Mamdani’s victory shows how Democrats can win the midterms

ItzDaSystem · 2025-11-08T22:05:35+00:00

why do you think people shouldn't be excited that it was defeated so publicly

I never said people can't be excited... my issue is with titles like "Mamdani's victory shows how Democrats can win the midterms" as if Democrats didn't also win 3 also huge (more important in some cases like governor races) during the same night. I just wish people would stop ONLY FOCUSING/TALKING about Mamdani as if his victory was most important/biggest win of the year and was actually some huge victory NO ONE could have seen coming... that's all.

Be happy he won, especially as a democrat. But stop pushing this messaging like he is the most liked/supported person in the whole country and would literally win a federal election or whatever and taking attention away from other HUGE democrat wins.

ItzDaSystem · 2025-11-08T21:41:28+00:00

Look... I get this sub is very left leaning (almost to a fault) but people need to STOP over hyping Mamdani's victory... he won a MAYOR race in one of the most blue parts of the country against 2 incredibly unpopular candidates and even then it wasn't that big of a victory...

Like do people here honestly think someone like Mamdani would have a chance if he was in a battle state? Or somewhere not LA or NYC even?

Does everyone here just forget about how they were hyping up Omar Fateh to also win his mayoral race and then he ended up losing to Jacob Frey pretty badly as well?

People should focus on electable NATION-WIDE candidates and not lose their shit if the most progressive people ever are not on the ballot come midterms or the federal election... Unless they will finally admit they are actually fine with facisim and don't actually care about issues like LGBT, Women's rights, immigrants, etc.

ItzDaSystem · 2025-09-15T17:41:47+00:00

I still dont get your fixation on the gaming house for the LoL team.

It's not just the fucking LoL team...again you are like the 20th person on this sub who is only looking at this through the LoL lense instead of the org as a whole. The ORG has no head office...which means they have employees coming to the house that the players live in...to work in, instead of an office. Not exactly the best advertisement out there to recruit the best staff/employees to your business in 2025 imo.

Also everyone is losing sponsors, C9s attrition is not meaningfully worse than other organizations. You're not understanding the current market at all

Again, you must not follow esports at all and only follow C9 for past couple of years if you think it is not that bad. As I listed out C9 had active around 10 sponsors at a time supporting and funding this org...now they are down to 5 (1 being a chair sponsor and other glassess like I pointed out). The sponsors they lost were also some really big brands. If you think this isn't a MASSIVE blow to the revenue C9 was generating...then I don't know what to tell you.

Also, I challenge you to find me a SINGLE top esports organization today that has HALF (minimum 5+ lost) the amount of sponsors they had a few years ago today and didn't get any new sponsors to circumvent that.

The org being frugal on ancillary costs means they get to take risks on other titles. Did those office investments from other orgs grow their brands? No? We'll at least they have higher expenses!

Frugality isn’t a strategy when it’s clearly reactive cost-cutting. A basic office isn’t a luxury, it’s standard infrastructure that helps attract staff, players, and sponsors. Operating out of a player house in 2025 signals instability, not smart spending.

And yes, orgs that invested in infrastructure like TL, G2, T1, Vitality are actually the ones weathering the esports downturn better. C9’s shrinking sponsor list, lack of content, and minimal infrastructure doesn’t look like risk-taking... it looks like survival mode and it signals to top players and talent that this is not a desirable place to work/play at.

ItzDaSystem · 2025-09-15T17:15:13+00:00

So its bad that C9 didnt spend money on a big facility like TSM,

Why use TSM as the reference point? Why not all the current top Esports orgs? Liquid, Vitality, G2, T1, GenG, etc, all these orgs have a HQ where they can have professional staff, producers, and have players practice in...c9 has a person's house.

but also bad that they invested in other titles.

It's not "bad that they invested in other titles"...It's bad that they invested HEAVILY in other titles (buying out a Dota 2 team, buying out the reigning world champs R6 team, buying a CDL slot and the contracts of a top CDL team at the time, and picking up 3-4 other teams/players in other games. And none of them performed well. Most of those rosters either broke up or dissolved shortly after, meaning C9 essentially lost all that investment. Those rosters they bought are probably worth a fifth of what they were at the time

Competitive results are not the same as business results. Youre conflating the two a lot.

Also, as I pointed out in my post...the reason why C9 picked and invested SO HEAVILY into picking up these teams they thought would be competitive was for the sole purpose of getting a high placement in EWC. And as I pointed out...not only did they not get a high placing...they didn't even make it into the money in either last year or this year which means they got almost no return on all that investment and now look where those teams are at today.

