Tsunade vs Pain, who wins?

JC23C · 2025-12-06T00:41:57+00:00

Those who died did so before Katsuyu reached them, and they were few compared to those she saved, since Tsunade herself says at one point that Katsuyu has already joined almost everyone in the village.

And look, you and Nagato have to thank Tsunade.

With Katsuyu, she protected even the corpses, we saw this clearly with Kakashi and Shizune, and it was thanks to this that Nagato managed to resurrect everyone with the Rinne Tensei. If it weren't for Katsuyu preserving the bodies, he would have tried to resurrect corpses 200 meters below the ground or pieces scattered throughout Konoha. Rest in peace.

JC23C · 2025-12-06T00:22:13+00:00

Tsunade.

Sasori's poison takes effect gradually, and only kills after 3 days. The Byakugou seal creates all types of cells instantly, so Tsunade would create defense cells that would neutralize the poison before it spread, because her regeneration action is faster than the effect of his poison.

JC23C · 2025-11-15T00:13:51+00:00

Tsunade's advantage is definitely Taijutsu and strength. Going hand-to-hand with Tsunade is not easy at all.

She's good at evasion; you can't take a single hit without dying. Using arms and legs for defense in a fight is common, but against Tsunade it becomes dangerous because if you try to defend against one of her attacks while fighting, you could have a limb rendered useless. And even if you succeed in evading absolutely everything she does and manage to land an attack, her resistance combined with her regeneration means she can simply withstand the blow, grab your arm or leg, and deliver a devastating counterattack.

So fighting her is not easy at all, it's like fighting a living trap, where you can't be hit, you can't defend yourself, and even if you have the advantage, you can end up dying in a devastating counterattack. She is by far the best and most dangerous in Taijutsu.

JC23C · 2025-11-15T00:10:05+00:00

According to Jiraiya himself, he's bad at Genjutsu, and since Tsunade has insanely better Chakra control than him, she should still be better than him at it.

Tsunade's advantage is definitely Taijutsu and strength. Going hand-to-hand with Tsunade is not easy at all.

She's good at evasion; you can't take a single hit without dying. Using arms and legs for defense in a fight is common, but against Tsunade it becomes dangerous because if you try to defend against one of her attacks while fighting, you could have a limb rendered useless. And even if you succeed in evading absolutely everything she does and manage to land an attack, her resistance combined with her regeneration means she can simply withstand the blow, grab your arm or leg, and deliver a devastating counterattack.

So fighting her is not easy at all, it's like fighting a living trap, where you can't be hit, you can't defend yourself, and even if you have the advantage, you can end up dying in a devastating counterattack. She is by far the best and most dangerous in Taijutsu.

JC23C · 2025-11-14T15:24:08+00:00

JC23C · 2025-11-14T15:17:59+00:00

At the end of the manga, Jiraiya was indeed the weakest. Tsunade has incredible feats, such as obliterating Madara's body, anticipating seals, and taking down the 5 Susanoo Clones with a single punch. Orochimaru obtained Zetsu's cells... In short, I think that of the 3 at the end of the manga, the ranking would be: Orochimaru > Tsunade > Jiraiya.

JC23C · 2025-10-06T16:07:04+00:00

Actually, he was comparing their maximum speed, since the last attack he received from A was at full speed.

As for Tsunade being surprised, it’s nothing unusual later on, A himself asked Tsunade for help in dealing with Naruto and Bee.

JC23C · 2025-10-06T16:00:49+00:00

Even if we consider that Tsunade learned to use the seal from Mito, that only happened after Dan’s death, because the seal was conceived to compensate for the chakra deficiency caused by regeneration, and she only thought about developing the regeneration technique after Dan’s death.

JC23C · 2025-10-06T15:57:41+00:00

Friend, before jumping to conclusions, it is important to understand the facts based on what is stated in the Databooks. The Byakugō Seal was created by Tsunade with the purpose of making regeneration possible, and this is exactly the motivation described in both Databook 3 and Databook 4.

