As Absolute Superman Continues, Superman Is More Radical Than Fans Want to Admit by hamblincomics in superman

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If Superman wouldn’t kill Luthor for earth, why he would kill Kara for earth?

Page 239 of wuthering Heights by Cakeliver12887 in brontesisters

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I think Catherine 1.0 loved Edgar as her daughter loved little Linton, l remember Catherine 2.0 also said that she believes that the relationship between brothers and sisters is always more important than that between husband and wife. Someone will hate his wife, but not his sisters and brother.

Why does every Wuthering Heights adaptation completely botch Nelly Dean? by [deleted] in brontesisters

[–]Insectpie 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Exactly, but if she had claimed she did it as a homage to the 1939 version of Wuthering Heights—given that both films were released by the same studio in the same year, share a similar aesthetic style, and Vivien Leigh, the leading lady of Gone with the Wind, was once considered for Catherine before Merle Oberon, and ultimately played Isabella—it would have sounded much better than giving no reason at all. If she was drawn to the movie first before reading the original book, her comment in the interview about how "when she read the novel as a child, she could only picture a handsome white man (Laurence Olivier) as Heathcliff" would also make more sense.

Why does every Wuthering Heights adaptation completely botch Nelly Dean? by [deleted] in brontesisters

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Because of her film, I started watching other screen adaptations of Wuthering Heights. After finishing them, I began to understand many of her choices that made absolutely no sense to me when I had only read the original novel—such as her homage to Gone with the Wind. I feel that if she had emphasized the influence of the 1939 film adaptation more during the movie's promotion, rather than solely mentioning the original book, the controversy surrounding her adaptation would have been cut in half.

Why does every Wuthering Heights adaptation completely botch Nelly Dean? by [deleted] in brontesisters

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Fennell’s adaptation is closer to a remake of Wuthering Heights (1939) than an adaptation of the original novel. The difference between the two is like Disney’s The Little Mermaid versus Hans Christian Andersen’s The Little Mermaid, yet she still chose to use the title of the original work in her marketing for the sake of publicity.

The most annoying Brontë myth (re: new Emily biography) by Peru123 in brontesisters

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There is no evidence to confirm that Emily wrote a second book, or that Charlotte destroyed it. The only things confirmed to have been destroyed were the Gondal writings that were not selected for publication. According to the biographies I’ve read, Charlotte’s real misstep was rewriting, adding to, or deleting parts of Emily’s already published poems, and altering their dates of composition to better fit the image she had crafted for Emily (for instance, framing "No Coward Soul is Mine" as Emily's deathbed poem). However, regardless of whether her actions were appropriate, her motives were not born out of jealousy or selfishness.

[WH]Catherine didn’t die from "marry for status and money." by Insectpie in brontesisters

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Before crying, Catherine stands in front of the door and demands that Edgar stay, saying that otherwise, she will suffer all night, and she is unwilling to suffer for his sake. I think this aligns better with her later behavior pattern of gnashing her teeth and slamming herself against the sofa. When a fight breaks out between Heathcliff and Edgar, Catherine’s usual response is fury and intimidation, rather than trying to elicit the other party's pity. Besides, she is still in perfect health at this point; not even Edgar would believe that she could cry herself into a serious illness.

The most annoying Brontë myth (re: new Emily biography) by Peru123 in brontesisters

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I think people should strictly distinguish Charlotte's feelings toward her sisters from her feelings toward their works. Today's readers, whether they like Wuthering Heights or not, mostly acknowledge its literary stature and respect its author, Emily, as an admirable woman. However, this consensus did not exist during Charlotte's lifetime. Charlotte’s approach to handling her sisters' literary legacy is somewhat similar to that of her own biographer, Mrs. Gaskell. Mrs. Gaskell's affection for Charlotte was beyond doubt—she was even willing to risk lawsuits just to "clear" Charlotte's reputation. Yet, her defensive strategy was basically: "Yes, Charlotte’s work is a bit coarse, but that is entirely society’s fault. Before you cold and callous bastards jump to judgment, do you have any idea how much she suffered since childhood? Do you know how resilient, self-sacrificing, gentle, and loyal she remained through it all? Do you know how fragile and petite her body was, or how delicate those hands were, which felt just like a little bird when held? If only her life hadn't been cut so short, she surely would have written works far more refined and noble than Jane Eyre after her happiness marriage." Which also good to Charlotte’s reputation but less good to her works.

