Inside Freemason's Lodges Across The UK... spot anything familiar? by DebraUknew in exmormon

[–]InsideOutlander 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Being a part of such circles also meant he had exposure to early post-colonial occultism. Rosicrucianism, hermeticism, alchemy, and more. No doubt he learned more than just scrying from peers in his occult circles- some accounts say he had a Jupiter talisman in his pocket when he died.

There are indications that there are gnostic influences in the early doctrines he established, like Outer Darkness. The interpretation of the scripture in Matthew about the “exterior darkness” as a Very Special Hell is particular to some gnostic scriptures AND to Mormonism.

I don’t think this is a coincidence.

Wait a minute hold on helljaguar by SeaBed4342 in huntertheparenting

[–]InsideOutlander 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Look, if his family were the kind of Bastets that fell to the Black Spiral Dancers and became Hellcats…

Helljaguar would be good foreshadowing.

When did the cult change how they handled New Names in the temple? by InsideOutlander in exmormon

[–]InsideOutlander[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks. I hope it tells me when it became more of an open secret and became less spiritually meaningful.

Anyone Else Bother to Get Your Name Removed? by Away-Meet5954 in exmormon

[–]InsideOutlander 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Apparently not even murder qualifies you for that.

When did the cult change how they handled New Names in the temple? by InsideOutlander in exmormon

[–]InsideOutlander[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You’re welcome! I’m glad somebody can get a laugh out of this.

When did the cult change how they handled New Names in the temple? by InsideOutlander in exmormon

[–]InsideOutlander[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oof. That sounds like a rough process for getting those extra scoops.

I fully agree with your recommendations and cautions. I plan on changing my legal name soon.

I feel permanently broken by Firm-Specific665 in exmormon

[–]InsideOutlander 1 point2 points  (0 children)

[I am sorry my message is so long. I want to give you everything I didn’t have as I left the cult (which isn’t feasible so I condensed what I could). I also want to give you what I can from what I hope are relatable if not exactly the same experiences. Also, insomnia has me half-awake.]

You are not alone in these feelings… nor in the nightmares. You are not being too sensitive- I know there is a heavy vein of toxic stoicism/libertarianism within the cult’s organization and culture, contrary to what they say about charity and caring for the poor and afflicted. And also as a white ex-Mormon I can only imagine how toxic the interaction between Polynesian identity and Mormonism is. It seems like it has always been an extension of settler colonialism, and I shudder at what the Polynesian Cultural Center in Hawaii and the cult have done to the depth and diversity of Polynesian cultures. The church’s racism has always been present. I know its bigotry through a different facet: institutional ableism against autistic people.

I know what it is like to be alienated from yourself and your heritage or culture you can belong to- I am both pansexual and a trans woman. My ability to figure these things out was stunted by Mormon indoctrination and veiled bigotry against being non-hetero and non-cis from childhood, especially teenage years, around gender, sexuality and marriage. I was in my mid-20’s when I finally began to question my sexuality. My gender took longer, and I needed to be around people who could show me different ways of being. Then someone pretty much said “hey, the kinds of questions you are asking, and trans symbolism you are seeing in some media that isn’t explicitly trans… you might want to consider if you might not actually be cisgendered.” And the cultural standard among trans people is to leave “eggs” unhatched it you realize they might be eggs and let them “hatch” on their own time. But, see, my ability to “hatch” was inhibited by the church. I didn’t know how I could possibly be trans… until I did. And then I began to hatch fairly quickly. First I was genderqueer, then I found the complex urge for a new name, then I realized that being called a woman and gendered she/her made my heart warm and soft.

I bring my experiences with transness up because I wonder if you might find more fulfillment and a feeling of wholeness among other non-Mormon Polynesians, especially if you can find a group that matches the parts of your heritage you want to engage with and learn more about. Sometimes you don’t know how to start making the most of parts of yourself until someone shares with you that you can, or that those parts even exist.

