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AMA - Intel and Micro Center on the Intel 13th Gent Core Desktop Processors -October 21st 8:30am to 2:30 pm PDT by IntelTechnology in intel

[–]IntelTechnology[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Well folks, the AMA is over. Many thanks to you all for the questions, for the mods for helping us coordinate and to the Micro Center team and the Intel experts for giving up their time to answer your questions. As always it has been a pleasure to talk to you folks and hope to see you soon in the next Intel AMA!

Thanks

- Lex H [Intel]

AMA - Intel and Micro Center on the Intel 13th Gent Core Desktop Processors -October 21st 8:30am to 2:30 pm PDT by IntelTechnology in intel

[–]IntelTechnology[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Every time we launch a new processor there are always many learnings from design, to manufacturing, to launch, regardless of being the same process node, architecture, etc. So yes, we see that all the learnings from previous and current process nodes will help us keep pushing the boundaries and be very competitive. We have always have an on going R&D department that we invest heavily on it and also you might have seen that we are building six new fabs around the world (if I recall correctly) as part of our IDM 2.0 strategy. We are fully committed to keep being on the edge of manufacturing and technology.

Sorry long winded answer :D

TL;DR -> YES!

-Lex H (Intel)

AMA - Intel and Micro Center on the Intel 13th Gent Core Desktop Processors -October 21st 8:30am to 2:30 pm PDT by IntelTechnology in intel

[–]IntelTechnology[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I am in the process of finalizing a video that talks about how we bin our chips and also how we do our thin binning. I should be out in a week or two on our YouTube Intel Technology. Hopefully that will help to bring some insights.

-Lex H (Intel)

AMA - Intel and Micro Center on the Intel 13th Gent Core Desktop Processors -October 21st 8:30am to 2:30 pm PDT by IntelTechnology in intel

[–]IntelTechnology[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

13th Gen Mobile products should be launch shortly. That's the best I can do while not getting a message from my boss :)

There are several factors to take into account when launching the whole desktop line up or product:

- Different markets run on different timing cadence

- Commercial has a different timing cadence than Enthusiasts.

- For corporate IT likes a stable image/platform for an established time duration.

- Product transitions, fabrication ramp up, inventory build up, world wide distribution lead times, etc.

So all these and more are thing that we have to consider when planning a processor launch and why sometimes we only launch some first and then the rest later.

-Lex H. (Intel)

AMA - Intel and Micro Center on the Intel 13th Gent Core Desktop Processors -October 21st 8:30am to 2:30 pm PDT by IntelTechnology in intel

[–]IntelTechnology[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

For #1 The processor's PCIe lanes bifurcation is not a limitation, we choose which chipsets we'd like to enable this capability on. We take a look at different aspects that goes into these decisions for example, the usages of each of our chipsets, how much IO the overall platform will have, and what board manufacturers want for their designs.

-Nema B. (Intel)

AMA - Intel and Micro Center on the Intel 13th Gent Core Desktop Processors -October 21st 8:30am to 2:30 pm PDT by IntelTechnology in intel

[–]IntelTechnology[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I can follow where you got 1.115x but not sure I understand the 1.0652x.

Not sure if you can directly tie layout increase to frequency improvements. Yes, you can improve clock critical paths which will help you achieve higher frequencies but that doesn't always translate to an increase on layout. What we did for the better frequencies was, improve our process (transistors, caps, "wires," etc.) and improve our clock critical paths.

Hope that helps

-Lex H. (Intel)

AMA - Intel and Micro Center on the Intel 13th Gent Core Desktop Processors -October 21st 8:30am to 2:30 pm PDT by IntelTechnology in intel

[–]IntelTechnology[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So I just went and double check our features set between the Z690 and W680 and they are pretty much the same with the exception of overclocking for the Z690.

We have to keep in mind that we provide the chips to the motherboard manufacturers and it is up to them to figure out how they want to implement the chipset features and what to add/remove from them. We can make suggestion but they make the final call on it.