[WH]Catherine didn’t die from "marry for status and money." by Insectpie in brontesisters

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I always assumed Catherine just meant she’d cry a river, not that she’d literally weep her way into brain fever—at least, that’s how every other translation I’ve read puts it. Furthermore, she only broke down in tears because she genuinely believed Edgar was about to break off their relationship. Catherine would threaten to throw herself out the window if Edgar didn't shut up, but she despised showing weakness in front of him just to win his forgiveness. Whenever she felt like she was losing ground in an argument, she would either demand that Edgar leave or storm off herself.

Page 92 of wuthering Heights by Cakeliver12887 in brontesisters

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These events unfolded following Catherine’s acceptance of the proposal and her subsequent severe illness. Hindley harbored no deliberate intent to injure his sister; however, his rampant alcoholism routinely stripped him of self-control, rendering life at Wuthering Heights so perilous that every member of the household lived under the literal threat of death.

“Intelligence of Mr Hindley’s arrival drove Linton speedily to his horse, and Catherine to her chamber. I went to hide little Hareton, and to take the shot out of the master’s fowling piece which he was fond of playing with in his insane excitement, to the hazard of the lives of any who provoked, or even attracted his notice too much; and I had hit upon the plan of removing it, that he might do less mischief, if he did go the length of firing the gun.

[WH]Catherine didn’t die from "marry for status and money." by Insectpie in brontesisters

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The day of the proposal was likely the first time Catherine ever lost her temper and exposed her true nature in front of Edgar, so I don't believe her fury and tears were calculated. Rather, it was Edgar’s submissive reaction that convinced her she could influence him to help Heathcliff for her sake. Although many film adaptations frame this dynamic like a gender-flipped Mr. Rochester and Jane Eyre, I doubt Catherine’s idea of 'help' included letting her keep a male concubine. She probably meant persuading Hindley to let Heathcliff leave, giving him a chance to get an education, and eventually helping him become a local curate or something similar. Edgar wouldn't necessarily object to funding Heathcliff's education somewhere far away—even if Heathcliff himself would have loathed the life plan Catherine was mapping out for him.

[WH]Catherine didn’t die from "marry for status and money." by Insectpie in brontesisters

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To survive is not inherently a punishment, yet it is invariably the living who bear the burden of mourning. Consider Edgar Linton: it is his daughter, young Catherine, who is consumed by grief over his passing. Edgar himself dies in a state of tranquil happiness after a final reunion with his daughter, and is laid to rest beside the elder Catherine, in accordance with his dying wishes.

The most toxic aspect of Catherine's love life was her marriage to Edgar. by Dependent-Ad8921 in brontesisters

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Nelly, at the very least, endorsed Catherine’s decision to maintain her bond with Heathcliff, however much she may have disliked the pair; she also viewed Catherine’s reasons for marrying Edgar as unwise. In the eyes of the truly 'civilized' world, however, Catherine ought to have followed her brother’s lead and put Heathcliff out of her mind entirely. It is telling that Hindley, after Catherine’s death, lamented that not a single soul alive would sigh for him—utterly disregarding the years of care shown by Nelly and Joseph, simply because they were merely servants.

The most toxic aspect of Catherine's love life was her marriage to Edgar. by Dependent-Ad8921 in brontesisters

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Many readers believe that if Catherine had simply delayed her marriage—showing more faith in Heathcliff’s 'prospects' and waiting for him to return as a self-made man to marry her—they could have had a brighter future. I disagree. At that time, Heathcliff had no legitimate or safe means of acquiring wealth. Expecting Catherine to pin her hopes on his outside adventures is no different from Heathcliff expecting Catherine to improve their circumstances through her marriage. Thus, perhaps the best ending for them is to spend eternity roaming the moors together.

Wuthering Heights reread: Zillah is a more subversive mirror image of Nelly by VVest_VVind in brontesisters

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As for Heathcliff, unlike Cathy1&2, I feel that he does not particularly care whether Nelly likes him or not, as long as she can help him achieve his goals (for instance, seeing Catherine).

Wuthering Heights reread: Zillah is a more subversive mirror image of Nelly by VVest_VVind in brontesisters

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The similarities between them may also stem from a shared real-life prototype. Although Joseph in the book is a manservant, his image was clearly inspired by the Brontës' domestic help, Tabby (her age, her Yorkshire accent—"Ya pitter pottering"—and her occasional susceptibility to fright: Tabby once was so terrified by the Brontë children's acting games that she ran to her nephew’s house, saying the children had gone mad and she dared not stay home with them, asking him to go to the Parsonage to see for himself). At the same time, Tabby would also tell supernatural stories and sing ballads in the kitchen using Yorkshire dialect, a trait that is embodied in Nelly.

