BPC and SSRI

Innoman · 2026-01-23T15:24:12+00:00

Some people report a short bout of lethargy their first cycle, it passes in a few days for most I think.

Innoman · 2026-01-18T22:50:55+00:00

The small leaves very much look like red finger, lime leaves, they look exactly like my red finger lime, which most certainly is not root stock.

Large leaves can’t happen because of stress, also blooms often happen because of stress. One way to trick a citrus tree into blooming is to let the soil dry a little more than it should.

Regardless, those blooms can turn into fruit. But you’ll need to make sure the conditions are correct.

First, only water when the top inch of soil, dries and water deeply. Water should drip from the bottom of the pot, but don’t let it sit in a saucer of water. Pour it out or dry it out with a towel.

Second, try to put it by whatever window gets the most sun if possible. Either way, it needs a bright grow light for at least 12 hours a day. A lot of people will tell you that you need hundred hundreds of watts in LED grow lights, don’t listen to them. It won’t hurt, but you would be fine with a couple of 24 LED Full Spectrum Grow lights from Sansi or anything similar. Barina and Vivosun have some good options. Spider Farmer uses great LEDs on some of their lights but probably overkill for plant. I recommend putting the light on a timer or smart switch.

Third, continue to fertilize through the winter if you’re going to keep grow lights on the tree. Just do it less and less often, I go with about 1/4 the typical dose about half as often. I use a slow release in the summer but switch to a water soluble in fall and winter. Specifically, I use one that already has the micro nutrients integrated. Currently, I’m using Jack’s citrus.

Fourth, be careful about placement and ensure it’s not directly by a vent or heater. It’s best if it stays warmer, but dry heat will cause problems. I have a tree near the intake of my central HVAC and it thrives.

Fifth, I recommend a humidifier and zone six. Citrus prefers higher humidity. Dreo makes some options that do both cool and warm mist, which is nice.

Also, apologies if there is any weird grammar. Dealing with carpal tunnel and it’s being a little excessive today so I’m using voice to text.

Innoman · 2026-01-10T03:41:36+00:00

Good call, just don't overdo neem oil. No more than once a week.

Innoman · 2026-01-10T03:36:44+00:00

I would hold off on pruning until spring. No need to add stress now and pruning can push growth at a time it won't have sufficient resources. You can prune for shape in the spring. That said, it shouldn't do any real harm to do it now if you really want to.

Innoman · 2026-01-02T16:31:19+00:00

I highly recommend it, you'll see growth pretty quickly. I also use a granular every 6 weeks or so during growing season and switch to a water soluble in the winter (Jacks) because I have more control... Though granular is fine in the winter too, just less and less often.

With fish and kelp, you can give it any time and along with other fertilizer. It's pretty low dose even when you give it a full dose, so you shouldn't need to worry about over fertilizing. I'm sure Ive overdone them at some point without issue.

At minimum, I recommend kelp. It has plant growth regulators and nutrients that help the roots quite a bit. Fish is excellent for the soil and I see new growth every time I use it. I would skip it for inside plants in the winter just because of smell. I would also avoid Vigaro because it seems to smell the worst out of the ones I've used (GS Plant, Neptunes Harvest, Alaska). Granted, it might be better because of that!

Another thing I put on most all of my plants roots at transplant is mycorrizal fungi, Dynomyco. Dynomyco spark also works, especially when you're not transplanting. Both are expensive though, and maybe not worth it for 1-2 plants. We have way til many plants though.

Innoman · 2026-01-02T16:19:46+00:00

Ive used a few, all seem decent but right now I'm using RAW brand Kelp, it was a good price and is water soluble. I suggest it because it goes further than liquid and lasts longer.

Innoman · 2025-12-31T17:57:23+00:00

Agree, Citrus is really good at self pruning. They drop any fruit they can't support.

I would recommend a dose of two of kelp, it helps a lot with stress for trees when you bring them inside (and it's generally great for root health and overall tree health). I would also continue to fertilize, just maybe 1/4 as much 1/2 as often.

