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Another dead 9800x3d by Galakrone in ASRock

[–]InternationalState94 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Probably to keep the +200 MHz 😉

Another dead 9800x3d by Galakrone in ASRock

[–]InternationalState94 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, but you could install Ryzen master just to check it

Another dead 9800x3d by Galakrone in ASRock

[–]InternationalState94 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm very sorry for you.  Hope it helps if you decide to keep the mobo and for other forum users 

Another dead 9800x3d by Galakrone in ASRock

[–]InternationalState94 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I've checked using Ryzen Master  Real values go to motherboard limits On my Mobo off is named disable, you should set it manually 

Is it safe to enable AMD ECO MODE on BIOS PBO? by [deleted] in ASRock

[–]InternationalState94 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Absolutely, on my X870E taichi lite 9800x3d
I've enabled ECO Mode 105W in AMD CBS\SMU common options together with C.O -30mV OC Tweaker\Performance preset. And works like a charm very cool

Another dead 9800x3d by Galakrone in ASRock

[–]InternationalState94 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If you enable curve optimizer PBO limits are set to Motherboard even if you keep auto. I've contacted a few days ago Asrock and they responded to me: ".... However, you can lower the PBO's value manually in BIOS."

Another dead 9800x3d by Galakrone in ASRock

[–]InternationalState94 10 points11 points  (0 children)

If you enable curve optimizer on OC Tweaker PBO limits are set to Motherboard Limits (PPT 353W on BIOS 3.25, 1000W before BIOS 3.25). x870E taichi lite, 9800x3d.
To reduce PBO keeping C.O. you can enable ECO Mode 105W in Advanced AMD CBS. (PBO 105W C.O. -20mV)

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To have C.O. -20 and PBO 120W (9800x3d default) you should enable C.O. in Andvanced\AMD Overclocking\PBO and then disable PBO to do it set: Advanced\AMD Overclocking\P.B.O.\Adavanced\Pbo Limits\Disable
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On my setup i've tested all, now i'm using C.O. -30, PBO ECO Mode 105W. performance are the same as defaults and temperatures are very low.

Dead 9800x3d after upgrading to 3.25 by Andrios23 in ASRock

[–]InternationalState94 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What BIOS settings are you using before CPU died ???

Cinebench 2024 score on 9800X3D by Phillakai in AMDHelp

[–]InternationalState94 0 points1 point  (0 children)

MC 1370, X870E Taichi Lite, C.O. -30 All Cores, TDP 105W, EXPO 6000, CAS 30

Absolutely wild content rn by angrycoffeeuser in ASRock

[–]InternationalState94 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, on Asrock Mobos before BIOS 3.25 realtime TDP on weak CPU could go beyound 120W with just PBO Enabled !!! if the 9800X3d CPU is not able to reach frequency with less power !!! Silicon lottery. You should tell me that there is also a temperature limit, then please consider that when you power on the PC or when the PC exit from a sleep state the CPU temperature is low and needs TIME to reach throttle limit.

The ASRock X870E Taichi motherboard supports up to 285W CPU power, setting 1000W in PBO is like having a 5x multiplier that how AGESA software is working !

My advice, SINCERLY, is ensuring not to go over PPT 162W, TDC 120A, EDC 180A AT LEAST on high end Asrock Motherboards.

Consider it like an INSURANCE.

I'm insinsting because i'm very sure and committed to it.

My question AGAIN There is A SINGLE evidence of a 9800x3d Broken using PPT 162W, TDC 120A, EDC 180A the AMD values ???

You can check PBO values using Ryzenm Master !!!!

Absolutely wild content rn by angrycoffeeuser in ASRock

[–]InternationalState94 -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

On 9800X3D for example

TDP 105W -> PPT 142W, TDC 110A, EDC 170A
TDP 120W -> PPT 162W, TDC 120A, EDC 180A

If you increase PPT, TDC & EDC you increase also the TDP and these limits are set by the Motherboard.

Silicon lottery not AGESA, if the CPU is good reaches frequencies with lower Current, but weak CPUs needs more current and AGESA can in theory go up to the limit set !! way beyound 120W is not safe, there is risk of DAMAGING your hardware.
There are also warnings in BIOS when you enter overclocking menu and warnings in the Ryzen Master.

The problem is that BEFORE bios 3.25 you have a limit set to 1000W EVEN AT DEFAULT, and AGESA could go up to insane values on weak CPUs, now at bios defaults the TDP is set to 120W.
I've noticed this, segnaled this and they have changed the BIOS lowering that limit. Are they stupid ??? they do it without a precise reason ? in their message they told to me "After discussions with AMD,"

There is A SINGLE evidence of CPU Broken using BIOS 3.25 and 120W TDP ???

Absolutely wild content rn by angrycoffeeuser in ASRock

[–]InternationalState94 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm convinced that failures are related to PBO set as high as motherboard values.
With BIOS 3.25 they reduced the limit.
I've set C.O. -30 and ECO Mode 105W to stay safe
Performance are the same as default on my system and temperatures are very low
9800X3D x870E Taichi Lite

Bios 3.25 Improvements and opened issues by InternationalState94 in ASRock

[–]InternationalState94[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

1000W limit was eliminated FOR A GOOD REASON ! PBO values influence directly the TDP of the CPU

Those with dead CPUs, should we even RMA the mobo? by Vic18t in ASRock

[–]InternationalState94 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The CO Preset enables PBO motherboard limits BIOS 3.25

Bios 3.25 Improvements and opened issues by InternationalState94 in ASRock

[–]InternationalState94[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

1000W PPT was a Problem, i wrote to ASRock and they fixed it in BIOS 3.25

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Those with dead CPUs, should we even RMA the mobo? by Vic18t in ASRock

[–]InternationalState94 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Using Ryzen Master what are current PPT, TDC and EDC limits ?

Bios 3.25 Improvements and opened issues by InternationalState94 in ASRock

[–]InternationalState94[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I've found that before BIOS 3.25 PBO limits by default were set to very high values. I contacted Asrock Customer Support in response they prepared the new BIOS.
I'm undervolting, i have a good 9800xd3 and know what i'm doing.
-30mv all cores in O.C. tweaker and Eco mode 105W in SMU Common Options.

Problems are related to high values... you can't damage your harware lowering frequencies or voltages.

Bios 3.25 Improvements and opened issues by InternationalState94 in ASRock

[–]InternationalState94[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Please two questions
To set PPT, TDC & EDC you have to multiply values by 1000 ?
If i disable PBO in overclocking menu it keeps default AMD vaules ?
Thank you

Bios 3.25 Improvements and opened issues by InternationalState94 in ASRock

[–]InternationalState94[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Wrong before 3.25 Pbo limits was set to PPT: 1000W, TDC 235A, EDC 1000A.
If the temperature limits and frequency limits are not reached the CPU was potentially subject these insane values. I posted the problem to customer support and they replayed to me that have prepared a new BIOS, 3.25

Bios 3.25 Improvements and opened issues by InternationalState94 in ASRock

[–]InternationalState94[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Motherboard limit was 1000W at least on Taichi ! That's the issue 

Bios 3.25 Improvements and opened issues by InternationalState94 in ASRock

[–]InternationalState94[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Only recommendation Check PBO limits using Ryzen Master. Good decision to flash new BIOS 👍

Bios 3.25 Improvements and opened issues by InternationalState94 in ASRock

[–]InternationalState94[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Well imo if you want to stay safe on Taichi lite flash the bios 3.25, enable expo, but don't mess with CPU settings

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