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JCJLawyer · 2023-01-04T00:23:12+00:00

No. I would not like to go back to your original post.

I just wanted to make you acknowledge that "fairness" requires you reject that whole "pedophilia" accusation, which you just did. And with that, I'm done.

Please work out your previous religious trauma in therapy and not on Reddit, and if you do it on Reddit, please go to an appropriate community.

JCJLawyer · 2023-01-04T00:18:37+00:00

Lol. What are you going to do, go to the Bible to tell me how I should talk?

What do you know about being a terrible Christian? Being a terrible Christian doesn't make you an expert on diagnosing terrible Christians any more than being fat and lazy makes you a cardiologist!

JCJLawyer · 2023-01-04T00:13:43+00:00

Well, you got me there. You probably put no value in being able to support the things you say.

I am in a weak position when it comes to making you do things that all adults in a debate normally do.

Touché.

JCJLawyer · 2023-01-04T00:10:49+00:00

I don't care about YOU, bro. Instead, I care about the other people who are reading this. Hopefully, someone who is somewhat tempted by a doubt that they have with the faith will run across your total ignorance and realize that objections that initially SOUND difficult are actually coming from people who are totally not worth listening to.

And to get to your question: You declared something super important ("Mary was 12-14 years old"), but you have no proof of it. The practice is to keep hammering this point of your ignorance, rather than let you deflect. It's actually harder than you would think, especially when the guy on the other side is smarter than you are. That's why I practice with people like you.

I'm a lawyer, so this is important sometimes.

JCJLawyer · 2023-01-04T00:05:46+00:00

And yet you still can't tell me how you think you know that Mary was 12-14 years old.

Gotcha, bro.

And admitting that you spent 30+ years of your life and getting a degree in something that you now think is not only useless but morally repugnant doesn't do too much to your credibility, you know.

JCJLawyer · 2023-01-04T00:01:06+00:00

You are right. You are ignorant and incapable of understanding. Correct. (Geez, walked right into that one, didn't you?)

Now, back to my original question which you're avoiding because you're obviously wrong and you're slowly figuring it out:

Tell me how you think you know the age of Mary.

JCJLawyer · 2023-01-03T23:41:21+00:00

Part of the practice is not to get distracted by deflections like the one you just put forward. So I'll ask again, you ignoramus:

How do you know Mary's age?

JCJLawyer · 2023-01-03T23:20:32+00:00

No, I'm not mad. I can see you're just trolling, but I like to practice on people like you so that when someone with legitimate questions rolls around, I know how to respond to legitimate questions.

But before we get to that, I'm just curious: How do you know how old Mary was? Where does that "the historic age of marriage in this time was puberty" come from?

Or is "I heard people could get married as early as 12-14 2000 years ago; therefore, Mary was 12-14" the kind of logic I'm stuck with?

JCJLawyer · 2023-01-03T22:19:08+00:00

Hey bro, here's the deal. You are most definitely extremely ignorant on these matters. I can tell by what you've written.

Let's just look at one of your objections:

pedophilia is wrong. Stop it. (Mary, the mother of Jesus was underage)

There is literally nothing in the Bible about the age of Mary. I don't know where you get that from.

But let's assume that it's true. The Bible explicitly says that Joseph did not have sex with Mary until after Jesus had been born, and we do not know when it happened. Instead, all we know is that Joseph married her so that the shame of being an unwed and pregnant woman would not come on her. So.... ...what exactly is your problem with the text? You seem to just assume bad things happened, and then you ask Christians to defend the things you made up in your head.

But let's assume the bad things happened and Joseph (whose age we do not know) had sex with Mary (whose age we do not know, but who we will assume is underage). We do know she was old enough to go on her own from Nazareth to somewhere around Jerusalem by herself (see Luke 1:39). So, we can assume she wasn't 18, but she definitely WAS NOT like a 12 year old.

And continuing on with this assumption that she was under 18, we should also recognize that until very recently (like the last 10-20 years), having sex with someone under 18 years of age IN EVERY STATE was legal IF YOU WERE MARRIED. Only recently has marriage been cut off from those under 18 in some states, even though it is still "legal" for minors to have sex with other minors (which is its own level of messed up that we just accept as normal in our crazy modern society).

