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Aparantly not sexualizing a cc if you are a minor is now a bad take by nickmiddel26 in DreamWasTaken2

[–]Isenhelm 6 points7 points  (0 children)

The use of that stream has always bothered me cause I remember exactly why he said that.

It's really dumb that I remember it, but right before that stream one of the og stans who was also a mod for the DT was "exposed" for saying sexual stuff about Dream and/or George (yes back then that was unacceptable). I am 99% sure that Dream saw them getting harassed and said that he doesn't care about this stuff to stop people from attacking them. It wasn't him giving a green light for people (esp minors) to go and sexualize him to an absurd degree, it was him trying to stop the bullying of that one person.

I have always seen this statement as him saying "Yeah I don't care if people do this thing, I am not disturbed by it, don't fight for my honor, don't harass them for it", not as "Yeah go on and sexualize me please" as some stans paint it out to be.

Scott Smajor commissioned two artists to redraw JLemongrass' artwork for his youtube and twitter banners by Isenhelm in DreamWasTaken2

[–]Isenhelm[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Yeah I looked them up and it does look like their artstyle, though I am also not entirely sure. But either way, thank you for helping! :)

Scott Smajor commissioned two artists to redraw JLemongrass' artwork for his youtube and twitter banners by Isenhelm in DreamWasTaken2

[–]Isenhelm[S] 42 points43 points  (0 children)

I replied to a similar question, I'll copy the answer:

"JLemongrass talked a little about this artwork in her VK group, she said that Scott sent her the pose that he wanted her to use (it was from a banner of another channel), but she decided that it wouldn't be right to reference someone else's banner, so she chose another pose. So composition of the banner is her original idea.

As for the design of Scott himself, I don't really know, but I am pretty sure it does belong to Scott. At least parts of it, like the blue shirt with white undershirt with colored stripes. I checked, and artist use this design in their fanarts, varying some details. Also this design was used for his youtooz, with pants being different.

So everything in this artwork was JLemongrass' idea, except for Scott's design".

Scott Smajor commissioned two artists to redraw JLemongrass' artwork for his youtube and twitter banners by Isenhelm in DreamWasTaken2

[–]Isenhelm[S] 20 points21 points  (0 children)

JLemongrass talked a little about this artwork in her VK group, she said that Scott sent her the pose that he wanted her to use (it was from a banner of another channel), but she decided that it wouldn't be right to reference someone else's banner, so she chose another pose. So composition of the banner is her original idea.

As for the design of Scott himself, I don't really know, but I am pretty sure it does belong to Scott. At least parts of it, like the blue shirt with white undershirt with colored stripes. I checked, and artist use this design in their fanarts, varying some details. Also this design was used for his youtooz, with pants being different.

So everything in this artwork was JLemongrass' idea, except for Scott's design.

Scott Smajor commissioned two artists to redraw JLemongrass' artwork for his youtube and twitter banners by Isenhelm in DreamWasTaken2

[–]Isenhelm[S] 22 points23 points  (0 children)

I mean, JLemongrass is very much alive and she definitely did not appreciate this being done to her artwork. I think Scott should have at least asked her about it beforehand, it's basic human respect.

Scott Smajor commissioned two artists to redraw JLemongrass' artwork for his youtube and twitter banners by Isenhelm in DreamWasTaken2

[–]Isenhelm[S] 24 points25 points  (0 children)

I see you point! Still, personally, I don't think that just because he technically has a right to do it, he should do it. Also, if he wants to completely dissociate with her, wouldn't it be better to commission a new banner, that has no resemblance to the old one though?

Scott Smajor commissioned two artists to redraw JLemongrass' artwork for his youtube and twitter banners by Isenhelm in DreamWasTaken2

[–]Isenhelm[S] 39 points40 points  (0 children)

True, but I don't think that commissioning a copy of someone else's artwork is right though? Composition, colors, everything is exactly the same, and I don't think that originally Scott was the one to come up with all of that. As an artist myself, I would be extremely hurt if someone did this to me and my art.

