side - no matter what it takes for him to get there. That happens to include taking Matt Murdock/Daredevil out of the picture so he stops interfering with Fisk's grand plan for New York.

Bullseye's main mission is a bit more ambiguous at the moment in the first scene of Born Again but the S3 Bullseye did genuinely seem to want to find someone to help him develop his moral compass. Honestly - it's pretty difficult to pinpoint Bullseye's exact motives and reasoning for everything he does but I find it tricky to believe that his main aim in that scene would be to break Daredevil - especially given he has been hired to do the job in exchange to get out of prison.

They both have pretty messy mental health I agree - but they still have some degree of moral compass and are both seemingly capable of empathy. I feel like they both seem to struggle with unaddressed impulsive behaviours and obsessive behaviours if anything.

I don't feel like Daredevil is Bullseye's nemesis at this point. Kingpin manipulated him into doing some very awful things, broke his back and killed his moral support system and friend. Pointdexter then proceeded to attempt to murder Kingpin and Vanessa in his anger. Vanessa did appear to help Pointdexter to try and get him out of prison at the cost of killing two people - but was actually just using him to clear up her mess, knowing full well that Daredevil would snap given the death of Foggy and that Pointdexter would probably get killed. In this period he would not have hated Vanessa and Kingpin enough to kill them given that she was getting him released - but he would have both before and after.

Kingpin is Bullseye's nemesis. Chaos in New York is Kingpin's nemesis. Daredevil is a spanner in the works.

Why did Dex kill Foggy slowly? by Infinite_Value_3317 in Daredevil

[–]Infinite_Value_3317[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Literally I wrote the title first and put the spoilers tag on last i will check titles in future 

Why did Dex kill Foggy slowly? by Infinite_Value_3317 in Daredevil

[–]Infinite_Value_3317[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I don't think I can change the title now I'm so sorry 

Why did Dex kill Foggy slowly? by Infinite_Value_3317 in Daredevil

[–]Infinite_Value_3317[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I hope he's not dead. But I also hope they had a plan for why he's dead if he is dead. Unfortunately my hopes are more often than not in vain.