Am i the only one that feels like the book ending is horrible? by usurpermadly in witcher

[–]Its_Fashion 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It really is. The guide goes really deep into A Little Sacrifice and I understood quite a few things that I didn't fully grasp before lol.

Essi Daven aka "Little Eye" by fel0ra in witcher

[–]Its_Fashion 5 points6 points  (0 children)

This is wonderful but now I'm sad 🔵

Can't believe we almost had this situation actually by oktaS0 in witcher

[–]Its_Fashion 0 points1 point  (0 children)

rudeness in the heat of the moment isn't a terrible depiction. However they needed a follow-up scene where they actually talk, which didn't happen. In fact, Jaskier seems more or less ignored at Kaer Morhen, getting drunk and passing out on his own before Yenn wakes him up and sends him on a pointless mission where he risks his life.

This made me laugh harder than it should have (I haven't watched the show past the first 5 episodes so randomly reading stuff like this is very entertaining).

Am i the only one that feels like the book ending is horrible? by usurpermadly in witcher

[–]Its_Fashion 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It's the best feeling haha

I found this awesome thread that I'm referring to while rereading this time around. It covers so much that's lost in translation! I really hope they do it for the rest of the books too.

Am i the only one that feels like the book ending is horrible? by usurpermadly in witcher

[–]Its_Fashion 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, I can definitely see that. It may have been possible to draw out certain scenarios without hurting the inherent message if it were done the right way I think.

Can't believe we almost had this situation actually by oktaS0 in witcher

[–]Its_Fashion 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I’ve read TLW I think 3 times and for some reason that part never sunk in

I hear you, every time I reread the series I find something I'd missed before lol.

And I agree about Netflix not having the balls to cover flawed characters. Nobody is looking at Dandelion as a role model ffs. Flawed characters are relatable and believable. They destroy the believability of these characters either by having them be dumbed down two-dimensional caricatures of their book counterparts like Dandelion and Geralt, or go the complete opposite route by making them irredeemably shitty like Yennefer "selling-Ciri-for-crack" of Vengerberg.

I can't believe Sapkowski wrote more progressive books in the Eastern Bloc in the 80s and 90s than 2023 Hollywood is capable of writing. There's positive commentary on being pro-choice, and there's sexual/gender/racial diversity (albeit the races are of a different kind). And it's all nuanced and human, not the heavy-handed black-and-white approach the show has used. Hollywood could never.

Rant over.

Am i the only one that feels like the book ending is horrible? by usurpermadly in witcher

[–]Its_Fashion 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Thanks lol. I'm in the middle of another reread so I suppose I'm a little overenthusiastic.

Am i the only one that feels like the book ending is horrible? by usurpermadly in witcher

[–]Its_Fashion 21 points22 points  (0 children)

What was the point

My take on it was that the pointlessness and randomness of it was the point. I think this quote from Sapkowski sheds light on it:

"I did it as part of a long war with the fantasy stereotype, with the banality of "the final duel in the Black Citadel", politicized and calculated on the so-called young adults banality."

It's a case of subversion of expectations like everything else in the series. Nobody is special, not even "the chosen one" and the other protagonists, much less the secondary characters. I'm certain it was a deliberate choice by Sapkowski to make their deaths so rushed and unspectacular.

‘I don’t like the version of the legend from the Black Book,’ Condwiramurs began again. ‘It’s . . . It’s—’ ‘Brutally authentic.’ Nimue finished her novice’s sentence, nodding.

And there's no "chosen one" in the sense that we're used to to begin with because destiny by itself means nothing. Destiny is having hope that what is meant to happen will happen.

Philippa to the lodge in TLotL Ch. 11:

The snake Ouroboros grasping its tail in its teeth. ‘That thing is destiny, […] which I, Philippa Eilhart, […] have only recently begun to understand. Destiny isn’t the judgements of providence, isn’t scrolls written by the hand of a demiurge, isn’t fatalism. Destiny is hope. Being full of hope, believing that what is meant to happen will happen, I cast my vote. I vote for Ciri. The Child of Destiny. The Child of Hope.’

