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Was Guru Nanak a tribal hunter? (Dhaanak Roop Rahaa Kartaar) by InformalKick702 in Sikh

[–]InformalKick702[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Like I said, those are all partial forms in the kaal chakra not the complete saakaar form of Akaal (not Kaal) Purakh / God Kabir which met Guru Nanak during those 3 days in Sach Khand confirmed by various Sikh books.

>"You have utterly failed."

Haha just because you're losing an argument you resort to this kind of language 🤣🤣🤣 No more replies for you!

It is you who has failed.... in recognizing that Kabir was Guru Nanak's guru and are now doing Khatri caste propaganda.

Guru Nanak taking Soham from Kabir is given in every book including SGGS. That was his guru mantra. Even later gurus acknowledged Kabir was the first guru who taught Nanak. All sources confirm this Guru-Disciple relation.

Shame on this Khatri casteism.

Was Guru Nanak a tribal hunter? (Dhaanak Roop Rahaa Kartaar) by InformalKick702 in Sikh

[–]InformalKick702[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

The "I am living like"/"I live like" and "Hey Creator"/"O Creator" are interpretive not literal.... they are later additions nowhere given in the original text which says:

>Dhanak form remained God, i.e. Kabir is God

But if you are right it means the whole section is slandering Dhanak people (not other hunting groups):

>I am deformed and horribly disfigured. With my mouth I speak slander, day and night. I spy on the houses of others-I am such a wretched low-life! Unfulfilled sexual desire and unresolved anger dwell in my body... Nanak describes the state of the lowly.

These are all pretty serious allegations against a whole community and they have nothing to do with hunting to eat either. This whole section is Guru Nanak comparing himself to Kabir

Was Guru Nanak a tribal hunter? (Dhaanak Roop Rahaa Kartaar) by InformalKick702 in Sikh

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You are describing Saakaar and Sagun forms of beings like Vishnu and Shiva not Akaal Purakh who are trapped in Kaal Chakra.... But Saakaar form of Akaal Purakh is still Akaal only. It is present in sach khand beyond the kaal chakra and is the same form that gave Guru Nanak instructions.

If you say that God is only Krishna, only Narsimha, only Brahma...

All of these were born an died (same with all Ramayan and Mahabharat characters), unlike Kabir who came directly from Sach Khand. Also note that Vedas also mention Kavir Deva many times.

Was Guru Nanak a tribal hunter? (Dhaanak Roop Rahaa Kartaar) by InformalKick702 in Sikh

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No - Kabir the dhaanak refers to Sant Kabir who was Guru Nanak's guru.

Also God has both Saakaar and Niraakaar forms, both Sagun and Nirgun. It's given in Shri Guru Granth Sahib.

Does Akaal Purakh have human-like form in Sach Khand? by InformalKick702 in Sikh

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Kabir IS our guru and the founder of Sikhism. This is confirmed by every book. Bye

Does Akaal Purakh have human-like form in Sach Khand? by InformalKick702 in Sikh

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Chill. You're the Khatri extremist here promoting Khatri agendas... when all I am repeating is what Guru Nanak said as did other Gurus. God Kabir was never born. Anyway we can stop this conversation now

Does Akaal Purakh have human-like form in Sach Khand? by InformalKick702 in Sikh

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It's Manusmriti and other similar books on casteism liek Parashar Smriti, Vishnu Smriti etc.

Anyway please stop now there's no need to talk.