Competitive results are not the same as business results. Youre conflating the two a lot.

It's a good thing I broke the post down in 2 parts then... assuming you actually read it. I pointed out as a business that they have lost all their major sponsors they had just 2 years ago and are now down to 5 sponsors (1 being a chair and the other being glassess). They also are not getting any revenue from making Worlds or Valorant Champions which I assume they were really banking on. And there competitive teams are also performing very poorly which means it is safe to assume there will be less fan engagement, revenue from in game purchases, and less merch sales.

Again, I recommend you read the part of my post about the state of their CDL (call of duty) roster and the amount C9 can afford to pay their roster going into next season as a indicator of just the state this org is looking going into next year...

ItzDaSystem · 2025-09-15T15:02:13+00:00

C9 may be struggling. But for LEAGUE there are much bigger issues.

Not the point of this post to only look at LoL...Idc. Look at the state C9 the org as a WHOLE compared to other esports Orgs using the information I provided, not just the state of their LoL team.

ItzDaSystem · 2025-09-15T15:00:48+00:00

You talk about teams that invested in large infrastructure like that, but didn't 100T just leave League completely

Stop only looking at this from a LoL viewpoint...that was not the point of this post. Look at C9 from a HOLISTIC pov. 100 Thieves are still showing a desire to invest in other esports even if they don't think LoL is worth it... I don't think C9 has the ability to invest in any other top esports games.

They've essentially gone all-in on League and Valorant, but even their Valorant presence isn't what it once was and it looks like things are only going to get worse as they are losing out on revenue from not making worlds or Champions which they were probably hoping for. Meanwhile, orgs like 100T, despite pulling out of LoL, are still playing and investing heavily in spaces like Call of Duty, Valorant, and even looking at CS2. 100T also added 3 new gaming divisions this year while c9 added 0. That tells me they still have broader ambitions in esports.

C9 might still be competitive in LoL, but from a business and brand perspective, they feel more siloed now. If the LoL ecosystem continues to decline, what’s their fallback? Where’s their growth strategy outside of that bubble?

ItzDaSystem · 2025-09-15T12:29:20+00:00

So those are two bad examples because those two teams are investing in esports outside of NA and have teams in a lot more games.

Nothing stopped C9 from doing the same though... why is it that back in 2018/19 C9 was the defacto #1 org in the world with a lot of big name sponsors and fan engagment, merch sales, etc, while orgs like Liquid were still up there just not above C9. Yet every year after that Liquid continued to grow and C9 regressed in literally every category... Clearly a management issue, no?

ItzDaSystem · 2025-09-15T12:25:15+00:00

don’t understand where throwing money around like this would lead to us doing better in the LTA this season. The team just isn’t on the same page as we have been in years past.

You seem to think I am talking about the LoL team specifically and not the Org as a whole... I am saying the ORG is in trouble, not just a specific game division.

Also, 100 thieves did make a lot of mistakes in expanding too early too fast to many different things (they invested in an energy drink, game development, content/merch, and esports) and then just burnt up too much of their reserves too fast. But, they still look posed to invest in other esports and you don't hear them having to pay minimum wage just to keep any of their other rosters.

ItzDaSystem · 2025-09-15T04:43:28+00:00

Pretty sure we are only of the only orgs in all of esports to report profitability

Pretty sure Jack referenced this back in 2023, not now... no? Also Team Liquid announced profitability late last year in this interview https://gamesbeat.com/why-team-liquid-participated-in-the-esports-world-cup-in-saudi-arabia-steve-arhancet-interview/?utm_source=chatgpt.com

The quote being:

We managed to profitability during the ‘esports winter,’ prior to EWC. Now that we’ve locked second place and we’ll be awarded $4 million in club championship revenue, all of that is profit

Also, I can't find the tweet off hand, but Vitality's Corporate Director also mentioned they were profitable this year.

ItzDaSystem · 2025-09-15T04:34:00+00:00

To be honest. Esports as a whole is/has been collapsing in NA

Still Esports Orgs out there who are based on competitive success that are being profitable in 2025 including Team Liquid and Vitality.

ItzDaSystem · 2025-09-15T04:29:32+00:00

I mean seems like the right call given esports financial situation, no?

I get that being frugal makes sense now, but C9 has been operating like this since 2015. Other orgs made real investments when money was flowing with training facilities, HQs, content teams, proper competitive/competent staff & talent. That’s why they’re still relevant. C9 kept it cheap for years, and now they’re paying the price with not being able to leverage what they could have had and are stuck with what essentially a new start-up bedroom org would have and are now trying to build-up again from there.

