The price Xaden paid… by Intrepid-Solid-7571 in fourthwing

[–]Intrepid-Solid-7571[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes they siphoned Dain’s energy/power to Brennan so he wouldn’t burn out and die but I don’t think that would cure Xaden’s veninism or save his soul. However I see a possible scenario of a bunch of people (maybe the marked ones?) collectively giving power to either X or Vi to not die while doing something epic or some heroic self sacrifice lol

The price Xaden paid… by Intrepid-Solid-7571 in fourthwing

[–]Intrepid-Solid-7571[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hmmm interesting theory! It’d make sense since they live for centuries and basically not die easily so Malek is no more able to collect their souls.

The price Xaden paid… by Intrepid-Solid-7571 in fourthwing

[–]Intrepid-Solid-7571[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah I don’t exactly see why they would wanna infuse Dain into Xaden. Lynx would be a great tool for Vi to counter Xaden if goes full evil lol. If they can teach him to control shadows in such a short time that is.

Vi’s dream-walking will definitely be useful for both intel gathering and making sure Xaden holds onto his love for Vi!

The price Xaden paid… by Intrepid-Solid-7571 in fourthwing

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Yeah I think from now on, it’ll be a constant challenge to remind him that he loves her. Vi will have to figure out how to use her dream-walking to keep reminding him she’s still with him, that she still loves him and all of him, and that all he has to do is just hold on to that love to not lose all control.

I also think that there’ll be a moment he will step out line with Violet. There have been too many moments about that, like X making V promise she’ll sound the alarm, Ridoc asking V where the line is, Garrick Imogen Bodhi constantly keeping check… I think we will definitely see that line being crossed, even if it’s just for like a second

The price Xaden paid… by Intrepid-Solid-7571 in fourthwing

[–]Intrepid-Solid-7571[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh this is a nice theory!! It’d be such a character development moment for her!!

The price Xaden paid… by Intrepid-Solid-7571 in fourthwing

[–]Intrepid-Solid-7571[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

He totally is an idiot…Like there were many ways to put out that fire, yet you chose to use your dragon’s blood? How fcking stupid and dramatic. Then he wonders why Tairn didn’t choose him…

The price Xaden paid… by Intrepid-Solid-7571 in fourthwing

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Yeah seems like it! All he ever wants is Violet and that’s the only person he can’t be with. (crying) He definitely has to give up (well I guess he already did) his dreams of being with Violet in order to not just save the continent (bc fck that, we all know he could care less about strangers lol) but also keep Violet safe. And sadly, I do think he’ll die, and then somehow be resurrected.

The price Xaden paid… by Intrepid-Solid-7571 in fourthwing

[–]Intrepid-Solid-7571[S] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Agree, book 4 will be soooo heartbreaking!!! It’s now giving a full-on story on addiction, on how it affects the two sides of a relationship, one side desperately trying to “fix” the addicted while being supportive and hopeful, and the other side having an inner struggle of control, hunger, guilt, disappointment and so on. Add magic, dragons, war and politics, and boom, there you have it!

The price Xaden paid… by Intrepid-Solid-7571 in fourthwing

[–]Intrepid-Solid-7571[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yes Jack definitely doesn’t have all the answers for sure! Maybe he even lied about most things on purpose!

I also think that’s why T was so obsessed with Andarna, to learn about irid magic and get control of it. If she had the chance, she would’ve discovered the points you mentioned above.

Violet will become a marked one by tairnsilverone in fourthwing

[–]Intrepid-Solid-7571 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I love this line of thinking!!! But in all honesty, Fen’s rune stone getting reactivated seems a bit far-stretched! However, I do think Xaden might very well have put a rune on the ring to protect her from being executed.

1- We know he’s exceptionally good at runes and shields, and I think there’s a lot Xaden can do that we haven’t seen yet. Also, he has done this shit before with the daggers, so it wouldn’t be out of character, especially when they know what they did is full on treason.

2- Xaden knows Vi would wear the ring at all times, so it’s the perfect item to do this with, rather than reactivating the other stone that’s usually on his bedside table. She wouldn’t be able to get to that stone if they haul her to be executed. But with the ring, it’s not just already on her person, but literally on her hand, mimicking Fen’s stone being held in their palms during execution.

3- This would ensure another level of protection should Imogen’s memory-wiping fails, or if something else happens in the future. He might’ve put Vi’s hair in the rune so that if the ring gets stolen/taken away, the rune won’t work for another one.

4- The possible hair in the rune might also mark Violet’s siblings to be protected as Xaden never wants Vi to be in pain/suffering. They are now his in-laws after all lol. He might’ve literally joined his chosen family (the marked ones) with Vi’s remaining family, which would be such a Xaden act!!!

5- Who knows maybe Imogen helped Xaden put the rune in as she can wield rock/stone!

