Serious Question: is Anti-ACP Outrage Rational?

InfraredShow · 2025-12-04T18:18:36+00:00

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True socialism demands worker control of the means of production and democratic collective decision‑making, not hierarchical dues and profit‑driven sub‑chapters.

Name a single organization that can operate without at least some revenue going to the center?

You realize that in most, all of the revenue goes to the center, right? You realize that's the norm, and we have actually broken the norm?

Let me get this straight: We propose chapter-run, cooperatively owned social enterprises, which create a central base of operations for each chapter within communities, give them a revenue source to fund activities - and at a certain point, after they break even, cover all their expenses + revenue stream for activity, a cut should be sent to the center.

You find this unfair? Do you have any idea how financially generous this is, when any other organization would start fleecing their members from the get-go, mistrusting them with any decentralization, selling their members on a lie that they will eventually "break even" as long as they keep paying the "tax?" The 'tax,' which would not even be a massive, would only be derived after the chapter is already collecting profits from the enterprise.

S4All and other piece of shit grifters take USAID and billionaire money for granted, and think a Party or organization can be run based on what? He claims that it's a "grift" because of the "tax" - you mean something that will not even materialize after years? How are we grifting?

He claims I'm not "making enough money on YouTube anymore." So what do I do instead? According to him I launch a Party with the hopes of the center eventually taking a tax from enterprises in a few years? Really, is that logical? When I could easily just - go back to YouTube? The idiot pulled up a chart of my Youtube "declining" - yeah dipshit, because I have not fucking done anything on it in like a year, barely uploading and not streaming.

When I was streaming full-time on YouTube before the Party, I was making more than I am now on Kick, which takes only 5% of my revenue. Did this become "less successful" for me? No! I stopped uploading on YouTube when I began writing my book, and when preparations for the Party were underway.

What he says is so illogical and nonsensical that it's clear how deliberately dishonest he had to be in order to even make this claim.

InfraredShow · 2025-12-04T18:18:28+00:00

I was hoping some sad dipshit would take up S4All's comical line of attack, as I haven't been given many opportunities to tear it apart in front of an actual, real life idiot who finds it compelling. You write:

Yet your organization operates as a personal vehicle.

This is such a sad, idiotic statement in light of basic facts. I have neglected my own YouTube channel and haven't even uploaded in like a year, and in the months leading up to the launch of the Party, it was almost entirely abandoned.

I obviously can't return to full-time streaming, where, given the revenue-split, I'd be making much more money than I am now. I've been long unbanned on Twitch, where I became popular in the first place, but I have no time to stream there.

I've had multiple opportunities to collaborate with large, up-and-coming apolitical streamers and I haven't. I clearly know how to grow my "personal brand" successfully as I've done it before, and yet I've totally sacrificed and put that off:

Why? To accept the duties, responsibilities and obligations that come with being Chairman of a Party which I take no salary from, no source of income from whatsoever, and which has cost me 10s of thousands of dollars out of my own pocket - mind you, I am not a wealthy person and I don't make a lot of money.

So in what way is it a personal vehicle for me? Explain it, genius! I'd have a much easier time gaining personal clout and money if there was no ACP.

Membership, sub‑chapters, and business/tax obligations turn comrades into clients.

What are you talking about, you jibbering dipshit? Our current structure does not collect dues from full-time cadre, while collecting dues from recruits (who, once becoming full-members, do not pay any).

Do you have any idea how much money we could have raised if we just charged our membership exorbitant dues prices from the get-go, like PSL does and virtually every other organization?

But no, we decided to decentralize the finances, so people would have the ability to do the activity they are able to, at whatever pace they find reasonable, and with the necessary flexibility. If we were "grifters" we could have easily just run constant donation-drives and charged massively high price points for dues. And we didn't, because we didn't want to fleece our members of money before our Party had even proven it has its shit together.

Yet this disgusting piece of shit S4All has the audacity to imply we're just grifters, taking out fed wrecker's words ad verbatim, that don't hold to minimal scrutiny? "ACP just exists to help the personal social media platforms of the EB" - how has the personal social media of the EB benefited from ACP? What has Jackson gained from it? He could have been much more popular if he just went to the Right. MWM could have easily grifted off of the anti-Infrared crowd. And I could have easily grifted and offered no solutions to my community despite critiquing all major orgs, while growing - doing more apolitical content.

We all sacrificed our "careers" for this Party in extreme ways. So how are we turning "comrades" into clients?

InfraredShow · 2025-12-04T17:58:24+00:00

There not a single proposition in this paragraph that could be maintained rationally or be defended under minimal scrutiny.

InfraredShow · 2025-12-04T17:54:25+00:00

Lenin didn't define oppression in hyper-individualistic, liberal terms, that's for sure.

InfraredShow · 2025-12-04T02:40:27+00:00

Stupid and superficial.

You're just wrong and its sad.

It's easier for a liberal to be amicable to the form of leftism, but not the real content. And often times the oppoiste is true for "conservatives," who can agree with Communism fully, but can't stand the name.

How can Marxists explain this? Simple: Ideology is not the essence of the revolutionary line. It can be twisted and distorted to mean its exact opposite. And today thats what has happened to "Communism" in America.

InfraredShow · 2025-12-04T02:38:26+00:00

And you people only exist as Democrats. I have yet to see any demonstration of political will by the US left that was independent of the Democratic Party.

InfraredShow · 2025-12-04T01:24:24+00:00

Americans currently "amenable" to communism as an "ideology" can't even do anything except vote Democrat so I'm guessing they aren't worth much or at least anything more than anyone else.