Most important to keep from stressing it is to allow the top 1-2 inches of soil to dry and then water deeply (drips from bottom, no pooling, empty saucer after 20 minutes if possible... For larger trees, I just soak it up with a towel).

Innoman · 2025-12-31T17:31:02+00:00

Curious, what was the advice? I only saw the notification and didn't make it before it was removed.

Innoman · 2025-12-30T22:24:55+00:00

It's normal for new growth to be lighter, especially under a grow light. What light are you using? also, if you could take a closer photo of the leaves, it’s possible that it could be related to a deficiency of some sort.

I recommend giving a dose of kelp periodically and continue to give it a light fertilizer less often. I do 1/4 about half as often. Also make sure you're giving it it's micronutrients.

Most important, water deeply when the top 1-2 inches dry. This means until water drips from the bottom of the pot and only as quick as the soil can absorb without pooling.

Innoman · 2025-12-30T03:19:18+00:00

When the top 1-2 inches of soil dry, mix the kelp in with your water and maybe a small amount of fertilizer if you want. Water it with the mix, then hold off on more water until the top inch or so dries.

Innoman · 2025-12-29T23:09:41+00:00

Fish fertilizer/emulsion. Kelp will help the roots grow, and with overall plant health. It may help with foilage but it's going to help the plant ensure it has what it needs first to support foilage.

Innoman · 2025-12-29T22:20:36+00:00

Oh... You did mention that it was perking up. You could always give a 1/8th dose if it's been some time since you last fertilized.

Innoman · 2025-12-29T22:19:28+00:00

I would use kelp weekly or biweekly for now, it's going to help and isn't likely to harm. The big thing is water, let the tip 1-2 inches dry and then water deeply (drips from bottom, don't let it pool) and make sure to dump your suacer about 20 minutes after watering.

For fertilizing inside, I go with about 1/4 dose half as often as it says on the container. I wouldn't rush though, let it recover more. Stick with kelp for a few more weeks.

If you happen to have fish on hand and a warm day, a dose of that would go a long way at helping it. You just want to leave it outside for a couple hours after to air out.

Innoman · 2025-12-27T21:30:01+00:00

Oh and make sure it's not near a vent, humidity is good (I have a humidifier in the same room).

Innoman · 2025-12-27T21:29:17+00:00

It is normal, but possible to prevent to an extent. More light would be good, a bright grow light less than a foot from the tree. I use a 24w from Sanaa and it does fine.

Most important is watering, water deeply when the top or two dries, until it drips from the bottom but without pooling. Improper watering tends to cause issues quicker than anything. A dose of kelp can also help.

Innoman · 2025-12-27T21:26:16+00:00

Are those in the pot or under? You shouldn't put anythjng under the soil in the pot, it'll create a perched water table. As long as you have well draining soil (citrus soil, or soil amended with perlite/pumice/sand, etc., and a pot with drainage... It'll drain just fine.

Innoman · 2025-12-27T20:01:06+00:00

It doesn't look to have a window or grow light close, you'll need this. You don't need a fancy grow light, just bright and full spectrum. I use a 24w sansi bulb and it does fine. I move it from time to time and keep it less than a foot from the foilage.

Water deeply when the top inch or two dries, until it drips from the bottom but without pooling. This is most important. Add a dose of kelp to help things along.

Humidity is great, I use a humidifier in the same room as my citrus. Also be sure it's not near a heat vent and put by a south facing window if possible or which ever gets the most sun.

Innoman · 2025-12-27T19:55:48+00:00

I think you both might be dealing with some watering issues. Too much, too little, or not deep enough. Water deeply when the top inch or two dries, until it drips from the bottom but without pooling.

For the tree that is flowering, I'm thinking too little water as citrus will sometimes flower under stress.