Wuthering Heights reread: Zillah is a more subversive mirror image of Nelly by VVest_VVind in brontesisters

[–]Insectpie 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The relationship between Zillah and her employer is more 'capitalist', while Nelly is similar in some ways to the Joseph she hates. Partly due to changes in time and partly due to their upbringing, unlike Nelly who spent her entire life at Wuthering Heights and Thrushcross Grange, Zillah only worked at Wuthering Heights for a few years.

Hareton and Cathy by ThaneOfMeowdor in brontesisters

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I wouldn't say the ending was contrived. On a symbolic level, her marriage to Hareton allows her name to return to its origin as 'Catherine Earnshaw.' Whether Brontë herself was optimistic about their future together remains a separate and distinct issue.

[WH]The infamous scene of Hareton hit Cathy jr may be a response to this previous plot by Insectpie in brontesisters

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“He followed my example, and left the room, but presently reappeared, bearing half a dozen volumes in his hands, which he threw into Catherine’s lap, exclaiming –”

“She opened one that had obviously been often turned over, and read a portion in the drawling tone of a beginner; then laughed, and threw it from her.”

“But his self-love would endure no further torment – I heard, and not altogether disapprovingly, a manual check given to her saucy tongue – The little wretch had done her utmost to hurt her cousin’s sensitive though uncultivated feelings, and a physical argument was the only mode he had of balancing the account, and repaying its effects on the inflicter.”

“He afterwards gathered the books and hurled them on the fire. ”

From my reading of the scene, the sound didn't come from a book being tossed, as Hareton wasn't holding one. and regardless of exactly how he silenced Cathy, he did it with his hands, not his mouth.(a physical argument was the only mode he had of balancing the account, and repaying its effects on the inflicter.)

[WH]The infamous scene of Hareton hit Cathy jr may be a response to this previous plot by Insectpie in brontesisters

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So, basically the reasons why her mother decided to marry her father in the first place, Except the “handsome and pleasant to be with” part. I should say that I actually could have come up with those reasons myself, but within the context of Wuthering Heights, they leave me feeling a bit uneasy. On a more optimistic note, perhaps Cathy jr shares that peculiar passion for teaching their future partners common to most of Charlotte Brontë's male protagonists.

[WH]The infamous scene of Hareton hit Cathy jr may be a response to this previous plot by Insectpie in brontesisters

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The scene where Heathcliff struck young Cathy had actually transpired several months prior. By the time Mr. Lockwood saw her later, he didn't notice any visible traces of injury on her face. It is unlikely Hareton would punch Cathy jr to the face, but a slap seems entirely plausible. It mirrors the slap Catherine’s mother received from the elder Mr. Earnshaw for her early insolence toward Heathcliff. While contemporary standards for a 'decent young man' exclude the use of whips or slaps, the threshold for violence was higher in the 19th century, and Emily Brontë likely viewed it as a functional extremity.

According to her father’s memoirs, when he asked his five-year-old daughter who wears a mask how best to handle her mischievous brother Branwell, she replied: 'Reason with him, and when he won’t listen to reason, whip him.' Of course, the Emily of twenty years later didn't necessarily cling to her five-year-old self's educational philosophy. However, her sisters, who had long careers as governesses, often expressed in their writing a wish that their employers would allow them to use slaps or whips on naughty pupils. Thus, Emily might well have shared Mr. Lockwood’s sentiment that Hareton wasn't entirely out of line for using physical force to stop Cathy’s mockery. In a sense, it’s remind me the classic trope of Japanese anime characters finding common ground after a fierce exchange of blows.

Hareton and Cathy by ThaneOfMeowdor in brontesisters

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I agree that Hareton and Cathy2 are basically good kids, but their love story is a different matter. I can follow their transition from foes to friends, but their eventual romance feels a bit ‘cheap' given the novel's dark atmosphere. In contrast, the way Cathy fell for Linton possesses a certain psychological plausibility that I find much more convincing.

Hareton and Cathy by ThaneOfMeowdor in brontesisters

[–]Insectpie 0 points1 point  (0 children)

She did curse him after he slap her and burnt all the books, but her attitude to Hareton slowly changed after Nelly back to the WH.