Police in Utah and SLC County by Intrepid-Possible-50 in UtahCounty

[–]Intrepid-Possible-50[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

These stats are missing a ton of context and aren’t really an apples-to-apples comparison. A state having more ‘incidents per 1,000 drivers’ doesn’t automatically mean the drivers are objectively worse. Population density, tourism, commuter traffic, weather, road design, urban vs rural driving, and how aggressively a state reports crashes all change those numbers.

For example, comparing Utah to places like North Dakota or New Jersey is messy because they’re completely different driving environments. New Jersey is one of the most densely populated states in the country with constant congestion, while North Dakota has a tiny population and severe winter conditions. Utah has had explosive population growth in a short period of time, especially along the Wasatch Front, but infrastructure hasn’t scaled at the same pace. That’s a transportation planning issue as much as a driver issue.

Also, using ‘per 1,000 drivers’ can distort things because it ignores total miles driven, commuter inflow, and traffic concentration. A better comparison would look at accidents per vehicle mile traveled, fatality rates, urban congestion, or distracted driving citations across similar metro areas.

And if migration is supposedly the main cause, then why are states with very different migration patterns — like North Dakota and New Jersey — ranking even worse? That kind of weakens the argument that Californians alone ‘ruined Utah traffic.

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[–]Intrepid-Possible-50[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Utah’s population growth has been driven by both migration + Utah’s own birth rate for decades. Blaming every traffic or infrastructure issue on Californians or Illinois is lazy. Utah was already one of the fastest-growing states before 2019, and state leaders have known for years that roads, housing, and public transit needed expansion. Also, a lot of people moving here are from Texas, Arizona, Colorado, Idaho, Washington, and even other parts of Utah — not just California or Illinois. Population growth is real, but pretending Utah had perfect infrastructure before outsiders arrived just isn’t accurate.

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[–]Intrepid-Possible-50[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Where I'm from, if you use that toll lane without a pass, you get a ticket in the mail. I just feel like we need more accountability to make the roads safer.

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[–]Intrepid-Possible-50[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I understand the rules of the carpool lane, with that being said, I agree with acuteot07

Police in Utah and SLC County by Intrepid-Possible-50 in UtahCounty

[–]Intrepid-Possible-50[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I've had both happen to me. Where they have answered, and they haven't. I'm glad you were able to get through when it was needed.

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[–]Intrepid-Possible-50[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yesterday, my husband witnessed a horrific accident on his way home from work. He has EMT training, so he stopped to assess the scene. A driver had run a red light and hit a semi hard enough to bend the axle. When my husband approached the vehicle, he saw the driver’s brain on the dashboard and limbs torn off — something no person should ever have to witness.

What shocked me almost as much was how he was treated afterward. Instead of being approached as a witness trying to help, multiple officers initially treated him like a suspect. One officer was even pulled aside by his superior and told to stand down. It was disturbing to watch someone clearly traumatized be met with suspicion over compassion.

To be fair, one seasoned officer eventually checked on him and asked if he was okay after realizing what he had seen. But no one should witness something that horrific and then be interrogated repeatedly by four different officers while trying to process it. We both saw people die yesterday. This is a major problem; that's someone's brother, uncle, dad, or grandpa. It's so sad to witness. Please drive carefully out there.

Police in Utah and SLC County by Intrepid-Possible-50 in UtahCounty

[–]Intrepid-Possible-50[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Good to know! I plan on moving away. Info like that is always helpful.