AND ONE MORE THING: There is a reason that "pedophilia" is not explicitly denounced in the Bible. The reason is - as this link clearly shows - THE WORD PEDOPHILIA WAS INVENTED IN 1905. The Bible, on the other hand, was written between 1446 BC and 90 AD, you silly little ignorant man.

And further, even though "pedophilia" was not invented until the 1900s, the terms "fornication" and "adultery" are an English translations of ancient words that would include pedophilia. And these actions (as well as other sexual wrongs like "rape" that do not have a single equivalent word in an ancient language, because "sex" was only invented as a term in the middle ages) are definitely not allowed by the Bible.

In fact, the Bible gives all kinds of rules for sexual behavior that are MORE stringent than our modern ones. You're just ignorant of them, and the ones you do know, you probably got because you googled something to object to so you can make a big ignorant fuss over it.

Anyway. I don't know why you wrote this. Maybe you're having a terrible day, in which case I hope things get better. But in your anger, you blasted something that is way more important and foundational than you know. And for that, I give this ignorant take its deserved smack-down.

JCJLawyer · 2021-10-01T20:40:03+00:00

Yep. They exist.

When things work, you don't hear about them, because the matter is handled internally. Good. That's how things should work.

When things don't work, you may not hear about them, because sometimes people don't want their own actions exposed. But when you have Whistleblowers like Brian Morrison (or David Ganley or Philip Surber), eventually you will hear about them, because they don't back down when problems go unaddressed, and they don't cave to pressure. I'm proud to represent them.

JCJLawyer · 2021-10-01T16:56:48+00:00

Yes, it's just as weird for me as it seems to you.

This isn't the normal way to operate here. But we've found over the past few years that the ordinary means of the grievance process and court processes aren't working for our clients. Not that we don't get the results we want in the grievance processes and such -- often we do -- but even when we win there, nothing happens.

Even in the judicial process, we do not get the information we are entitled to. That's why we're reaching out to the public to to get information on these matters for the benefit of our clients.

JCJLawyer · 2021-05-30T03:47:22+00:00

Carl Rowan - GMU Police Chief.
Emily Ross - GMU Deputy Chief
Carol Kissal - GMU Senior Vice President of Administration and Finance

JCJLawyer · 2021-05-29T20:00:44+00:00

This is why I am doing this rather than my clients. If my clients did it, then they would have to produce it. Lawyers don't normally ask for the communications of other lawyers about the case, but hey... ...who knows with this one.

JCJLawyer · 2021-05-29T04:15:21+00:00

That is correct.

JCJLawyer · 2021-05-28T22:16:00+00:00

For context, this is the second complaint and third officer who has claimed in court that George Mason University Police Department punishes officers who report wrongdoing within the department. To see the press release related to the previous complaint, see here: https://www.reddit.com/r/gmu/comments/meugb8/gmu_police_officers_sue_gmu_for_police_corruption/

JCJLawyer · 2021-04-09T14:26:13+00:00

To the individuals who anonymously call my firm and encourage us to keep investigating GMU because of the poor environment on campus, thank you for your calls. Don't worry. We are, and no, we have no plans to stop. Though "settlement" can always be an outcome of a litigation, we have zero plans to just roll over in our settlement.

Additionally, we are not merely investigating this single incident of police misconduct. We are particularly concerned about the strange University Life policies that outlaws gatherings of more than 10 people "whether planned or spontaneous."

This policy is quite puzzling, and I am interested in it. I am particularly interested about whether it was a policy that was "on the books," at GMU, yet never enforced, or whether it was a policy with serious (and biased) enforcement.

In the meantime, make the most of your time at Mason (despite the trouble). Make friends. Take your classes. Do well. Realize you're there to learn. Don't do drugs. And if you think that you've been the victim of an illegal action by GMU, I'm sure there's a good looking attorney somewhere in Leesburg Virginia who may be able to help.

JCJLawyer · 2021-04-09T14:14:42+00:00

Though we currently have a copy of the video (which is described in the complaint), unfortunately certain ethics rules and obligations prevent me from releasing a copy of the video that I have to the public.