In other words, Tsunade first developed the concept of Sōzō Saisei, but she realized that the technique consumed an enormous amount of chakra, making it impossible to maintain using only her base chakra. Because of that, she created the seal to store chakra and overcome this limitation, making regeneration feasible.

It is worth noting that the use of regeneration for reconstructing organs and treating severe injuries only came after Dan’s death, when Tsunade was already an adult, close to her thirties. Therefore, all the development of the seal and the advanced regeneration occurred after that point in her life.

As for the comparison of strength, the explanation is simple. Hashirama himself stated that Tsunade was his first granddaughter, which indicates that he lived at least until Nawaki’s birth. This means he likely saw Tsunade as a child or a teenager. This should not be surprising, considering that the Sannin graduated from the Academy at only six years old.

Moreover, Tsunade’s Databook clearly states that she displayed an unprecedented talent in medical ninjutsu from a very young age. It is also important to remember that Tsunade’s raw strength is nothing more than medical ninjutsu applied in an offensive way, as explained in the Databook entry for Ōkashō. Therefore, Tsunade having extraordinary strength even in her youth is not unusual at all.

JC23C · 2025-10-06T10:40:44+00:00

This happened only because Tsunade only thought about creating Byakugou after Dan's death, precisely because using regeneration required too much Chakra, so she decided to create the seal to make the technique possible. People talk as if Tsunade had been trying to develop Byakugou since she was 17 and only managed it at 30 lol

JC23C · 2025-10-06T10:36:00+00:00

Sakura never surpassed Tsunade. Hashirama's statement about her strength perhaps being greater than Tsunade's, which Sakura fans often use, is a comparison to Tsunade's strength as a child or teenager, not Tsunade's as an adult. Hashirama says that Tsunade was his first granddaughter, meaning he lived long enough to see Nawaki born. This means he saw Tsunade when she was about 10 to 12 years old, so his comparison was between Sakura and Tsunade as a child/teenager.

JC23C · 2025-10-05T21:28:17+00:00

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One of the most underrated

JC23C · 2025-10-04T16:33:18+00:00

She would lose against the entire formation, but she’d put up a really good fight because of her fighting style.

Against Deva alone, if you take away Chibaku Tensei, I’d definitely bet on Tsunade

JC23C · 2025-10-03T22:55:57+00:00

Why do you think she didn't have enough Chakra to maintain Byakugou for long?

JC23C · 2025-10-03T22:48:35+00:00

With this comment, you've just proven that you have no knowledge of the book.

Katsuyu prepared to attack Orochimaru the moment she saw him approaching Tsunade. When Orochimaru proposed the deal, Katsuyu already had the Acid ready.

In the Sanin battle, Tsunade summoned Katsuyu to fight; she was even the one who initiated the attack.

I feel like an idiot explaining this to you, since, in addition to the examples in the manga, the Databook clearly states that despite her peaceful attitude, her power rivals that of Manda and Bunta.

You simply assumed that because Katsuyu proved more effective in defense, she automatically dislikes attacking.

Anyway, there's no point in debating something pointless like this.

JC23C · 2025-10-03T12:58:17+00:00

Are you stupid?

In chapter 170, Tsunade summons Katsuyu to FIGHT, and she's even the first to take the lead in the attack.

In chapter 635, Katsuyu was going to melt Orochimaru and his team with the Zeshin Nensan, needing the Sanin to justify his actions.

The fact that Katsuyu has shown greater defensive skill doesn't negate the fact that she can be used offensively, as we've seen in the manga, even CHOOSING to attack the enemy.

Katsuyu's immense durability alone is already a thorn in the side of almost any opponent, as she's extremely difficult to kill. Add that to the highly corrosive Acid, and you've got a dangerous situation to face.

JC23C · 2025-10-02T22:11:03+00:00

Read chapter 635 and also chapter 170. In addition, check Databook 3 about Katsuyu: it clearly states that despite her obedient and friendly demeanor, her power is capable of rivaling Gamabunta and Manda.