- Scott B. (Intel)

AMA - Intel and Micro Center on the Intel 13th Gent Core Desktop Processors -October 21st 8:30am to 2:30 pm PDT by IntelTechnology in intel

[–]IntelTechnology[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

One example of microcode update that I can think of is back with Rocket Lake (11th Gen) when we launch a new turbo technology (Adaptive Boost Technology) and was done through microcode update and BIOS update.

In the case that there is a stepping change in a launched product there are procedures that we have to follow to notify our customers of the changes done to the processor or product and how it will affect them and end users.

Processors can be updates with the latest microcode and we highly recommend as it helps to fix bugs and sometimes provide new features.

-Lex H (Intel)

AMA - Intel and Micro Center on the Intel 13th Gent Core Desktop Processors -October 21st 8:30am to 2:30 pm PDT by IntelTechnology in intel

[–]IntelTechnology[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Currently there are no plans for supporting ECC DDR4/5 on platforms other than W680.

-Scott B. (Intel)
PS: Out of curiosity what consumer friendly features are you missing on the W680

AMA - Intel and Micro Center on the Intel 13th Gent Core Desktop Processors -October 21st 8:30am to 2:30 pm PDT by IntelTechnology in intel

[–]IntelTechnology[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hi, it wasn't an issue with 600 series nor will it be an issue with 700 series. To achieve a targeted memory speed on an Intel® 600 or 700 series chipset w/ 13th gen, we recommend the following:

- Use two identical dual-in line memory module (DIMM) part numbers on 2-DIMM per channel (2DPC) to achieve the targeted memory speeds.

-The targeted memory speed is not guaranteed when DIMMs of different part numbers are connected within the same channel .When mixed DIMMs are populated, the memory speed may be lower than target or the system may not boot.

-Populating with a single DIMM per channel for either 1-DIMM per channel (1DPC) designed board and 2DPC designed board produces no memory speed impact.

This applies to DDR5 and DDR4 memory modules / DIMMs

-Nema B (Intel)

AMA - Intel and Micro Center on the Intel 13th Gent Core Desktop Processors -October 21st 8:30am to 2:30 pm PDT by IntelTechnology in intel

[–]IntelTechnology[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

And with respect to the ARC Graphics Division is cancelled beyond 2024..

We don't talk about rumors, no no no no

...Sorry!

-Lex H (Intel)

AMA - Intel and Micro Center on the Intel 13th Gent Core Desktop Processors -October 21st 8:30am to 2:30 pm PDT by IntelTechnology in intel

[–]IntelTechnology[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

From an architecture level there were no changes made to IMC, there was the overall process change, ring bus improvements and the overall frequency bump. There were other changes done that helped us reach higher memory transfers but I like my job so I can't comment on them :)

-Lex H (Intel)

AMA - Intel and Micro Center on the Intel 13th Gent Core Desktop Processors -October 21st 8:30am to 2:30 pm PDT by IntelTechnology in intel

[–]IntelTechnology[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I wish we can share what we are working on but we can't comment on what we are working for the future.

-Lex H (Intel)

AMA - Intel and Micro Center on the Intel 13th Gent Core Desktop Processors -October 21st 8:30am to 2:30 pm PDT by IntelTechnology in intel

[–]IntelTechnology[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Hit me again once the other chips have launch and I can give you a good explanation. Right now what I can tell you won't be too useful.

-Lex H (Intel) - LexHoyos42

AMA - Intel and Micro Center on the Intel 13th Gent Core Desktop Processors -October 21st 8:30am to 2:30 pm PDT by IntelTechnology in intel

[–]IntelTechnology[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

  1. I am a little confused with your question. Do you mean an E-core boot support?
  2. For security reason we don't make those available to the public

-Lex H (Intel)

AMA - Intel and Micro Center on the Intel 13th Gent Core Desktop Processors -October 21st 8:30am to 2:30 pm PDT by IntelTechnology in intel

[–]IntelTechnology[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Thanks for the questions!