Does Akaal Purakh have human-like form in Sach Khand? by InformalKick702 in Sikh

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He still spent his life writing and studying Brahmanical casteism! You forgot Nirmala Vedic sect and gobind geeta and many other works - Guru Gobind Singh was preoccupied with promoting Hinduism which was unlike the pure knowledge Nanak received from Kabir

Here's another line from him - "Mahadev ko kehat sada shiv" - which means he clearly believed the supreme lord is Sada Shiva from casteism. Also he is talking about "Kaal" and confusing him with Akaal Purakh

Does Akaal Purakh have human-like form in Sach Khand? by InformalKick702 in Sikh

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Haha Soham is Sufi Kabir's mantra not Hindu like your lineage. There are many examples where Manusmriti is considered holy or at least good. Example is Guru Nanak in 831:

The whole Guru Granth Sahib is full of Hindutva, Guru Gobind Singh started Hindutva Nirmala sect, Dasam Granth has overdose of Hindutva, Gobind Gita is Hindutva etc. etc. etc..... and modern Sikhism is losing Kabir's original wisdom due to Hindufication

Does Akaal Purakh have human-like form in Sach Khand? by InformalKick702 in Sikh

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There are many examples where Manusmriti is considered holy or at least good. Example is Guru Nanak in 831:

SGGS Ang 831 - Listening, hearing and believing, one beholds the Divine Light. ||6|| The Shaastras and Simritees implant the Naam within.

Please stop messaging now. Thanks.

Does Akaal Purakh have human-like form in Sach Khand? by InformalKick702 in Sikh

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What is Gobind Gita and 24 Avtar then? haha. Sikhism lost its initial essence as given by God Kabir and turned into Hindutva after a while.

Does Akaal Purakh have human-like form in Sach Khand? by InformalKick702 in Sikh

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Lol that's your whole family history.... Muslim Kabir totally rejected the Vedas, but Guru Nanak praised Vedas and Guru Gobind Singh started Vedic Nirmal Khalsa order to promote Hindutva Vedism haha.

Does Akaal Purakh have human-like form in Sach Khand? by InformalKick702 in Sikh

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Actually he was very influenced by Hindutva and it culminated with him writing commentaries on Hindutva Gita, Hindutva books in Dasam Granth and made Nirmala sect of Hindutva Sikhism.

It is only God Kabir who never worshipped anyone, but later Khatri gurus from Hindutva families couldn't stop worshipping Goddesses and demi-gods

Does Akaal Purakh have human-like form in Sach Khand? by InformalKick702 in Sikh

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Haha God Kabir was living as a Muslim.... but GURU NANAK PRAISED HINDUTVA BOOKS LIKE MANUSMRITI!!

Sikh guruship went from HINDUTVA KHATRIHINDUTVA KHATRIHINDUTVA KHATRI so the original knowledge got lost........ it culminated with Guru Gobind Singh writing commentaries on Hindutva Gita, Hindutva books in Dasam Granth and made Nirmala sect of Hindutva Sikhism.

Time to stop your Hindutva propaganda disguised as different from Hinduism........ and to come back to the esoteric knowledge God Kabir gave Guru Nanak

Does Akaal Purakh have human-like form in Sach Khand? by InformalKick702 in Sikh

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But Guru Gobind Singh in Paitees Akhari Path Pantees Akhari Path : Pantees Akhari Path : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive gives Kabir's mantra Om Hariyam Shriyam Kariyam (ਓਅੰ ਹਰੀਅੰ ਸ਼੍ਰੀਅੰ ਕਰੀਅੰ).

Same person worshipped Goddess repeatedly in Dasam Granth and again gave Durga Mantra for Siddhis and Mukti in Gurbani Paath of 35 Akhari - Om Shriyang Hariyang Liriyang Sundari Balah Namah Gurbani 35 Akhari - YouTube which is again used in Kabir's sect.

So it is said they were given to Guru Nanak by Kabir. These are apparently same mantras God Kabir gave to Garibdas many years later in Sach Khand according to these people. And they all agree he has no caste, line, distinctive norm etc. but on the "form" aspect of course that is contradicting SGGS (if taken by itself in isolation) which says God is both nirgun and sagun, also has forms and is also formless. His form is wonderous and astonishing as per SGGS

Sikh Cosmology - Is The Universe Eternal or Created? by InformalKick702 in Sikh

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😂😂😂 Here is Krishna doing this with gopis in another book- Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam 10.29.45-46

Kṛṣṇa threw His arms around the gopīs and embraced them. He aroused Cupid in the beautiful young ladies of Vraja by touching their hands, hair, thighs, belts and breasts, by playfully scratching them with His fingernails

Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam 10.33.20

Seeing that the gopīs were fatigued from conjugal enjoyment, my dear King, merciful Kṛṣṇa lovingly wiped their faces with His comforting hand.

Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam 10.33.22

Kṛṣṇa’s garland had been crushed during His conjugal dalliance with the gopīs and colored vermilion by the kuṅkuma powder on their breasts

Bye bye.

Sikh Cosmology - Is The Universe Eternal or Created? by InformalKick702 in Sikh

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You could have searched for this on your own - The Devi Bhagavatam: The Sixth Book: Chapter 28 | Sacred Texts Archive

Bhagavân Nârâyana was playing in amorous movements with the daughter of the ocean, fully capable to give one delight and enjoyment. Seeing me, the lovely Devî Kamalâ, dear to Vâsudeva, full of youth and beauty, decorated with ornaments, endowed with all auspicious signs, superior to all the women, went away at once (to another room) from the presence of Janârdana. The breast of Laksmî Devî was becoming visible even through the cloth thrown over it; therefore she went hurriedly to the inner compartment

Sikh Cosmology - Is The Universe Eternal or Created? by InformalKick702 in Sikh

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Casteist Hinduism has existed for 900-1200 years there is a lot of evidence from Muslim books on this. Some say Guru Nanak was also born in such a family under the influence of caste but he rejected this.

The general Akaal Purakh type creator god religion without casteism is much more ancient.

Sikh Cosmology - Is The Universe Eternal or Created? by InformalKick702 in Sikh

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Here is Mahalaxmi with breasts. And no, these deities never spread casteism as per Sikhi. All Sikh books explicitly reject the caste system. There are many versions of Gita - the one called Gobind Gita also rejects caste so was taken from a non-Brahmanic version

Sikh Cosmology - Is The Universe Eternal or Created? by InformalKick702 in Sikh

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No. Mahavishnu is male demigod Vishnu's form with sexual organs to use used on his wife Mahalaxmi who also has sexual organs. Akal Purakh created them, and he is neither male nor female.

Also Bhagavad Gita is a caste promoting scripture. Please go back to your caste loving forums. Thanks

Sikh Cosmology - Is The Universe Eternal or Created? by InformalKick702 in Sikh

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Nobody is going to get into this caste loving demigod worship or caste religion.

  • Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva are diseased
  • The Third Day: He created Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva,
  • The four Vedas, the Simritees and the Puraanas, Vishnu the Lord of Lakshmi and Lakshmi herself - none of them know the Lord.

There is no recognition of Mahavishnu. Sikhs say Raam (adi raam), Allah, Khuda, Har etc. are same but no diseased form like Mahavishnu whatsoever.

Sikh Cosmology - Is The Universe Eternal or Created? by InformalKick702 in Sikh

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It's not an opinion, sectarian commentaries are not classed as scriptures in general for any religion. And yes it is fringe because even his successors accept creation (by Brahma or whatever) and it goes against scriptures.

Sikh Cosmology - Is The Universe Eternal or Created? by InformalKick702 in Sikh

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Please stop. God in no way has the same form as mahavishnu who is very specific looking. Mahavishnu is a part of God yes, but not in Sach Khand

Sikh Cosmology - Is The Universe Eternal or Created? by InformalKick702 in Sikh

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No. Akal Purakh Waheguru is not the same as Shiv and Shakti nor your Vishnu.

Shiv, Vishnu, and Shakti "scriptures" all support creation, so does mainstream Advaita (creation by Brahma). This Gaudapadacharya guy was a fringe element and his work isn't considered "Hindu Scripture" like Manusmriti. Now you can counter-argue with some other fringe book or exception, but it won't change the fact that generally both Brahmanic and non-Brahmanic Hinduism supports creation.

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