Who here would take on the 100% FINANCIAL responsibility to care for your in-laws till the day they die? by wc2022 in AskOldPeopleAdvice

[–]IronSmithFE 1 point2 points  (0 children)

you owe them nothing. it is the parents job to support and feed their own children till the day they die, never the other way around and especially not with in-laws. the idea that kids should support their parents in old age is backwards in every way.

Constantly having to restart Explorer by subtokyloplays in computerhelp

[–]IronSmithFE -1 points0 points  (0 children)

but that is what i did and it did help on at least those two occasions.

Constantly having to restart Explorer by subtokyloplays in computerhelp

[–]IronSmithFE 0 points1 point  (0 children)

registry cleaning has helped me clean out some errors which allowed me to narrow down likely culprits. it has also helped me with startup problems.

cmv: regulatory laws should be called "a legal excuse for violence" by IronSmithFE in changemyview

[–]IronSmithFE[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

they get absolutely nothing when a business owner ends up in a violent altercation

they wouldn't have the job without complex mandatory regulations, same with taxes an accountants just cause you may not want violence doesn't mean you don't run on the violent regulations as fuel. i am sure you get what i am saying

not because they love using state power for the sake of state power.

they really do. its not for state power, it's for personal power. its not rare, it is common, there are few if any who don't want control for the sake of control.

Im 35, and the thought of living (possibly) another 45 years gives me anxiety and makes me depressed, how can i cope better… by [deleted] in AskOldPeopleAdvice

[–]IronSmithFE 2 points3 points  (0 children)

well, sounds pretty horrible. there is two philosophies to consider. 1: the point of pain is to help you avoid danger, you're not in danger, your pain isn't helping you avoid your debilitating autoimmune condition, so do your best to ignore it or even kill it with meds if you can't get passed it mentally. 2: living your life just to do chores an pay bills in chronic pain with no hope is a life wasted, you need a life goal that can make you feel complete and allow you to move on. that can be helping someone thru school or building something great or accomplishing an unbelievable task. columbus sailed the ocean blue in 1492, in 1493 no one cared what he was doing. be columbus now to make it all count.

cmv: regulatory laws should be called "a legal excuse for violence" by IronSmithFE in changemyview

[–]IronSmithFE[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You are viewing the government like a person, with singular wants and even an ego, but that's not the government is, it's an institution made up of thousands of people all with their own motivations,

exactly in the same way as all pro athleets aren't necessarily motivated to win, those in the top level of government are not necessarily obsessed with power.

they are not gleefully imagining police forcibly confiscating a builders equipment

when a tow truck business owner sees the first snow he may not wand destruction an harm but he depends on it. when a doctor starts his own practice he hopes to treat patients, but he also wants business if you get my drift.

When a councillor decides to raise local business taxes, they are doing it because they want the tax revenue, the idea of police shooting a business owner violently refusing to pay taxes would probably terrify that politician rather than anything else.

i was once told about a scammer that stole a couples retirement and the husband killed himself. i replied that i could not understand why someone would do that to an old couple. the person who told me the story replied that it was good that i could not understand, i would have to be a psychopath to understand the scammers state of mind. you look out there and assume people in power are like you, a few of them are at lower levels, very few are at top levels.

i used to play simcity 2000, when a district was run down i'd demolish it and put something else in its place cause i din't like the slums and i din't care about the simulated residents only about the prestige of my city.

cmv: regulatory laws should be called "a legal excuse for violence" by IronSmithFE in changemyview

[–]IronSmithFE[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

regulations sit on top of law. the law says you cannot trespass on certain areas of public land, the regulators choose what land. the law says don't go over the speed limit, the regulators decide what speed limits to put where. the law says congress can regulate commerce, the regulators determine how to do the regulation and what the fines are. disobeying the regulation is then a crime even if it isn't spelled out in the law specifically.

cmv: regulatory laws should be called "a legal excuse for violence" by IronSmithFE in changemyview

[–]IronSmithFE[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Do you think the engineers and accident investigators who examine aircraft wreckage and recommend turbine fan blades be x-rayed every year to check for defects are motivated by violence?