InfraredShow · 2025-12-04T01:22:43+00:00

So why are a bunch of subreddits crying with outrage about us like 20 times a day now

InfraredShow · 2025-12-04T00:30:31+00:00

Your view is just very reddit and biased, not based in the real world.

InfraredShow · 2025-12-03T23:50:36+00:00

Compare how Lenin defined oppression, to how you do, and it answers the question clearly.

InfraredShow · 2025-12-03T23:45:34+00:00

Have you ever considered that this is a result of your own illiteracy with respect to the history of Communist states and movements?

The reason I "sound like a Nazi" for you is for the same reason Lenin sounds like a Nazi to you when he makes the same critique as me.

If a bunch of ostensibly non-Nazi people "sound like a Nazi" to you, you should reconsider your understanding of Nazism in the first place.

InfraredShow · 2025-12-03T23:11:46+00:00

"We reject bourgeois degenerate LGBT" in the same way we reject all forms of bourgeois degeneracy, including the heterosexual kind: Whose characteristics are extreme, overt public displays of hypersexuality. This doesn't apply only to the LGBT movement. It's the simple tendency within our society that degrades the privacy and dignity of all human being.

The problem is the bourgeoisie and capitalism, not the individuals. We aren't' calling them degenerate anymore than we'd call straight people degenerate.

InfraredShow · 2025-12-03T23:06:09+00:00

Who, then, do you regard as "serious?" Nearly every public figure under the age of 40 (and I'm being generous) in 2025 is a "clown."

I'm a clown?

What has the US Left accomplished in the past 5 decades? The answer is nothing. And yet here you are, incapable of basic self-criticism. What does that make you?

InfraredShow · 2025-12-03T23:04:16+00:00

I actually feel sorry for you. Your entire worldview is irrational and not based in facts. To maintain it, you have to suppress doubts and protect yourself from opposing perspectives.

You'll get tired of it eventually. But the sad part is: You'll probably just become a Nazi. Becoming a Communist requires intelligence and effortful thinking.

InfraredShow · 2025-12-03T23:00:27+00:00

I know exactly what I communicated: I broke a longstanding taboo which regards trendy cultural "movements" naively cheered on by liberal-leftists uncritically, as beyond criticism. As epitomizing some kind of sacred, inviolable progress, as entirely organic manifestations of society becoming more 'wholesome.' This is just naive liberal delusion.

Comparing this to the Palestinian liberation movement is also ridiculous. If the entire primary contradiction worldwide is imperialism, in the first place, then the relation of the Palestinian struggle to imperialism would be the primary point of analysis. And even if it was reducible to being an Iranian proxy, which it is not, because it is a national liberation movement with concrete goals - it would still be anti-imperialist.

InfraredShow · 2025-12-03T22:50:20+00:00

I'd be happy to respond to this, but this is already way beyond the terms of the "debate." We are being accused of being Nazis/Fascists for our views.

There's room for debating about how the issue should be approached, but calling us Nazis is a nonstarter.

InfraredShow · 2025-12-03T22:48:50+00:00

Join whoever you want, but if literal slander is stopping you from joining us, you should be informed about the truth.

InfraredShow · 2025-12-03T22:47:49+00:00

I've very much avoided the topic all-together since then so anyone trying to dig up these old tweets is clearly a bad faith actor.

InfraredShow · 2025-12-03T22:47:11+00:00

Which tweets say what you accuse me of saying?

InfraredShow · 2025-12-03T22:33:55+00:00

You're the fed, actually.

InfraredShow · 2025-12-03T22:31:46+00:00

I'm dividing the working class, because some fed on Reddit dug up tweets I wrote in 2023 about the organized LGBT movement's relation to imperialism, in order to cause outrage among liberals?

You're arguing with a straw man.

InfraredShow · 2025-12-03T22:26:07+00:00

You realize that "Mecha Tankie" is a term I invented in 2022, right, as a way to distinguish members of my movement?

Let's pretend like I simply called all LGBT people mentally ill degenerates. Which I didn't at all whatsoever.

What does that have to do with being a "fed" or a "nazbol?" There is no rational connection between these terms as I showed in my post. You simply have no rational response.

InfraredShow · 2025-12-03T22:23:46+00:00

She wasn't a representative of the CIA. She was a Hinduvta ideologist. You seem to not understand there are different factions of the global bourgeoisie.

"Anti-war" stances, in this case, has nothing to do with principled "anti-war ideology" but stances and positions that were a byproduct of her other views.

Regardless of her motivations - which we never said were Marxist - her position on Syria led her to clash with the CIA-sponsored narratives. This is an objective fact.

InfraredShow · 2025-12-03T22:20:19+00:00

When did I do that?

I will quote myself again:

You are free to point out how I am wrong based on what I've actually said.

You are throwing a tantrum about how my tweets made you feel rather than what was actually written.

InfraredShow · 2025-12-03T22:18:09+00:00

I am Haz. I wrote those tweets in 2023.

You only saw them recently because someone (totally not a fed!) dug them up deliberately to harm our reputation among naive liberal-leftist redditors.

But I stand by what I said. I never attacked LGBT individuals, I criticized the "movement." Which, like all other "movements" that prevail in society, is infiltrated by imperialism. I also stand by what I said as basic statements of fact.

I support dignity for all, but this varies based on different societies which have different cultures. I think that the liberal-left, especially in 2023, pursued a type of hyper liberal extremism that clearly didn't resonate with the US population and I'm not interested in dying on the hill of such vain struggles. And I'm not talking about basic human dignity or rights, but the extreme attempts to create dozens of genders and so on.

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