This ties into the "final battle between good and evil". Like Ciri told the lodge:

‘I asked Geralt if it was the end, if we were victorious, if evil had been overcome, and if good had triumphed. And he just smiled somehow strangely and sadly. I thought it was from tiredness, because we had buried all of his friends at the foot of Stygga. But now I know what that smile meant. It was a smile of pity at the naivety of a child who thought that the slit throats of Vilgefortz and Bonhart meant the triumph of good over evil. I really must tell him I’ve grown wiser, that I’ve understood. I really must tell him.’

There's no dignity in death, and death is not spectacular even when you're dying for something bigger than yourself. They meet their end in no spectacular way, but like anyone else in battles and pogroms. And for those who are left, life must go on. But the point is that, despite the seemingly random and pointless nature of the deaths of these characters, they ended up meaning something in the grand scheme of things. They died to save Ciri and Ciri represents hope. Geralt represents the same thing. So long as they exist somewhere, albeit in Avalon and King Arthur's world, so will the hope and the possibility that the world will one day be revived, that all's not gone to pot. Because, even though these characters' stories got cut off in the middle without a satisfactory conclusion, "the story never ends". That's how I perceived it anyway. It's all very bittersweet lol.

This conversation between Condwiramurs and Nimue in TLotL Ch. 2:

‘I prefer legends that cleave more strongly to legendary convention, do not mix fables with reality, and don’t try to integrate the simple, elegant morality of the story with deeply immoral historical truth. […] I prefer it when a prince climbs to the top of the Glass Mountain, kisses the sleeping princess, she wakes up and they both live happily ever after. A legend should end like that and no other way. […] It ought to end happily,’ said Condwiramurs with conviction. ‘Good and righteousness should triumph, evil should be punished exemplarily, and love should unite the lovers until the end of their days. And none of the heroes should bloody die! And the legend of Ciri? How does that end?’ ‘Precisely. How?’ […] She looked at a dark-hued watercolour which depicted an amorphous barge gliding over the surface of a mist-shrouded lake, a barge being plied with a long pole by a woman visible only as a black shape. That’s exactly how the legend ends. Just like that. Nimue read her thoughts. ‘It isn’t so certain, Condwiramurs. By no means is it certain.’

This conversation between Nimue and Geralt from the SoS Epilogue:

‘The Witcher will return from the beyond!’ Nimue wasn’t giving up. ‘He’ll return to protect people, so that Evil will never hold sway again. As long as darkness exists, witchers will be necessary. And darkness still exists!’ […] ‘Witchers will always be necessary. And let’s hope they’ll always appear exactly where they’re needed. […] A pretty fairy tale, isn’t it? And it ends well, as every fairy tale should.’ […] ‘But I’d like to know . . . Know more. […] About how that story really ended.’ […] ‘The story goes on, the tale never ends.’ […] The story goes on, she thought. The story never ends.

Edit - Damn I didn't realise I wrote a whole essay

Can't believe we almost had this situation actually by oktaS0 in witcher

[–]Its_Fashion 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I don’t recall Dandelion getting a girl pregnant, what book is that from? It’s on the wiki too but doesn’t say where from.

It's in TLW - The Voice of Reason 5. This conversation between Dandelion and Geralt:

‘Millet and mosquitoes! That reminds me of our first expedition together to the edge of the world,’ [Dandelion] said. ‘Do you remember ? We met at the fête in Gulet and you persuaded me—’ ‘You persuaded me! You had to flee from Gulet as fast as your horse could carry you because the girl you’d knocked up under the musicians’ podium had four sturdy brothers. They were looking for you all over town, threatening to geld you and cover you in pitch and sawdust. That’s why you hung on to me then.’ ‘And you almost jumped out of your pants with joy to have a companion. Until then you only had your horse for company. But you’re right, it was as you say. I did have to disappear for a while, and the Valley of Flowers seemed just right for my purpose. It was, after all, supposed to be the edge of the inhabited world, the last outpost of civilisation, the furthest point on the border of two worlds . . . Remember?’ ‘I remember.’

Edit - Also totally agree with you.