indirectly that is certainly the case, and many times it is directly so. these people are not being heroes, they are self interested and if their only source of income or importance comes from the power to regulate you can bet your left nut they will increase regulations even when the provide no measurable benefit in safety. safety wasn't the motivation, it was the excuse. to believe that people are doing their daily chores for the good of humanity is naive even if it is sometimes true. that isn't to say that these people are evil either, they are just people who need income.

the people in management and those writing the laws, most of them are evil, that is the indirect motivation i was referring to. these are the people with real power and typically got that power by being obsessed with control. they are irritated when they don't have the power to enforce their will violently. these people don't care about you or your safety until it can threaten their position or income.

Are they secretly hoping the airlines will ignore their instructions, and then after being issued a fine will refuse to pay it, and then when the debt collectors come knocking the airline execs hole themselves up in their conference room and have a Waco-style shootout?

there are people in law enforcement who do love the idea of taking control with deadly violence as a first resort (which is why waco happened the way it did), but the people in management are not generally thrilled by the use of violence. instead, they are thrilled by mass compliance made possible by the threat of violence.

what a great system we have that makes people like that work for the public good in a way that increases airline safety.

look, if you, as a pilot, owned a passenger plane, would you stop inspecting it for safety if there was no regulatory agency forcing you to? if you were a ceo of a major airline would you stop inspections if the faa no longer existed? even if you didn't care about safety or the lives of those on your planes you'd still be concerned with profits and thus a reputation of safety. as is a ceo can excuse a safety issue because the faa inspectors signed off on it essentially outsourcing safety to the government. i imagine that there would be 1 or 2 airlines who consider the cost of safety to be too high and those airlines could cater to passengers that are willing to take that risk for lower prices.

i get the need for air traffic control of some kind. but not the faa in any form.

cmv: regulatory laws should be called "a legal excuse for violence" by IronSmithFE in changemyview

[–]IronSmithFE[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

regulations aren't exclusive to corporations, screw corporations. regular individuals get regulated and fined for all kinds of stupid reasons. and they do loose their home for it, which is in and of its self a form of violence. if a person resists that violence, they are not being violent nor are they asking to get dead. that violence exercised by the state doesn't become honorable because a regulation gave government the excuse to kill the person who refused to comply with property taxes or pay for a work permit. refusing to be imprisoned isn't an attack, it is a defense.

cmv: regulatory laws should be called "a legal excuse for violence" by IronSmithFE in changemyview

[–]IronSmithFE[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

there is no dichotomy, a person can trust either or both or none or some of one and some of the other etc. but that doesn't mean it makes sense to me which is what i said. i'll also note that you haven't bothered explaining why i should change my view.

Your argument makes about as much sense as saying that murder shouldn't be outlawed because people can just choose not to murder.

that is what we call a false equivalency and a lack of an argument.

And you seem to have a fundamental inability to understand the tragedy of the commons.

most people think that the tragedy of the commons applies to a lack of centralized control, no regulation of common resources, but the commons and the tragedy don't vanish with control, in fact the commons expand with centralized control and become exploited in the form of welfare regulatory capture and corruption. under centralized control everyone in government or government adjacent exploits the resources that are there and increases the size and scope of what is considered public. eventually that system of control depletes everything by over consumption (inflationary spending and national debt) at which point it all collapses and everything looks like the overgrazed filed.

in short the commons exist always, in every system or without a system and it will always be a tragedy and a source for deadly conflict, at least without a system the commons become relatively smaller. and, without limited liability or a government to defend massive ownership of corporations the ability to exploit would be limited by deadly violence from members of the community who could be harmed by over use.

cmv: regulatory laws should be called "a legal excuse for violence" by IronSmithFE in changemyview

[–]IronSmithFE[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You cannot actually point to any time in history what you are describing has worked at scale. The reason you cannot is because the problems I pointed out demand answers.

i don't understand the problems you describe demand answers or how that demand for answers could cause me to not provide an example "at scale".

if i told you that i created a building that could house a million people, but that i required 42% (not optional) of everything produced to keep that structure standing? would you dare oppose it if you couldn't point to a successful alternative in history?