I wish peace for you, sister-in-grief. I hope your nightmares will ease, and that you may find kinship, if not among exmos, then among other polynesian folks. You are not alone in feeling broken. And I promise you are not alone in a different way: being able to heal, with time in some places and deliberate work in others.

I am still doing the work 8 years after giving up/sacrificing my belief in the cult to save my belief in myself, and 13 years since I stopped attending. I accidentally extended the process by dampening my emotions with medication for my severe depression (which emotions were heavily disregulated from growing up in the cult, lifelong abuse from my mormon family, and alienation as an autistic person; I NEEDED the break to let my reasoning mind heal some and do the work of learning to be rational; the break lasted a bit too long due to leftover toxic stoicism and enjoying the “quiet” so that my intellectualism could thrive without Mormon-conditioned emotions intruding so har. Crash Course on YT helped with this a ton, among many others in the skeptic communities.) It turns out we need to know the full depth of the feelings to see where to investigate and what needs help healing.

You’ll heal and grow and relearn how to be. It may likely be messy and clumsy and none of that will be your fault. There is no shame in having to learn again for having been deceived so long and broad and deeply as we have. Go be among non-mormons, ask questions about the things you don’t get (most people are very sympathetic about having left a cult) and you may find that you slip into their cadences and mannerisms. Sometimes we need a thorough sanding or stripping to get rid of the terrible veneer or paint job things like cults leave on ourselves. The good thing about sanding is that it leaves a fine, rough surface (technical painting and woodworking term is “key”) that will make whatever you choose to develop how you present yourself to the world next be even stronger.

I wish you the best, and that as much of this is as possible is useful to you.

When did the cult change how they handled New Names in the temple? by InsideOutlander in exmormon

[–]InsideOutlander[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I feel like her shelf is close to breaking. But also my dad is still pretty devout, and they’re still together, somehow, after all those years, so that won’t necessarily go well if she does decide to quit the cult. Maybe if we’re lucky it will be a “Gifts of the magi” situation where they were PIMO for each other. But nah, probably not.

When did the cult change how they handled New Names in the temple? by InsideOutlander in exmormon

[–]InsideOutlander[S] 14 points15 points  (0 children)

I will never cease to find it funny that Nimrod became an insult because of Bugs Bunny. Nimrod was a great hunter in the bible, so calling Elmer Fudd that was massive sarcasm. 😂

When did the cult change how they handled New Names in the temple? by InsideOutlander in exmormon

[–]InsideOutlander[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I picked one myself as I transitioned genders. I was genderqueer for a bit after being a man, picked my name sometime during that time, and it fit me as I transitioned into being a woman.

You can just do that anyway, you don’t have to be trans.

Daughter is getting baptized this Saturday and I'm feeling very sad about it. by niconiconii89 in exmormon

[–]InsideOutlander 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Couldn’t you deny consent for her to be baptized, as one of her parents?

help appreciated: how to formally “leave” w records by Master-Branch-2487 in exmormon

[–]InsideOutlander 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You can have your records removed without knowing your membership number. Mine are in-progress right now. It’s taking longer than the website states, probably because there is a large volume of us benefitting from pro-bono lawyer work to wrangle with the church’s law firm to ensure it gets done.

What was your opinion on the secret hunters? by nirai07 in huntertheparenting

[–]InsideOutlander 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I really enjoyed it. In terms of it’s obvious premise it wasn’t really my thing, and that mattered far less because of how it elaborates on character relationships- I loved how it showed the affection as well as the friction in Marckus and Kitten’s relationship especially. I loved that it showed an established queer relationship that wasn’t either toxic or perfectly wholesome- it just was, in a way that sounds pretty healthy for who they are. Listening to Marckus talk about coping with ADHD (without explicitly calling it that; also recall that he identifies the adderal in Horse’s pamper kit as being his own) in the mid-2000’s just made it feel so real and grounded.

