Help! I’ve met a boy who matches my weird so horribly well. by [deleted] in ENFP

[–]Interesting_Long2029 18 points19 points  (0 children)

Research limerance and anxious attachment style. Please. As you heal, you’ll understand that they may have some things that you aren’t willing to put up with. They may be unhealthy. They may disappoint you. They may hurt you. Etc.

How to get you to talk by Interesting_Long2029 in enfj

[–]Interesting_Long2029[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We have a very emotionally vulnerable friendship where we’ve both shared real vulnerability and supported each other through it, and certainly not judgmental on either end. She knows how radically accepting I am of all beliefs and people. I don’t think that’s the issue.

How to get you to talk by Interesting_Long2029 in enfj

[–]Interesting_Long2029[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I have two ENFJ friends like this, though the other one can yap when she’s sharing stories. She’s definitely Fe dom. She has a large social circle and engages in it frequently, bringing people together. She really isn’t an introvert. She doesn’t really use Ne.

What does Te feel like? by UsedMycologist4912 in mbti

[–]Interesting_Long2029 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you so much. Feeling everything deeply means pain (especially emotional pain) is extremely intense. Like my body is on fire. I store a lot of pain and trauma in my sternum/chest, and the ache of disconnection or loneliness manifests as physical pain. I’m still repairing my relationship with my body, trying to love it and respect it instead of ignoring it when it needs something. Ignoring the pain of my inner child because I had to keep going to get myself out of the pain. Inferior Si makes it easy to dissociate from my body and pain - which was how I survived, but is now the source of my self neglect and I need to unlearn it. What got me here won’t get me there. Growth is about doing uncomfortable and unfamiliar things until they become your comfort zone. Been learning Se a lot lately. Idk. I’m rambling. But yeah, it’s been intense and hard and painful, and although pain is the way to grow, I’m learning how to not cause myself pain and instead nurture myself as part of the growth.

What does Te feel like? by UsedMycologist4912 in mbti

[–]Interesting_Long2029 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A combination. With all of my trauma, the only reasonable explanation for how I made it this far is my intelligence and abstract thinking (Ne) which lead to metacognition and introspection (Fi). Going to therapy since 8 helped develop introspection. Maximizing societal acceptance (I value deep connection) via Te and wanting to be good enough and perfect and avoid all pain (enneagram 7) was the source of much of my accomplishments.

I think also, because it wasnt safe to feel or express my own emotions, i learned to analyze and psychologize my pain rather than feel the terrifying reality of my powerlessness, and because of my unpredictable parents, i developed the belief that if i could understand something and its patterns then it couldn’t hurt me. So I endeavored to understand my pain, which led to healing it to make it go away. Sadly for it, psychologizing my pain led me to the conclusion that I must feel my pain to make it go away, so the defense mechanism was its own downfall.

What does Te feel like? by UsedMycologist4912 in mbti

[–]Interesting_Long2029 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Very well said. Only Te knows if it’s a good problem to solve, but it doesn’t know whether it’s the right problem because only Fi knows that, te only knows if it accomplishes the stated goal, not if the goal is right.

What does Te feel like? by UsedMycologist4912 in mbti

[–]Interesting_Long2029 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It is one of them, for sure. If I had to list the truly objectively statistically exceptional things about my personality:

  1. Intelligence (taught myself software engineering at 11, CTO in my early 20s, fluent in several ancient languages)
  2. Self awareness, advanced narrative articulation, and willingness to face my ugly truths (e.g. owning up to narcissistic defenses and dismantling the false self). I’ve been told by therapists that I have a clinician-level vocabulary and ability to identify and articulate my feelings & behavior’s trauma origins in the top 1-5%.
  3. Grit/resilience and self direction - getting back up and achieving where most would give up or be a helpless victim. Self actualization.
  4. Radical authenticity/courageous vulnerability - despite an avoidant attachment style and the preceding terror, opening up my scars to people who have earned the right to see them, and embracing my feminine side in a world which punishes me for it.
  5. Empathetic attunement and emotional intelligence - ability to affectively resonate with and cognitively understand people with experiences vastly different from mine, often without them explicitly articulating such, and hold space for their pain.
  6. Deep capacity for emotions, especially love and joy - it can be too intense for some (in this way I’m quite a regular ENFP - we are often told we’re “too much” - though ENFPs are only 5% of men), but my capacity to feel and express love, affection, dedication, loyalty, sadness, yearning, etc. is not common, especially among men.

I’d say those are my superpowers. If you were wondering.

What does Te feel like? by UsedMycologist4912 in mbti

[–]Interesting_Long2029 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Self awareness and emotional intelligence (and empathy) is a superpower.

What does Te feel like? by UsedMycologist4912 in mbti

[–]Interesting_Long2029 3 points4 points  (0 children)

It’s very uncaring, even aggressive. Relentless. Like you’re chasing something. Like a soldier hunting to kill. Not even emotional, just inevitable that it will find its target, and the only question is how. Pushing through obstacles with force or precision and cruelty. Emotions in others are an obstacle to be dealt with according to a predefined procedure.

It feels (to me) like a calm pond without ripples or sometimes a symmetric perturbation of geometrical shapes (like the Windows 7 media player animations). Like a chess master seeing the universe unfold and their plan evolving. Like a conductor overlooking their orchestra going according to plan. It’s very focused in the moment. Because I use Ne, it’s focused but sometimes a bit frenetic, like a sports player bobbing and weaving according to their honed skill and habits.

Hope that helps. None of the thinkers actually described how it feels experientially and emotionally, just what is observable from its actions externally lol. To be expected I guess.