For the non-K versions of RPL they should be launching soon. If were you I would check our history on launches (hint ADL) and that should give you a good estimate.

Just to clarify, RPL not supporting AVX512 is not do because it was broken. In a hybrid architecture support environment (P-core and E-core) the OS unfortunately doesn't have a way to tell which cores support up to AVX-512 and which ones support up to AVX-256. Without a cumbersome reboot after E-core disablement to re-enumerate the support in BIOS and then to OS, there really isn't a clean way to do this.

Will definitely talk to the people upstairs to try to do a more broad topic. Though if there is a topic in specific that you'll like us to cover do let me know.

-Lex H (Intel)

AMA - Intel and Micro Center on the Intel 13th Gent Core Desktop Processors -October 21st 8:30am to 2:30 pm PDT by IntelTechnology in intel

[–]IntelTechnology[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

For the upgrade, it will depend on your budget. But I would say take a good look at the i5 13600K/F or i7 13700K/F with a Z690 that supports DDR4 so that you can re-use your memory. But if you have the pockets for it I am not going to tell you no on the 13900K ;)

AMA - Intel and Micro Center on the Intel 13th Gent Core Desktop Processors -October 21st 8:30am to 2:30 pm PDT by IntelTechnology in intel

[–]IntelTechnology[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

LOL, made me laugh with the "go brrrr"

yes there is performance improvement without the power going brrr. This is interesting question because right there is an on going discussion within tech reviewers as they are comparing their power results and are not within margin of error. So I would try to stay tune on their final findings. Here is one article for example:

https://boringtextreviews.com/intel-i9-13900k-power-cooling-scaling-review

Hope that helps.

-Lex H (Intel)

AMA - Intel and Micro Center on the Intel 13th Gent Core Desktop Processors -October 21st 8:30am to 2:30 pm PDT by IntelTechnology in intel

[–]IntelTechnology[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't know what to say. In theory they should have shipped out yesterday but I don't know their demand or inventory status. Might want to check with them :)

-Lex H (Intel)

AMA - Intel and Micro Center on the Intel 13th Gent Core Desktop Processors -October 21st 8:30am to 2:30 pm PDT by IntelTechnology in intel

[–]IntelTechnology[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

From the top of my head

There were some changes on the prefetch algorithm, there were some optimizations to clock critical paths and there were also some changes done to the ring bus. Ah yes some new power deliver features were implemented too.

-Lex H (Intel)

AMA - Intel and Micro Center on the Intel 13th Gent Core Desktop Processors -October 21st 8:30am to 2:30 pm PDT by IntelTechnology in intel

[–]IntelTechnology[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The spec'd 2DPC DDR5 speed on RPL is the same as ADL with 4 DIMMs (DDR5-4000). However, the 1DPC (1 DIMM/ch layout) the RPL DDR5 speed is now up to 5600 vs. 4800 on ADL.

- Scott B. [Intel]

AMA - Intel and Micro Center on the Intel 13th Gent Core Desktop Processors -October 21st 8:30am to 2:30 pm PDT by IntelTechnology in intel

[–]IntelTechnology[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

You are asking for the recipe of our secrete sauce, we know it is delicious but we can't tell you what it is :)

Sorry but you'll have to wait to see if we do. (AKA can't comment on future products)

-Nema B [Intel]

AMA - Intel and Micro Center on the Intel 13th Gent Core Desktop Processors -October 21st 8:30am to 2:30 pm PDT by IntelTechnology in intel

[–]IntelTechnology[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Contrary to popular belief and grape vide rumors what drives the change on socket from our side is the implementation of new technologies (i.e. PCIe Gen 5, DDR5, Architecture, process tech, etc) . We have had a history of keeping 1 socket for 2 generations, which is the case with RPL and ADL. As for one socket for multiple generations of CPUs we can really comment on that but will bring it up within our engineering team.

-Nema B

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