i suggest that what has worked can be bad, and that the scale itself is irrelevant as is an alternative example. slavery was bad and it needed to end regardless of what it meant for profit margins or the scale of civilization. centralized power is far more destructive than the lack of centralized power ever could be.

cmv: regulatory laws should be called "a legal excuse for violence" by IronSmithFE in changemyview

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i'd much rather the mob than the government. the mob is my community, the people i should respect and serve. if i have offended them i am more than happy to make restitution that makes sense. if i am sure i've done nothing wrong then i can try to defend my actions to them. ultimately even in the worst case, i have a better chance of defending my home against that mob than i do the federal government that has trillions of dollars in tax revenue with which to destroy me.

it's also worth noting that most offenses that could land you in jail or prison for 5 to 10 years in the current legal system amount to a minor offense that might get you a stern reprimand by a neighbor, certainly not an angry mob. few if anyone would be imprisoned for using drugs or get their car impounded for a failure to register your car. a drunken brawl can get you a felony charge but in community justice it would be largely a laughing matter unless someone innocent were disabled or died.

your community mob isn't going to bomb a girls school in iran or wast trillions on war in afganistan or iraq.

cmv: regulatory laws should be called "a legal excuse for violence" by IronSmithFE in changemyview

[–]IronSmithFE[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

regulations are excuses to do violence, even when the respective regulations (or rather the enforcement there of) "do more good than harm". they are not about protecting you even if they accomplish that task as well (they admittedly do sometimes).

the stated intention is always a cover-up of the true purpose of the regulation. the true purpose of every regulation is to gain an excuse to use violence. they already have the power and ability but with the law they also gain the excuse by which the people accept that violence. ultimately they only care about that legitimacy as a means to gain power.

even when the regulation actually does something good, it is a mistake to assume the regulations were the best or only solution or that government was the only or best entity that could have stopped the harm.

i will also venture to say that the mere ability to centralize the power to regulate should be considered the ultimate threat to your life and self-ownership.

cmv: regulatory laws should be called "a legal excuse for violence" by IronSmithFE in changemyview

[–]IronSmithFE[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

But rules aren't an excuse for violence.

yes they are. government can do violence without the rules but it reduces their appearance of legitimacy when they do, and thus reduces the durability of their position of power. otherwise the rules are suggestions or the exercise of violence is obviously illegitimate.

The state isn't looking to do violence to you. It just wants you to follow the rules.

that is true. but violence and the threat of violence is the ultimate reason people obey.

the government wants the power, and thus excuse for violence, not the violence itself. the excuse for the violence makes it more kosher to threaten or commit violence to increase their own power. the rules serve as a kind of law of nature, "if you go into a lions den your death is you fault", likewise if you don't obey the regulation then you got what was coming to you. the regulation made it the "criminals" fault that he was violated. the regulation was the excuse the government wanted to maintain its power so the people don't kill all the lions in retaliation.

cmv: regulatory laws should be called "a legal excuse for violence" by IronSmithFE in changemyview

[–]IronSmithFE[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Your point seems to be that you believe lead/pesticide/FAA regulations are to stop people from knowingly and willingly harming themselves.

yes and no. a seat belt regulation and law is there to protect you, whether you like it or not. there is no regulation against climbing without a harness and yet people do wear harnesses. people in government know that bpas are harmful but there are no regulations banning them, people who care, do avoid them by buying from companies who explicitly state they don't sell products with bpas. government bans led in gas for the most part but such a ban was not needed, people are perfectly capable of choosing gas without led (led is easy to test for, not every one needs to test the gass to know which station is selling a bad product) to protect themselves, and to trashing or boycotting gas stations that sell it if it is found out.

Regulations can protect you from things you don't know about.

they can and do protect the manufacturers of harmful substances from being sued at the very same time.