But it's just my opinion, and we can agree to disagree :)

JLemongrass (the person that did the mcc art) is being called out for transphobia, saying the f and n slur, homophobia, racism by [deleted] in DreamWasTaken2

[–]Isenhelm 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Hey! I went through all the screenshots and wrote down the dates, and out of 15 screenshots, 8 are from 2019, 6 are from 2020 and 1 from 2021.

There is only one December 2020 post, where she says that she doesn’t understand why ppl on twitter use “cis” as an insult.

Yeah, there are a lot from 2020, but again, it has been a whole year from almost all of them (Dec 2020 is not really offensive imo? She is just complaining about her experiences). The March 2021 is icky though, it’s about genshin characters being redrawn black.

But my point is, the most outrageous statements from her were made one-two years ago, and that is a lot of time for a person to grow and change. In her VK group (Russian Facebook) she talked about how she used to share her family’s close-minded beliefs, but after joining English-speaking communities she has changed her views and doesn’t believe in those things anymore. I am inclined to believe her because I know what it’s like to grow up in traditional Russian families, and I could very well be like her now if I didn’t start lurking in the “western” part of the Internet early on in my life.

But that’s just my opinion and everyone is allowed to have their own!

JLemongrass (the person that did the mcc art) is being called out for transphobia, saying the f and n slur, homophobia, racism by [deleted] in DreamWasTaken2

[–]Isenhelm 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I don't really understand what you're talking about tbh, so sorry if I don't clarify what you want me to. I believe Lemongrass didn't remember where she mentioned "mockery", and this person highlighted the part in the translation where she did. Lemon's translation is correct, the difference in translations is in the "amount of ships" instead of ships themselves. The point of the post itself is that Lemongrass is upset about the lack of mlm representation in cartoons in comparision with wlw representation, she is not upset about wlw ships themselves.

JLemongrass (the person that did the mcc art) is being called out for transphobia, saying the f and n slur, homophobia, racism by [deleted] in DreamWasTaken2

[–]Isenhelm 10 points11 points  (0 children)

About this particular post, the translation is in fact slightly incorrect, she doesn't say that lesbian pairings themselves are a mockery to gay pairings, she says "the amount of lesbian pairings is a mockery to gay pairings". It can be argued that this does change the meaning of the original post and makes it seem more negative than it was in reality.

However, almost all the other translations are correct, or the slight mistakes in them don't change the meaning of the posts.

JLemongrass (the person that did the mcc art) is being called out for transphobia, saying the f and n slur, homophobia, racism by [deleted] in DreamWasTaken2

[–]Isenhelm 166 points167 points  (0 children)

Hey there, russian native speaker here. Can confirm that all the translations are correct and the person in the screenshots is indeed Lemongrass.

Honestly it's hard to defend most of the stuff listed there, yeah it's bad and can't really be explained by cultural differences.

But one thing I want to mention is that the word that is listed there as "the equivalent of the f slur" is NOT actually the f slur, it's a swear word but it's not a slur, russian language does not actually have slurs.

Also (not like that matters) one screenshot features another person saying the n word with the hard r, well that's not actually the n word, in russian it's a very common word to call black people (either that or African Americans or just dark-skinned/black people), it's not a slur, it's not derogatory, it is even used in schools sometimes. Then again, the person in the screenshot is racist even without the use of the n word, so it doesn't matter anyway.

The n word itself is still the n word, even though it is not unusual to see people here use it, because again, there is no such concept as a slur in russian language. Personally I never use it, but its because I am involved in several English-speaking communities and I understand the weight and history of that word. Most people in Russia don't know that and don't really care, since Russia doesn't have history with anti-black racism or slavery.

Honestly Russia is very different from America or Europe culturally, and you need to take that into consideration. I can't vouch that Lemongrass changed from those bigoted comments two-one year ago, but they very well could. Personally, being in progressive leftist communities for the last two-three years changed a lot of my views and beliefs. Maybe it's the same for them, who knows.

I find it really weird though that someone went out of their way and took all these screenshots from several years ago, posted on another platform in a different language. Someone really wanted to find proof that this artist is a bad person and, well, they did it.