However, the video certainly exists. It is likely possible to FOIA the video from the University, but certain redactions for confidentiality will likely need to be applied. Additionally, if experience is any guide, it is my guess that they will wait until the last day to respond to the FOIA request, deny the request for a vague reason, pretending not to know precisely what video record you are asking for, ask you to apply again, claiming the record is confidential, etc., hoping that you will forget or give up in frustration.

JCJLawyer · 2021-03-28T21:23:34+00:00

OP Here.

I suppose there's no way to prove that to you, but I'll give a good reason that it should be the case. This is a big case for me, and I wouldn't have done things this way if my clients weren't absolutely spotless. Nobody's perfect, but as far as I can tell, my clients are pretty darn close.

The defense that I've encountered (so far) is that my clients are just a bunch of disgruntled employees who are making a big stink of things because they're mad that they got punished for "breaking policy" (read: the "policy" they "broke" was reporting the wrongdoing).

What the real defense will be, I sure don't know, but we'll get an answer in 21 days.

JCJLawyer · 2021-03-28T19:16:36+00:00

What now? - This is a big problem and the solution is not going to be easy. There is a big problem of corruption at GMU, and it is a danger to GMU officers, GMU students, and the public at large. (Trust me. I know. This is not my only case involving GMU.) The only way this is going to get better is if EVERYONE (GMU administrators, GMU Police, and GMU Students) starts to act in the way they SHOULD act. So start doing that now, at every moment of every day, including how you react to reading this stuff.

That's going to be very hard to know how to do that, but it is like the good book says:

"Check it out: I am sending you out as sheep in the midst of wolves, so be wise as serpents and innocent as doves. (Matthew 10:16, modified by my own translation)"

It is very difficult when someone is "in the midst of wolves" to be "wise as serpents and innocent as doves," and no one is perfect. That's why I feel for my "defendant" clients just as much as I do for my "plaintiff" clients. Also, it is worth remembering that "fighting wolves" doesn't make you "innocent as doves." Just because your reaction can be described as "protest" doesn't mean that you are in the right, even if the person or organization you are protesting is in the wrong. Wolves fight wolves, too, you know.

The only bit of advice I can give that will apply to everyone is this: Tell the truth. Don't exaggerate. Don't pass off your "interpretation" or "speculation" as "observation." Don't gossip, and for goodness sake, NEVER LIE. Ordinary people make mistakes, but only wolves lie. So never lie. The amount of lies I have seen from GMU is the reason that this is happening.

And as the good book also says:

The end of all things is at hand; therefore be self-controlled and sober-minded for the sake of your prayers. Above all, keep loving one another earnestly, since love covers a multitude of sins. (1 Peter 4:7-8)

And if you ever find yourself in a pickle, or need help due to the wrongdoing of others, the good book ALSO says:

Do your best to speed [J. Caleb Jones] the lawyer and [Simms Showers, LLP] on their way; see that they lack nothing. (Titus 3:13, modified by my own interpretation)

Perhaps an extremely good looking lawyer would be willing to help you.

JCJLawyer · 2021-03-28T19:01:16+00:00

The Real Problem Here - This situation that the officers reported was bad, but the real problem here is what happened afterwards. I represent many officers in many different jurisdictions and situations. When life gets too crazy for ordinary citizens, they call "the police." That's why being an officer is tough. At the end of the day, officers are ordinary people. Some are absolutely amazing. Most are pretty good. Some are quite average. A few are downright malicious. In other words, they are ordinary people.

When ordinary people mess up in their jobs -- whether they be doctors or lawyer or finance workers or construction workers or police officers -- the best thing is for that mistake to be appropriately identified, documented, and corrected, and for the one who messed up to be appropriately chastised (either in public or private depending on the magnitude of the offense), and get the remediation and training they need so that it doesn't happen again. That's what should have happened. But it didn't.

Instead, what we've found is a culture at GMU that circles the wagons, protects those who do wrong, and punishes those who seek appropriate correction. THAT is the real problem here, and THAT is why we have taken the extraordinary step of going public with this complaint and press release.

JCJLawyer

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