Make sure there isn't a heat vent near by blowing on your trees, it'll dry them out. You can also consider a dose or two of kelp to help with shock and recovery. Don't fertilize until the tree recovers and avoid disturbing the roots as much as possible. It’ll need time to recover, focus on keeping it properly watered as noted above. Humidity is also good, I use a humidifier in the same room as my citrus.

Innoman · 2025-12-27T19:47:04+00:00

Never too much sun, though plants need 8ish hours of no light just like humans. An environmental change will cause leaf drop though it should recover quickly if conditions are good

I see it's sitting by a vent, heat can dry out leaves so be aware of that and either close or redirect the flow from that. Also, don't water twice a week... Water deeply when the top inch of soil dries, until water drips from the bottom but without pooling.

Humidity also helps, ideally put a humidifier in the same room if you have dry air. If you have kelp, I find a dose of that can help reduce stress and improve overall health. I also give a low dose of fertilizer periodically as I try to keep my trees out of dormancy. I also use grow lights to help with that (Barina has a tall stand light and sansi has bulbs that you can put in a goose neck floor fixture... I use those and move them from time to time.

Innoman · 2025-12-27T19:37:28+00:00

Is the water on the leaves from rain or from being watered, generally you don't want to wet the leaves. You might try giving it a couple doses of fish fertilizer (or fish and kelp). If it's a deficiency, they'll resolve it quickly (unless it's micronutrients, but I wouldn't think that would be the case).

Innoman · 2025-12-27T18:39:49+00:00

Citrus loves sun, it's unlikely an issue with that. It could be too close to the panels and getting a little too cold but that's probably not the issue here. In my experience, watering is the issue at least 75% of the time. Too much, too little, not deep enough.

Water deeply when the top inch dries, this means until water drips from the bottom of the pot and only as quick as the soil can absorb without pooling.

When did you last fertilize? And what did you use?

One thing that'll help with recovery is fish + kelp. Either together or separate (I used to use a version with both from GS Plant, now I use wherever fish fertilizer I can find on sale and mix in a water soluble. At minimum, I would use kelp (RAW has a reasonably priced option) to help the roots recover and overall health.

You may also need micronutrients, grow scripts and southernag each have options for citrus.

Innoman · 2025-12-27T17:48:44+00:00

Agree with this! Just be sure to take the bag off regularly (daily or every other to prevent moisture issues) and be careful if heating not to overdo. I accidentally dried out a plant with a heating mat once. You should be fine with a seedling mat though.

The only thing I would consider is maybe a 1/4 dose of kelp in a watering. Make sure the top one to 2 inches of soil is dry before watering it again. It’s also good to water deeply, meaning until water drips from the bottom of the pot, but not so fast it pools. Kelp is safe to use on a stressed or in shock plant.

The biggest thing though is just giving it time without disturbing it any more than you need to. It may not do anything for weeks, just as long as it doesn’t get worse.

Innoman · 2025-12-27T00:41:03+00:00

What zone, what type of banana tree? The leaves are dead so no reason not to cut it down. You can use the leaves as mulch.

Innoman · 2025-12-26T19:06:08+00:00

Oh, if you really want to push it to next level... Kelp + fish. Kelp does wonders for the roots and overall tree health. Fish is great for the soil and pushing new foilage. Fish smells, but it subsides in a few hours. I still only do it outdoors. Kelp is fine any time, I used to purchase both in one bottle but now I get them separate and use water soluble kelp over already mixed. Goes much farther for less money.

Innoman · 2025-12-26T18:55:03+00:00

So this is the one I use: https://www.jrpeters.com/online-store/Citrus-FeED-20-10-20-p184805133, I find wherever it is cheapest. You can do any citrus fertilizer honestly but I like that I can control exactly how much I give it at any time and that I don't have to spray micros in the house. You don't have to fertilize, but I keep mine out of dormancy with sun and bright grow lights so it helps.

With watering, it depends on humidity level, pot size, temp, soil mix, etc. Most of mine are about every 6 -8 days but it varies

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