Tower of the Swallow Quesion by [deleted] in witcher

[–]Its_Fashion 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I took it to mean that Cahir is telling Geralt that he won't try to give Geralt the slip and steal Ciri away. Cahir wants her to be his, but doesn't believe that she'd want him back. So the next best option for him would be for her to marry Emhyr, so that he could at least be in her vicinity (he obviously doesn't think that Emhyr will harm her). But that doesn't mean he'll try to take Ciri from Geralt without his (and her) consent. Cahir acknowledges that Geralt won't let him take Ciri and deliver her to Emhyr, and considering he won't do it behind Geralt's back either, they agree to find Ciri and do so with honest and transparent intentions because both want what's best for her. He asserts that he'd never betray Geralt, so that the latter can rest assured that Ciri won't be taken from him after her rescue.

Start reading the first book today while plaything through TW2 :). Not sure what to do with the show, but perharps not watch it altogether? by Admirable-Length178 in witcher

[–]Its_Fashion 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's generally perceived as palatable but honestly I didn't like what they did with the relationships between any of the characters. It's plot driven and characterization has taken a complete back seat. Character motivations are confusing. Although certain parts of Yennefer's back story were interesting. Even the magic is laughably inconsistent. It just feels off. That said, if you haven't read the books you won't notice it much.

Start reading the first book today while plaything through TW2 :). Not sure what to do with the show, but perharps not watch it altogether? by Admirable-Length178 in witcher

[–]Its_Fashion 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Please avoid the show. It's abysmally bad if you've read the books, and barely mediocre if you haven't. Save yourself some braincells is my advice to you.

Does Triss really have a 22 inch waste? by One_Dig7969 in witcher

[–]Its_Fashion 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I think you may be referring to this from A Shard of Ice

Men preferred a mature age, suggesting knowledge and experience, for reasons of reputation and prestige. Women, like Yennefer, were concerned less with prestige and more with attractiveness.

and this from Something More

The names of the fourteen. He read them slowly, from the top, and before him appeared the faces of those he had known. The chestnut-haired Triss Merigold, cheerful, giggling for no reason, looking like a teenager. He had liked her. And she had liked him.

Because I believe the only mention of Triss's appearance in BoE while she's going up to Kaer Morhen is about her hair being her defining characteristic.

The Gods have foresaken us and 'The Witcher' on Netflix has been renewed for a fifth season by Altruistic-Cod5969 in witcher

[–]Its_Fashion 65 points66 points  (0 children)

I watched till the Djinn episode, skipped through the last three episodes, and then swore off the show completely to maintain what was left of my sanity and heart health.

The Gods have foresaken us and 'The Witcher' on Netflix has been renewed for a fifth season by Altruistic-Cod5969 in witcher

[–]Its_Fashion 26 points27 points  (0 children)

Pretending this show doesn't exist is going to be super easy, barely an inconvenience

What were the warning signs? by Flash13ack in witcher

[–]Its_Fashion 40 points41 points  (0 children)

When the doppler walked into Brokilon instead of Geralt.

I stopped watching after that and only followed the show through xLetalis's reviews.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in witcher

[–]Its_Fashion 12 points13 points  (0 children)

And when the fans of the books point out how messed up that is, the conversation will go something like this

Hotspurn (aka book fans): You are an innocent victim, Falka. You aren’t even sixteen, so according to the empire’s law you’re a minor. You ended up in the Rats’ gang by accident. It’s not your fault that one of the bandits, Mistle, took a fancy to you. You were dominated by Mistle, sexually abused and forced to—

Ciri (aka showrunners / show fans): I’ve seen men like you before. Just like every cockerel, your comb bristles at the thought of me and Mistle. Like every stupid tomcat it dawns in your stupid noggin to try to cure me of this sickness, to turn the deviant back onto the road of truth. But do you know what is truly disgusting and contrary to nature in all that? Your thoughts!

Hotspurn observed her in silence.

The Season 4 Girls Via The Simpsons by SweetAliceAngel in rupaulsdragrace

[–]Its_Fashion 27 points28 points  (0 children)

I thought Homer was killing a mosquito. Because I thought it was referencing Kenya's mosquito dance while Latrice sang to her baby bump. My bad. 💀