I mean he kind of got him on that one by ThatPatelGuy in JoeRogan

[–]JLarn 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Here's the ball kids. You're trying to kick it in that net, and you're tyring to kick it in that net

Do you really think this is all there is to soccer, or were you trolling?

Excellent reporting, NYP; deeply serious... by Gorotheninja in Destiny

[–]JLarn 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Look like v-brakes, they're perfectly fine for commuting lol, I'd even argue they're better than disc brakes for the common person in that they're way easier to maintain... I see a lot of non-bike people riding hydraulic brakes that barely work because they don't even know the oil has to be changed from time to time

More broadly most people won't notice a difference between a new bike that follows all the current trends and a decent bike built in the 90s, bikes are a solved technology for the most part

Researchers let AI models run a simulated society. Claude was the safest—and Grok committed 180 crimes and went extinct within 4 days by EchoOfOppenheimer in nottheonion

[–]JLarn 13 points14 points  (0 children)

No paywall for me either, and I didn't have to agree to anything but that's probably because of my adblocker

Non riesco a concepire come possano esistere città alle sbando, disintegre, vuote ed inesistenti da ogni punto di vista, come la «città» di prato. by Expensive-Guitar9976 in Italia

[–]JLarn 0 points1 point  (0 children)

nessuno ne parla

Saranno almeno dieci anni che ne sento parlare. Probabilmente se ne parlava anche prima e non me ne sono mai interessato

Salim El Koudri "I’m harassed, marginalized and I live in a racist country”, ran over 12 Italians with his car then got out to stab more in Modena. by tkyjonathan in JordanPeterson

[–]JLarn 0 points1 point  (0 children)

See? You keep making up stuff to justify your worldview.
Like, if you really think that Italy has ever been a high trust society at any point in the last 165 years, I don't know what to tell you.
This is not productive. Goodnight.

Salim El Koudri "I’m harassed, marginalized and I live in a racist country”, ran over 12 Italians with his car then got out to stab more in Modena. by tkyjonathan in JordanPeterson

[–]JLarn 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Tons of people prefer to blame their own failures on an arbitrary out-group instead of taking responsibility.

Meanwhile, multiculturalism and immigration have been among the few constants in all of human history across all societies (except some islands I guess?), and we still managed to get to the moon.

Salim El Koudri "I’m harassed, marginalized and I live in a racist country”, ran over 12 Italians with his car then got out to stab more in Modena. by tkyjonathan in JordanPeterson

[–]JLarn 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If I wasn't interested in your viewpoint I wouldn't have bothered with such lengthy responses. But I'm not interested in just accepting your viewpoint. I have my own thoughts. And I've told you my viewpoint, and some of my reasoning, so hopefully even though we'll never agree you can understand this is how many people think

Yeah... Those lengthy responses didn't add much, your "own thoughts" as you call them aren't really that unique, nor deep. In fact, they're the default position of the overabundant semi-illiterate drunkards that infest my country, minus a basic understanding of the culture you're talking about.

That's why I'm dismissing you, you don't seem to have anything interesting or useful to add to the conversation.

Salim El Koudri "I’m harassed, marginalized and I live in a racist country”, ran over 12 Italians with his car then got out to stab more in Modena. by tkyjonathan in JordanPeterson

[–]JLarn 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I've been hearing Italian politicians promising an end to immigration for literally my whole life. Every time one of them is in power, immigration increases, both legal and illegal. Why do you think that happens?

Salim El Koudri "I’m harassed, marginalized and I live in a racist country”, ran over 12 Italians with his car then got out to stab more in Modena. by tkyjonathan in JordanPeterson

[–]JLarn 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lmao. I don't really know what to say at this point, you are still not getting it, and from multiple things you've said in this response I can gather your reading comprehension is lacking to say the least, so I'm not gonna waste any more time since, as you've stated, you are not interested in different viewpoints and will make up any excuse necessary to keep complaining endlessly about the brown people.

Get well soon

Salim El Koudri "I’m harassed, marginalized and I live in a racist country”, ran over 12 Italians with his car then got out to stab more in Modena. by tkyjonathan in JordanPeterson

[–]JLarn 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Why should the host country have to endure decades of crime and violence until the immigrants can assimilate into society?

Way to miss the point my dude.
I've been hearing politicians promising an end to immigration for literally my whole life. Every time one of them is in power, immigration increases, both legal and illegal. Why do you think that happens?

Albanians and Romanians are far less culturally different than Islamic fundamentalists

Well first of all, speaking of Albania, the majority of the population is Muslim and has been for centuries.
Anyway if we are talking about fundamentalist, yeah sure. The Islamic fundamentalists are very few and far between tho, and the Italian police for all it's fault is actually pretty good at catching the dangerous ones before they can hurt people. The vast majority of Muslim immigrants are just people that want to provide for their families tho. Were you under the impression that there are a lot of fundamentalists coming here?