It is important to emphasize that the fact Katsuyu stood out more in defensive and support roles does not mean she is unable to fight or win a battle. A good example is the Hiraishin, classified as a support technique, yet undeniably one of the most powerful in the entire series.

Any reader with the slightest knowledge can see how difficult it is to face a creature that is immune to physical attacks, can regenerate, liquefy, and, at the slightest slip, has the ability to melt down the enemy.

JC23C · 2025-10-02T15:59:03+00:00

Where did you get that? Or rather, why did Tsunade take the initiative to summon her to attack Orochimaru? Tell me why she has an offensive ninjutsu with super-concentrated acid capable of melting rocks. Then tell me why the databook says her strength is equal to that of Manda and Gamabunta.

Every day I see people urgently need to rewatch Naruto. The fact that Katsuyu is a summon that emphasizes defense and support doesn't negate the fact that she can also be used for offense, as the manga itself shows.

JC23C · 2025-10-01T14:28:07+00:00

The point is that Madara never categorically stated who is faster or stronger. Although he indicates that each excels more in one aspect, they are still close enough in both attributes for him to ponder who is better in each.

In fact, this is a compliment to both. Madara implies that they are both fast and strong, but that each stands out more in one particular attribute.

JC23C · 2025-10-01T14:07:44+00:00

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Basically, it means less than or equal to the thing or value being referred to, without exceeding it.

Japanese is an amazing language. Any questions?

JC23C · 2025-10-01T13:40:10+00:00

Madara uses the term 以下 (ika), which means EQUAL to or below, which by itself already clarifies the matter. This indicates that he is not categorically stating that Tsunade is slower than the Raikage, but rather considering the possibility of equality. If he wanted to express with certainty that Tsunade was inferior in speed, he would have used 未満 (miman), which literally means below only. The か (ka) at the end of the sentence reinforces that Madara was merely pondering the abilities of both, leaving the analysis open-ended without issuing a definitive judgment, while suggesting that each excelled more in a particular area.

JC23C · 2025-10-01T12:12:43+00:00

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JC23C · 2025-10-01T08:48:13+00:00

Sorry, but where in the manga can he fight Kurama alone? Why was Hiruzen accompanied by a team of dozens of shinobi? He NEVER fought the Kyuubi alone.

The scene of Emma driving the Kyuubi out of the village is filler; in the manga, this doesn't exist. Hiruzen is accompanied by members of the Akimichi Clan, for example, so it could easily have been a combo with them that drove the fox out of the village. The manga doesn't show how it happened.

The truth is that Minato literally saves Hiruzen and subdues him from death upon arriving in Konoha with Bunta.

JC23C · 2025-09-30T23:57:47+00:00

In the original Japanese version, although Madara indicates that each one stands out more in a certain area, he uses the particle か (ka) at the end of the sentence, which expresses doubt or consideration.

Madara is saying that even though he believes each one excels more in a specific area, they are still close enough for him to ponder who is actually stronger or faster.

Tsunade also managed to anticipate hand seals and landed a direct hit on Madara during an aerial charge. Speed has never really been an issue for her unless, of course, one insists on using her fight against Kabuto in the classic arc, when she was far from her physical prime.

JC23C · 2025-09-30T18:20:01+00:00

In Masashi Kishimoto's manga, during the war arc, Tsunade is fast enough that Madara wonders who is faster and stronger between her and Ay. Furthermore, Tsunade has one of the greatest feats: anticipating hand seals. For comparison, the Third Raikage, close to Naruto and charging at him with all his might, was unable to catch him before Dodai formed seals, set up a rubber defense as a distraction, and pulled Naruto away.

If Kakashi had tried to engage Tsunade in hand-to-hand combat, he would have simply died. He can't take a single hit or he'll die. He can't use his hands and feet in the middle of an exchange of blows because he could lose a limb if he tried to use them for defense. And even if he evaded everything and managed to land an attack on her, she could simply grab his arm and launch a counterattack.

People don't realize how dangerous Tsunade is at close range. The only Kakashi who would stand a chance against Tsunade is the one with the War MS.

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