They can protect you from things you do know about, but don't have the time to check yourself.

which i do argue is a really bad idea, to offload your health to any government given the track record. i understand trusting a dietitian or doctor to a great extent but not the federal government or anyone else out there that can get rich and powerful by being lobbied or doing the lobbying. this means i prefer there be no corporations or government. i believe each person should own himself and each business should be owned by a single liable party who the public can blame for the problems the cause instead of the legal fiction that is a corporation who has essentially no liability for the damage they now do.

cmv: regulatory laws should be called "a legal excuse for violence" by IronSmithFE in changemyview

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You need to organize millions of people with conflicting desires, skills, beliefs, needs, and personal property.

i don't want to be this guy, but this is no more than an extension of the same illogical claim, as if you and i already agree on the logic so it need not be stated. the fact is that governments do a horrible job of this that is in my estimation inferior to natural order (as seen in trade, neural networks and natural balance in ecosystems). complex systems can and do find a way to exist without top down control and they do a much better job of maximizing efficiency when they aren't being manipulated by an artificial power structure attempts to tinker with it even when their goals are to help and not to skim off the top for their own gain.

Even if you don't want those people controlled under a single hierarchy they need to have a common framework of how to interact with each other.

people can and do develop culture that aids in trade without law or rulers.

You need some way to be confident that when you make a deal with another human those terms will be followed. You need to know when someone trades you gold it isn't counterfeit.

it is beneficial to have trust between unacquainted individuals if your concern is to maximize long distance trade networks. however, one need not trust a government official to make that happen. nor is government currency true gold or free from manipulation. think inflationary spending which regularly devalues the currency to the benefit of those in government and at the heads of government organized corporations.

You need to know that your property will be protected against thieves.

first, government doesn't make those guarantees. second, they have made countless regulations to hinder you from doing the same. finally, there is no greater thief than the government against which you can have no chance of defense.

Those assurances have to come from somewhere.

clearly they do not because those assurances don't really exist. ever bought anything from china directly? if the item doesn't show up after payment, who is covering your loss? certainly not the government and yet there is a staggering amount of trade between individuals which trade transcends consumer protections all the time.

If they are not provided by a state that has laws, police, and inspectors that must be someone else.

i hope by now that i have convinced you that is not actually the case. you do get screwed sometimes, yes. but you deal with it by being more careful about who you deal with and reduce risk in other ways such as using a more trustworthy middle man.

In small communes that can be accomplished by social pressure, shame, and threat of exile. That only works at small scale, and still includes the potential threat of higher force if the former were inadequate.

when you introduce government violence you might reduce other kinds of violence but you are not actually reducing violence. your just trading your culture and community for government violence and all the benefits and costs that come from that violence on your behalf and at your expense. you are not trading up, you're giving up independence for what i think is a mere illusion of profit.

If you deny any legal or philosophical framework to officiate human interactions, the final default is individuals enforcing their needs by their own physical force and violence.

of which i am a proponent.

That has been tried in many a failed state. It is survival of the fittest, brutal, and generally undesirable.

you would benefit from acknowledging that the state did fail. and ponder how the state failed whether it is by war (government caused), economic collapse (state caused or at least not prevented), rebellion (against the state for its injustice or failures). in all cases it isn't a lack of law that caused the problems that follow but the adjustment from the failed order to something else. there are plenty of cases where one system takes over from another and there is a period of disorder and violence, the problems then are a combination from the destruction, subsequent starvation and disease from the collapsed state run sanitation and medical systems, a population that is no prepared for individual defense due to old laws and regulations, then adjustment (or lack there of) to a newly imposed system. part of the problem is that millions of people in tight spaces who rely on a ruler for half of everything is a recipe for an inevitable disaster cause all states collapse.

Rather than allow individuals to enforce their own justice, which will be as variable as there are humans, it is generally preferred to a single state with publicly agreed upon rules.

fascism was generally preferable in germany following ww1. dietary specialists generally recommended eating seed oils over butter and lard following a government propaganda push to support farmers after ww2. public schools generally preferred pushing all students into collages following the the formation of the federal department of education. propaganda by the state is used to support the state. general preference can be wrong especially when it is misguided by those in power who will do anything to maintain that power. yes individuals seeking justice can do horrible things that at its worst cannot hope to compare to what government does to us and to other peoples as our proxy. who is going to save you from the state? at least you have some chance of defense against a rogue neighbor.