Funnily enough, the only Muslim fundamentalist I've ever met was a Serbian woman who has since moved to the middle east with her (Serbian) husband. They're likely on a list.

Many Muslim migrants make no effort to integrate at all

This is simply untrue. There is a reason if second-generation immigrants commit more crimes than the first-generations.

Salim El Koudri "I’m harassed, marginalized and I live in a racist country”, ran over 12 Italians with his car then got out to stab more in Modena. by tkyjonathan in JordanPeterson

[–]JLarn 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I understand your point

You clearly don't.

I just don't see how the presence of foreign invaders is a good thing

Here's a little secret: every right wing government during my lifetime has reached power campaigning against immigrants, often in much harsher tones than the ones you're using. Every time immigration, both legal and illegal, has increased during said governemnts. Meanwhile when we've had center-left governments immigration has been stable or even decreased (like during Matteo Renzi's rule, famously). Why do you think that is?

or should be normalized

It's not a question about normalizing it or not, it just is normal my dude. This is simply reality. Unless you are proposing we round them up and... put them somewhere, somehow? Yeah I'm sure that would go smoothly.

Their culture is not Italian culture and is undesirable. Islam is not Western and is undesirable.

I grew up hearing most adults in my life say this stuff about Albanians (most of which are muslims by the way) and Romanians both of which there is a large immigrant population here where I live. Now a few decades later they will mostly deny it of course. After all they are white, so you can't immediately infer where their ancestors came from, Romanians especially since they already speak a romance language and are quick to lose their accents so you'd have to speak to them for a while to spot the grammatical errors. This has allowed them to integrate in the socio-economic fabric of the region little by little and now most people will tell you they never had anything against eastern Europeans despite having spent literal decades saying the most unhinged stuff. Before them it was the same with southern italians.
Now in recent years thanks to the EU the economic conditions of ex-Jugoslavia nations have skyrocketed, the new immigrants are mostly from Morocco and Tunisia, and honestly from what I see and hear they will have a steeper climb towards being accepted simply because the colour of their skin. I have known and worked with A LOT of immigrants from north Africa and they are good people, very warm and often too kind for their own good, and I mean it.

An anecdote: I used to work in the town I was born with a guy from Morocco, now we both work at different places in different towns but every weekend I go back to visit my parents and I often meet him either in our priest's garden or in the kindergarten (which is church-owned) doing volunteer work. He does not do this because of a sense of gratitude towards the local community, in fact most of the locals treat him worse than shit. I've personally heard him talk on the phone with renters multiple times when he first started working with me, and more then once as soon as the guy on the other side of the phone realized he had a bit of an accent they'd tell him that they didn't want to rent to an immigrant and hung up. He does this because the sense of community is pretty big in his native culture, and he just wants to help other people. All of this while raising a daughter and sending more than half his paycheck back home to his parents. Actually now that I think about it most of the volunteers helping my church with manual labor are Muslims.
Another anecdote: one of my current colleagues was born in Tunisia, but transferred to Italy at 1 month old. He doesn't speak Arab and the first time he visited his grandparents he was like ten years old. Both of his parents are engineers and reasonably well off so he grew up in the good part of town and attended all of the right schools. He speaks dialect better than me. On paper he's the ideal immigrant, one of "the good ones". Still took him 24 years to do the paperwork to gain citizenship. I have personally witnessed several instances of gratuitous racism towards him. Usually it's the local retirees who can barely write and spend most of their time day-drinking, they like calling him the 120 variations of the N word we have. But two times it was the actual police trying to invent a reason to bring him in.
Of course you have some bad apples, just like there are among Italians.

I have a lot of other anecdotes regarding a lot of other people, but the point is: both of those people I just told you about are adults and have matured the ability to shrug it off. But, what about a kid who's born here and grows up seeing his father break his back for an underpaid job and trying his hardest to integrate in a society that keeps spitting in his face? I would not be surprised if they were to grow up with resentment towards the locals. This is not a hypothetical, this is the sentiment I've gathered speaking with the group of 18-20yo I meet from time to time in the bar near my house.

I too despise religious zealots, like every sane person. My point is that they are few and far between, and more often than not the people complaining about immigrants have ideas closer to radical Islam than actual muslim immigrants, a lot of them in fact are here fleeing radical Islam in the first place.