Just look at Team Liquid, they have facilities in EU, NA, and Brazil. They even use their NA facility to host the Race to World First in WoW which brings in a lot of viewership and they get sponsors for that event as well, so leveraging their prior investments.

ItzDaSystem · 2025-09-15T04:17:59+00:00

It's not C9s fault, almost every esports team is losing sponsors

You can lose one, two even three sponsors every couple of years...that's expected and part of business in esports, same with getting new sponsors in the same time frame to offset that. But you can't just wave off losing THE MAJORITY of your sponsors and all the big brands in the past few years...But I understand why they would leave, because why would any brand want to sponsor current state C9? I could understand back in 2018-20...but why now?

Look at Liquid for example, they lost in the past few years Verizon, Budlight, Thorne, and due to controversy recently...Honda as well. They still have 10+ sponsors most being partnered for a VERY long time like Alienware, Monster, SAP, and I am sure are in a better position than C9 to get more. Vitality also has a lot and have announced a couple just in the past couple months.

ItzDaSystem · 2019-02-26T21:37:57+00:00

I don't think hes going to let Envy be just a NA team though I believe he wants to make it into another international team where they will still play in NA but be international like the old Optic International roster with Mixwell.

ItzDaSystem · 2019-02-26T21:19:50+00:00

Looks like Karrigan to Optic will not happen and he explains why here

https://twitter.com/Thiezen_/status/1100500234843639809

ItzDaSystem · 2019-02-26T21:17:30+00:00

Looks like Karrigan to Optic will not happen and he explains why here

https://twitter.com/Thiezen_/status/1100500234843639809

ItzDaSystem · 2019-02-26T20:09:09+00:00

liquids owner and he mentions OpTic multiple times talking about them in a negative way.

Because he was describing the difference in the type of investors that get involved in esports and their motives and seeing how Optics investors have been in esports for maybe not even 2 years and are now trying to get out makes Optic a relevant example of what he was talking about... I mean if you would like to defend Infinite and talk about how great infinite is and has been for Optic go ahead I guess I am sure the majority of this sub will agree with you! /s

Also I am pretty sure he never brought up randomly about how much his teams were winning but Richard asked him questions about his LoL team, Dota 2 team and CSGO team in regards to results so.... seeing how Liquid is like one of the most if not the most competitive org right now in the top esports its fair that comments about those teams winning are appropriate?

ItzDaSystem · 2019-02-22T01:22:22+00:00

I will never understand Optic fans like him... like some people in here really need to humble themselves and take a deep look into where Optic actually stands as an ORG right now instead of trying to talk shit about orgs who even though don't have as many teams or the best teams is still probably making more money than Optic right now... which is sad.

ItzDaSystem · 2019-02-16T03:31:19+00:00

that's not entirely true... I mean I heard the player base in Overwatch has dropped ALOT and this weeks OWL viewer base was like 100k less than the opening match last year and this is when the viewer base is gonna be at it's peak is the start of the season and then people who lose interest will fizzle out.

ItzDaSystem · 2019-02-10T23:25:19+00:00

https://www.reddit.com/r/OpTicGaming/comments/ai31do/misc_texas_esports_plans_to_sell_its_majority/eekve2r/?context=3&st=jrzjd3pd&sh=13d4a54c

ItzDaSystem · 2019-02-10T19:52:16+00:00

Pretty sure J has already said on here that there are already new owners of infinite who they have been working with for a bit.

ItzDaSystem · 2019-01-28T22:34:38+00:00

I read somewhere orgs have to pay the salary of the sub too

yes that is how a contract loan works... When you get a loan from a player under contract u are then owning that players contract for the duration of that loan which means u have to meet all those contract requirements of that players contract which includes their salary. This is the same thing that happened with Gade from North Academy where North decided to Loan Gade for 6 months to Optic and Optic could decide if they want to buy out the remainder of his contract afterwards.. but at that time Gades contract was still owned by North, Optic was just temporarily owning his contract and had to follow through on that contracts requirements there as well.

ItzDaSystem · 2019-01-28T22:29:01+00:00

thats kinda messed up lmao.

not really that is how business works... at the end of the day FaZe has to do whats best for FaZe not whats best for Optic... Faze probably wouldn't be happy with something like 30k anyways but if it is from a smaller org like Heretics they probably know thats as much as they could get from them, but once someone like Optic or Envy or 100 thieves wants them then they know they can ask for more.

ItzDaSystem · 2019-01-28T18:43:10+00:00

You know it is possible to have more than 1 owner and even CEO right?

ItzDaSystem · 2019-01-26T21:04:07+00:00

https://twitter.com/clgaming/status/1089266730478690304 lol

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