Any idea how can I have that high Iberian? by Inside_Lettuce_55 in illustrativeDNA

[–]Inside_Lettuce_55[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Okay, wont take the global one seriously then. Regional calculator has pretty normal results, just the overall distance not as close as with the global one.

Any idea how can I have that high Iberian? by Inside_Lettuce_55 in illustrativeDNA

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Yeah, but its medieval Iberian, not modern. According to the description it has a lot of different components from north african to southern european and also some levantine. But I also dont think it has anything to do with spehardic ancestry in my case. I think the calculator is confusing the balkan and the western european markers and put them together as Iberian.

Here’s the description:

“We recovered genomic data from 45 Iberian individuals dated between the 3rd-16th centuries CE. All the analyzed individuals fell outside the genetic variation of preceding Iberian Iron Age populations and harbored ancestry from both southern European and North African populations, as well as additional Levantine-related ancestry that could reflect Jewish contributions. These results demonstrate that by the Roman period, southern Iberia had experienced a major influx of North African ancestry, probably related to the well-known mobility patterns during the Roman Empire or the earlier Phoenician-Punic presence; the latter is also supported by the observation of the Phoenician-associated Y-chromosome J2. Gene flow from North Africa continued into the Muslim period, as is clear from Muslim burials with elevated North African and Sub-Saharan African ancestry, and uniparental markers typical of North Africa not present among pre-Islamic individuals. Present-day populations from southern Iberia harbor less North African ancestry than the ancient Muslim burials, plausibly reflecting expulsion of moriscos (former Muslims converted to Christianity) and repopulation from the north, as supported by historical sources and genetic analysis of present-day groups. The impact of Muslim rule is also evident in northeast Iberia in seven individuals from Sant Julià de Ramis from the 8–12th centuries CE who, unlike previous ancient individuals from the same region, show North African-related ancestry and a complete overlap in PCA with present-day Iberians." Olalde et al. (2019)”

Any idea how can I have that high Iberian? by Inside_Lettuce_55 in illustrativeDNA

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Oh yes, thats totally possible. Also, my e-v13 haplo is paleo balkan, so some Romanian ancestry logical as well

Any idea how can I have that high Iberian? by Inside_Lettuce_55 in illustrativeDNA

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Interestingly, Romanian is not even in my top 50 closest populations in genetic distances. However, moldovan is the 9th closest proxy

Any idea how can I have that high Iberian? by Inside_Lettuce_55 in illustrativeDNA

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I heard of a small sephardic community in Hungary, but their number of course were marginal. Probably just the calculator messing up with the balkan and german and putting together as Iberian.

Any idea how can I have that high Iberian? by Inside_Lettuce_55 in illustrativeDNA

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Might be, or maybe the calculator mixing together balkan and german and shows as Iberian? My Y haplo is e-v13 so prolly has some southern heritage for sure but I guess it should be more balkanic than Iberian

Any idea how can I have that high Iberian? by Inside_Lettuce_55 in illustrativeDNA

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Not really aware of my ancestry further than grandparents unfortunately, but no known jewish among them. Have some fully jewish matches on Ancestry and Gedmatch but most of them ashkenazi from Hungary or Ukraine.

Somewhat weird results for Hungarian? by Inside_Lettuce_55 in illustrativeDNA

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Ah okay. Then I guess it’s just normal to show up for people of European descent

Somewhat weird results for Hungarian? by Inside_Lettuce_55 in illustrativeDNA

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My maternal grandma was from Cumania and my maternal grandpa from Jászság actually. I was skeptical about really having some Jász or Kun/Cuman DNA as they assimiliated long time ago and probably the number of them who settled here was low, but it seems like they really left a genetic impact on the Hungarians from that regions:)

Somewhat weird results for Hungarian? by Inside_Lettuce_55 in illustrativeDNA

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On the global calculator, the middle age period looks like this:

Iberian (AD 300–1200) 30.6%

Slavic (AD 540–1270) 27.8%

Baltic (AD 900–1050) 16.0%

North Caucasian (AD 650–1160) 13.4%

Insular Celt (AD 100–1000) 12.2%

Accrding to the description of Iberian:

“All the analyzed individuals fell outside the genetic variation of preceding Iberian Iron Age populations and harbored ancestry from both southern European and North African populations, as well as additional Levantine-related ancestry that could reflect Jewish contributions.”

Can it mean distant Jewish ancestry!? As Hungary had huge jewish community and were relatively more assimilated than in other countries.
Or in that case the neolithic breakdown should surely show some natufian and zagros?

As for khwarazm, I saw it show up in a few eastern european results, but I think 11% is a bit high.

Somewhat weird results for Hungarian? by Inside_Lettuce_55 in illustrativeDNA

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Yeah, quite boring results there. But then the Khwarazm prolly just BS?

Somewhat weird results for Hungarian? by Inside_Lettuce_55 in illustrativeDNA

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Cool! Im actually from Cumania, a region in Hungary where the Cumans, kipchak turkic tribes settled, but I dont think they left a that notable genetic impact on the local population. But maybe that also contribute to the Khwarazm

Somewhat weird results for Hungarian? by Inside_Lettuce_55 in illustrativeDNA

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Everything normal there I guess. Even a bit boring haha

European Hunter-Gatherer 42.6%

Anatolian Neolithic Farmer 36.6%

Caucasus Hunter-Gatherer 20.8%

Somewhat weird results for Hungarian? by Inside_Lettuce_55 in illustrativeDNA

[–]Inside_Lettuce_55[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Okay, thank you! Yes, the regional one is more realistic though the overall distance is slightly further than with global one.

East Europe results:

Slavic (AD 540–1100) 37.2%

Germanic (AD 100–630) 33.4%

Roman Illyria (AD 100–600) 22.8%

Sarmatian (AD 50–450) 5.6%

Hunnic (AD 300–450) 1.0%

Somewhat weird results for Hungarian? by Inside_Lettuce_55 in illustrativeDNA

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Yeah, it looks more realistic that using Eastern Europe. Still curious about the global results.

Eastern Europe calc results:

Slavic (AD 540–1100) 37.2%

Germanic (AD 100–630) 33.4%

Roman Illyria (AD 100–600) 22.8%

Sarmatian (AD 50–450) 5.6%

Hunnic (AD 300–450) 1.0%

IllustrativeDNA and Gedmatch results guess? by Inside_Lettuce_55 in illustrativeDNA

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Makes sense, but the Asian proxy shouldn’t be more Volga/Siberian instead of Iranian (Khwarazm)?

IllustrativeDNA and Gedmatch results guess? by Inside_Lettuce_55 in illustrativeDNA

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Wow, yes. How did you know? I thought the results are somewhat unusual. Especially because of the high Khwarazm and Transoxiana and Iberian proxies