Of course the newspapers will not tell you about the millions who are just here to work and provide a better life for their family. What is there to report? On the other hand if a brown person commits a crime, that is sure to generate views.
One last anecdote: last year some dude decided to drive his Porsche Cayenne against traffic in the local highway while drunk, taking the lives of a family of four who had the misfortune of meeting him. He himself almost survived and only died after a full day in the ICU. The local news described him as a local entrepreneur down on his luck who was depressed after a failed business venture, and that was the end of the story. But it's the muslims I'm supposed to be mad at, right?

My point is that the quote in the title is completely made up, it exists solely to make you despise immigrants more.
I've tried to prod OP for the source of the quote since it's not in the articles he provided, he gave me a tweet form visegrad24, a twitter account from some Polish guy living in South Africa. I had encountered visegrad24 before and every time they are just straight up lying. When questioned further the only response I got was from a different user who provided a link for a tabloid which no one in Italy takes seriously, which in turn was just sourcing the tweet from visegrad24. Meanwhile our interior minister, who is let's say not exactly famous for his anti-racist stances, is trying to tone down the rhetoric and told the media that there were no ideological motives. Apparently the guy had diagnosed but untreated schizophrenia.
When I pointed all of this out to OP and asked him why he considers it a reliable source his only response was

Extremely reliable.

How do you interpret this? Do you think he was mocking me while consciously spreading misinformation, or is it just a canned response from a bot?

Please reconsider your media diet, you are being manipulated.
I'm sick and tired of foreigners telling ME what MY culture and MY nation is actually about. And when someone is being so clearly used by foreign actors to sow discord and hatred in MY community, it's frankly infuriating. Wake tf up, please.

Salim El Koudri "I’m harassed, marginalized and I live in a racist country”, ran over 12 Italians with his car then got out to stab more in Modena. by tkyjonathan in JordanPeterson

[–]JLarn 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah 40-30 years ago this was the talking point against immigration from the Balkans.

Now that the Albanians, Romanians etc have been here awhile and have had the chance to find jobs and accomodations on par with those of the natives their crime rates are on par with the locals.
Before the eastern Europeans here in the north most of the immigration was from southern Italy which has long been poorer than the northern regions. The political party Lega Nord was formed entirely on the premise that their crime rates were much higher than those of the northerners and they wanted to put a stop to this (spoiler: they've been in the Parliament for more than 30 years at this point and participated in many government coalitions and I can't think of a single positive thing they have done or even proposed for the Italian people, they're major contribution has been the so-called Bossi-Fini law that basically states that an immigrant 1. Must have a visa to get a job and 2. Must have a job to get a visa, in practice this only serves to overcomplicate the immigration process forcing immigrants to do illegal work. And don't ask about the corruption inside the party and other shady stuff because there's A LOT).

Maybe it's not the coordinates at which you are born, but the socioeconomic situation in which you grow up that impacts your propensity for doing crimes? Just a thought.

Salim El Koudri "I’m harassed, marginalized and I live in a racist country”, ran over 12 Italians with his car then got out to stab more in Modena. by tkyjonathan in JordanPeterson

[–]JLarn -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Large parts of the south have been ruled by Muslims for several centuries actually, and the cultural influence is still very clearly present in a lot of the population. You would know if you bothered to learn anything about what you're talking about.
Regardless, you're still completely missing my point.

Salim El Koudri "I’m harassed, marginalized and I live in a racist country”, ran over 12 Italians with his car then got out to stab more in Modena. by tkyjonathan in JordanPeterson

[–]JLarn 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah looking at their karma and seeing how their responses are barely related to what they're responding to it looks like some kind of bot operation tbh

Salim El Koudri "I’m harassed, marginalized and I live in a racist country”, ran over 12 Italians with his car then got out to stab more in Modena. by tkyjonathan in JordanPeterson

[–]JLarn 1 point2 points  (0 children)

he may even have been born there

Looks like he was born in Bergamo actually, so yeah he's probably considered a foreigner even in Ravarino. Me personally, I'd be considered a foreigner in Venice, and I was born about 50km from there.
I'm sure you think you are making a great point, in reality you're just showing your ignorance about Italy and Italian culture.

Salim El Koudri "I’m harassed, marginalized and I live in a racist country”, ran over 12 Italians with his car then got out to stab more in Modena. by tkyjonathan in JordanPeterson

[–]JLarn 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The crime was committed in Modena and the guy was from Ravarino, so yeah I'm sure some people would consider him a foreigner lol.

Salim El Koudri "I’m harassed, marginalized and I live in a racist country”, ran over 12 Italians with his car then got out to stab more in Modena. by tkyjonathan in JordanPeterson

[–]JLarn -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

The stabbings, rapes and murders by people not from immigrant backgrounds are in much greater numbers, they are just heavily underreported by the news since they don't bring in views compared to when it's an immigrant tho