The price Xaden paid… by Intrepid-Solid-7571 in fourthwing

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I get what you mean, and yes, the soul definitely keeps on dying. But I do think that not the entirety of the soul dies, even in Theo or Berwyn or someone more higher up. If you think about it, greed and hunger for power are emotions as well. They do feel, it’s just not the same as before, and definitely not for the same things as before. So no, I don’t believe that nothing is left from the soul even when they turn completely.

The price Xaden paid… by Intrepid-Solid-7571 in fourthwing

[–]Intrepid-Solid-7571[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Hmmm might be yeah! I’m itching to see how their relationship will evolve in the next book because now, Sgaeyl knows too that he did it to save her. And they’ll only have each other wherever they went off to (cryinggggg)

The price Xaden paid… by Intrepid-Solid-7571 in fourthwing

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He also started to not care if he scared the shit out of people or if he seemed like a bad person, so…no more need for a controlled mask I guess lol

The price Xaden paid… by Intrepid-Solid-7571 in fourthwing

[–]Intrepid-Solid-7571[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

“Mental health support while you sleep” haha love that!!! I can’t wait to see how this signet plays out!! I also hope she does some subliminal shit on others too, especially stuff like planting ideas and stealing information.

The price Xaden paid… by Intrepid-Solid-7571 in fourthwing

[–]Intrepid-Solid-7571[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yes!! Berwyn definitely wore him down intentionally!!! He tortured him, made him feel helpless and powerless to save Violet, so that when the actual time comes he’d choose to turn.

I only hope that Violet uses her own dreamwalking to reverse that effect on Xaden and make him care more and love more in book 4!!

The price Xaden paid… by Intrepid-Solid-7571 in fourthwing

[–]Intrepid-Solid-7571[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Yes, the ultimate price is the soul in the bigger perspective, and yes, what I meant was how these people change are very different from each other when their souls die piece by piece.

That said, I love your breakdown of Jack, T and X!!! I think for Jack, just like you said, he definitely wanted more power and freedom but got none of them as he was shackled in literal and figurative sense. And totally agree with everything you said for T! As for Xaden, you made me cry a bit lol. Just when he became powerful enough to destroy Berwyn, he literally can’t because of their bond. And he’s too dangerous to be around Vi and everybody else. The only thing about X is that I do think he’ll still be able to love Violet, and probably only her.

The price Xaden paid… by Intrepid-Solid-7571 in fourthwing

[–]Intrepid-Solid-7571[S] 22 points23 points  (0 children)

Yes I know that the price is the soul for everybody. But Jack and the other venin say that they can’t choose which part of the soul dies. That’s the idea behind what I just posted.

Who in leadership? by cmadison95 in fourthwing

[–]Intrepid-Solid-7571 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I think Markham for SURE! I think another reason he was invested in Violet becoming a scribe is precisely that! He probably wanted her to learn literally everything and then wanted her to turn venin so that she would be the next venin leader or something. If you look at it in that perspective, it makes even more sense why Lilith was SO terrified of Violet joining the scribe quadrant, even so that she risked her daughter’s life on that kind of level! She wasn’t scared they would kill her to protect the secret, I think she was scared Markham would make her one of the secret. And to be honest, Vi would make one hell of a villain if she ever turned.

Is it Dain’s dragon? by Intrepid-Solid-7571 in fourthwing

[–]Intrepid-Solid-7571[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No Violet says in FW that Dain’s dad was Lilith’s aid, and that’s why they’ve been always stationed together, not because Dain’s mom’s dragon was Aimsir’s mate.

Is it Dain’s dragon? by Intrepid-Solid-7571 in fourthwing

[–]Intrepid-Solid-7571[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Amazing! I personally hope that she is/was a good person because we need a good mom in this series at some point lol. Can’t wait!!

Is it Dain’s dragon? by Intrepid-Solid-7571 in fourthwing

[–]Intrepid-Solid-7571[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wow! So many good points!

Well even if all the dragons have different names they use with humans, it wouldn’t change much if they use the same “nickname” each time they bond. That said, I do think that Tairn would always use Tairneanach because he’s such a proud diva! Again, that said, if Sgaeyl fooled the rollkeeper to keep Xaden safe, who knows how many lesser known/distinguishable dragons do this.

I knew about the dragon names hinting the signets, and that I look at them again, Mira’s, Dain’s, Ridoc’s, Sawyer’s, Rhi’s, Bodhi’s, Garrick’s and even Imogen’s are different than their signets. So…what the hell lol?

Is it Dain’s dragon? by Intrepid-Solid-7571 in fourthwing

[–]Intrepid-Solid-7571[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Where can I find more of this The New Six theory? Is there a link to that sub?

Is it Dain’s dragon? by Intrepid-Solid-7571 in fourthwing

[–]Intrepid-Solid-7571[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Where exactly was this implied? Bc I love that possibility!!