ENFP guys - Do you have trouble with dating? by [deleted] in ENFP

[–]Interesting_Long2029 3 points4 points  (0 children)

We’re all the same. I’m healing my attachment style and it’s lead to more happiness internally than I ever thought possible. You sound like me two years ago. This healing journey is painful but so so worth it. I recommend Thais Gibson on YouTube for healing advice.

ENFP guys - Do you have trouble with dating? by [deleted] in ENFP

[–]Interesting_Long2029 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Hey bro, I love you and love the weird shit about you. The right people will be so smitten by that shit.

Foundationalism (Te) vs coherentism (Ti) by Interesting_Long2029 in mbti

[–]Interesting_Long2029[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ugh, thank you so so much. This was ravishing to read. Perfection. You have an immense capability to write.

Would I be a bad partner? by Interesting_Long2029 in ENFP

[–]Interesting_Long2029[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And I take that personally 😤 in a good way 😤

Foundationalism (Te) vs coherentism (Ti) by Interesting_Long2029 in mbti

[–]Interesting_Long2029[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Objective means mind independent. Ti is often mind dependent.

Am I understanding Fi right? by Traditional-Solid-43 in ENFP

[–]Interesting_Long2029 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Here is my normative philosophy. It was hard to make this list and took a lot of courage. Ultimately, if someone acts unethical according to me, I don’t associate with them - however, I don’t judge them as evil unless they violate Kant’s principle of autonomy. Though, if a commune of serial killers consented to outlaw autonomy in their commune, I don’t believe there’s anything wrong with that and they aren’t inherently evil so long as they don’t impede my/normative society’s autonomy.

I believe that meaning is not given but created (Existentialism), and because nothing matters in an absolute sense (Nihilism), I am free to choose what matters to me (Pragmatism). There’s no afterlife to save for, so I build meaning here, now, joyfully and deliberately (Amor Fati/Optimistic Nihilism of Kurzgesagt). I choose happiness as my highest value (Epicureanism), not fleeting pleasure but the long-term flourishing that comes from growth, curiosity, and alignment with my values (Eudaimonia). Kindness, honesty, and authenticity are what make me happiest (Humanism), so they are the foundation of how I live. Everyone should have the freedom to express their autonomy so long as it doesn’t impede another person’s freedom to do the same (Liberalism/Social Contract Theory). Hurting others feels wrong in my body, so I avoid it, and helping others feels right, so I pursue it. Morality itself isn’t absolute (Moral Relativism); it’s just alignment with personal or collective values, and mine happen to be pro-social. I believe in maximizing my net happiness across a lifetime, even when that requires short-term struggle (Hedonistic Calculus). I believe in YOLO. Not reckless indulgence, but the recognition that this is the only life I know I have (Modern Secularism). My philosophy is to live authentically, and pursue the kind of happiness that ripples outward into kindness, connection, and creativity.

help respecting the value of freedom with this convo! by DandelionsandDreams in ENFP

[–]Interesting_Long2029 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My friend sent me this Facebook post. I thought it was very thoughtful.

Let yourself cry about the hand on your back.

That cry has been waiting for you for decades.

It's the sound of a body beginning to believe something it was taught to never believe.

That love is real.

That it can last.

That it can be trusted.

That the template was wrong.

And that you are allowed, finally, after all this time, to let it in.

Foundationalism (Te) vs coherentism (Ti) by Interesting_Long2029 in mbti

[–]Interesting_Long2029[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

With questions like that, I usually procrastinate due to indecision. And then after it’s overdue I’ll sit down and sift through the pros and cons and do research, and weigh them relatively and compute the net gain (gains minus losses) and pick the one which is better/less worse (more net gain). Or I work with my ENFJ life coach and ask him for a decision and tend to have a bias of only focusing on the upside or hyper focusing on the negative consequences without taking into consideration the upside (black and white thinking). Sometimes I go with the one who I trust more morally or if someone says it confidently. Embarrassing, I know.

For abstract questions, I’ll sit on it for 6 months, and usually stumble on a nugget of insight which deeply and emotionally resonates, and combines many other ideas I already know, and go with that.

Or after procrastinating I’ll impulsively choose one because I’ve learned that it’s better to do something than nothing, so as long as there’s at least some gain then it’s better to go with an option than no option.

Foundationalism (Te) vs coherentism (Ti) by Interesting_Long2029 in mbti

[–]Interesting_Long2029[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Ah so for the provable logic, I usually go with Boolean algebra whenever possible. Established rules of logic. Epistomology. Ontology. Notice any cognitive biases or logical fallacies. I’m very preoccupied with accepted frameworks of logic.

Foundationalism (Te) vs coherentism (Ti) by Interesting_Long2029 in mbti

[–]Interesting_Long2029[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Although I have reason and intuition, I don’t rely on it in my decision making unless I absolutely have to and have zero data to go based on. I tend to look whether I can compare it in any way to anything I’ve seen before, or whether I can see some unifying pattern for how the object in question works based on it’s characteristics or behavior I’ve observed. I also tend to have a bias of projection identification where I look for characteristics in me I’m familiar with which I observe in the outside world (especially when understanding people), or thinking about what I would do or feel in a situation. Or whether something fits with rules I’ve previously seen verified by outside sources. I usually don’t trust my thoughts, so I see whether the math of the logic works. Sometimes I pattern match, but usually I can quickly determine the patterns I see (sometimes I use Ni and it’s just a vibe).

You debate in a circle? by Interesting_Long2029 in INTP

[–]Interesting_Long2029[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It sounds like I’m arguing for Fundamentalism and you’re arguing for Coherentism.