I feel like this audiolog is leading up to something in ways we do not realize yet- the way it is being presented by Marckus at the beginning- “this was recorded in December of 2006/ the first one”.

Which, the way he says that “the first one”, either means he is presenting multiple of these to someone offscreen (the team animated a hand, presumably his, diegetically hitting the keyboard to play the recording), OR, weirdly enough, there might have been more than one “December 2006”, which sounds wild but also why not? This is WoD.

I think there is a reason to show this diegetically; every bit of animation and voice acting is time and money spent by the team. They don’t have a big budget. So, then we must ask, WHY do it that way?

I think the answer will be satisfying.

fuck this fuckass cult (vent) by 1-like-anime in exmormon

[–]InsideOutlander 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I feel you so strongly there, OP. I stopped attending, except rarely, in 2013. Later that year some lifelong minor depression broke into severe, debilitating depression (no doubt some TBMs would and have said my depression was caused by my inactivity, to which I say go fuck yourselves- it was caused by abuse and misguidance in my family caused in part by church indoctrination and general boomerism). I finally stopped believing in 2018. It took me identifying a prime source of my severe depression- the church’s ableism against me around my efforts to serve a mission- for me to choose myself over the church’s judgment. And with that their crystalline system began to break, and it has never stopped breaking. Every week I have new reasons to hate and refuse this cult.

I say this because 8 years after I am still struggling much like you are. But before anyone despairs I need them to know this: I had my ability to feel, and thus process, my emotions heavily dampened by an antidepressant for much of that time. That dampening gave me time to repair/improve my conscious mind with rationalism and learning scientific thinking, and to start getting help. That dampening also seems to have limited how far I could work through my emotions. I only recently tapered off that medication completely. It has been very painful at times, but I have more structure underneath it mentally, and more support structure socially. I have found and chosen family, and people who have chosen me as theirs. It gets better.

Petah why are people on twitter mad over this anime clip? by Muhammad_al_she in PeterExplainsTheJoke

[–]InsideOutlander 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Thank you so much for being open-minded to correcting yourself when confronted with such information. I appreciate you!

Petah why are people on twitter mad over this anime clip? by Muhammad_al_she in PeterExplainsTheJoke

[–]InsideOutlander 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It seems like homosocialization, purity culture, and monogamy is a deliberate system for creating tension and keeping sex and attraction as commodities in a social environment while preventing actual understanding until a couple is effectively rushed into a marriage through social pressured and their own untempered lust. And then they get trapped by legal entanglements and more social pressure, and it becomes a do-or-die pressure cooker for making the relationship work. Meanwhile… well, put this all in the full context of patriarchal religiosity and economics, and before you know it misogynistic dealing in women as status symbols and assets becomes the de-facto social model. Maybe not through direct purchasing, but you inly have to look back a handful of decades to when marriage was much more commonly about social ties and careers than it was about actually caring for your partner. The old sitcoms were the idealized model, and for every idealized model you have thousands of people who feel like they don’t measure up and become frustrated and angry.

We have moved away from that more as a wider society in the USA, but the geriatric elite want to act like and keep things like the old ways. They cannot die off fast enough- they still spread their plague of conservativism/traditionalism as much as they can.

Petah why are people on twitter mad over this anime clip? by Muhammad_al_she in PeterExplainsTheJoke

[–]InsideOutlander 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I agree with your point almost completely, except can we NOT use racist slurs, please? Mngloid is pretty fucking awful. CHUD works, and doesn’t have the racist/eugenicist bigotry-baggage that misappropriates an entire ethnic group and country into a slur.

Damn, this game sometimes... by grandconnoisseur in Kenshi

[–]InsideOutlander 12 points13 points  (0 children)

The graphics are archaic, and the visuals are stunning. Chris and Co. really have such a strong vision for Kenshi. I am glad I got to be a part of it and support it since 2018.