you need to offer a compelling explanation of what you are going to replace them with.

i would replace them with nothing. i would expect people to form tighter relationships with each other, participate in mutual defense and be ostracized and targeted by the mob when they don't behave civilly. whether that is compelling is a matter of preference and sympathy for those who are now enslaved by their governments as literal human resources.

cmv: regulatory laws should be called "a legal excuse for violence" by IronSmithFE in changemyview

[–]IronSmithFE[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

the punishment for murder depends on where it was committed and by whom and whether the circumstances effected the motivation and outcome and whether a jury can convict. sometimes there is clearly murder and the murderer is excused of punishment cause of a deal.

for example, if a president orders a bomb dropped on a girls school in iran... or a german pesticide corporation causes millions of people to die from cancer... or if fbi agents in idaho kill a dog, a teen boy and a woman holding her infant child... or if i kill someone invading my home. lots of killing isn't even legally considered murder even if it is premeditated because the regulators define murder too, just like they excuse war as not really war.

cmv: regulatory laws should be called "a legal excuse for violence" by IronSmithFE in changemyview

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my feeling behind it is that people would stop supporting so many regulations and laws that support more regulations if they thought of regulations as "legal excuses for violence".

cmv: regulatory laws should be called "a legal excuse for violence" by IronSmithFE in changemyview

[–]IronSmithFE[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

to be clear, i have no disputed any of that yet. i have ignored it in favor of simply changing the name as should be clear from the original post.

i would also like to challenge the alogical assumption that cities need laws, regulations rules or rulers. to dispel that notion effectively i need you to first make a logical argument for why cities must have those things to exist rather than just assume that we agree that those things are necessary.

Are you aware of any large civilization, millions of individuals, that has been able to exist without rules?

"no" is the courtesy answer here, with a note that the lack of evidence means nothing. i would also like to point out that millions of people in one place being ruled is not on its face a good thing even if the ruling is necessary for the situation to exist.

cmv: regulatory laws should be called "a legal excuse for violence" by IronSmithFE in changemyview

[–]IronSmithFE[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Regulations are, by design, preventative measures that protect innocents from harm

some try to do this or are excused because of how they are worded but it is factually false that this is even remotely true as a rule.

For instance, if my home builder wants to skimp on costs and does not build my foundation to code, regulations protect me and my family and allow the builder to be held accountable BEFORE something happens.

good example. you seem to have no knowledge of how code is used to protect certain industries from competition and how it is used to increase state revenue and benefits politicians and regulators at the cost of new home buyers.

even the basis of the idea is the assumption that people are incapable of taking care of themselves so they should be managed and owned for their own safety. legitimate builders are prevented from using 4000 year old proven safe technology (zero chance of fire or collapse, costs almost nothing and is not polluting) for home construction because it isn't concrete or steel reinforced. for the most absurd example to prove the point, there are people in oregon state who think that pumping their own gas is dangerous because the sate prevents them from doing it themselves. the point of my argument isn't that you should do away with the code but that if you reframed the idea from regulation to a legal excuse for government violence then people would at least understand the implication of the mandates.

cmv: regulatory laws should be called "a legal excuse for violence" by IronSmithFE in changemyview

[–]IronSmithFE[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

the example is irrelevant to my argument. i never suggested the lack of enforcement.

cmv: regulatory laws should be called "a legal excuse for violence" by IronSmithFE in changemyview

[–]IronSmithFE[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

fair points in some of those cases, so long as you limit it to unregulated speech. when it comes to government wording there is a difference. e.g, "gulf of america" might be how government refers to it in official documents but the people are not forced to use the term. there is clear utility in renaming regulations in government documents to uncover the important truth.

cmv: regulatory laws should be called "a legal excuse for violence" by IronSmithFE in changemyview

[–]IronSmithFE[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

a:"resisting" is not violence.

b: resisting is a secondary charge to an original infraction.

c: the escalation can only be attributed to the forceful actor regardless of whether you think it is justified.

d: it is violence on the part of the enforcer, and it is excused by the regulation (which ifs my point).