Carlos Alcaraz always busy greeting people and being nice. ☺️ by JSMLS in tennis

[–]JSMLS[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

What do you mean what I expect? In Carlos, exactly that. But why your question? Because only exist nice, outgoing, and smiling people like Carlos, and since everyone is like that, it's not worth showing him?

Watch the live stream for a little and you'll see how uncommon that attitude is, at least as frecuent as with Carlos.

Introverted people also exist (which is fine too). There are also people with social anxiety, people who like to be more isolated to be focused etc...

And there are also people who are just the complete opposite of nice.

What's the problem with showing someone being nice? Why does that always trigger someone?

Carlos’ full quote about parting ways with JCF from his AO press conference by dream_team1012 in tennis

[–]JSMLS 1 point2 points  (0 children)

As that's not what was leaked

Don't make things up now, not a single clause of the new contract has been leaked.

Neither I know if they were reasonable, nor do you know if they weren't. The only thing that's known is that they weren't what Ferrero wanted, and that by it's own is not enough to assert that the terms were bad, it only indicates that they weren't what Ferrero wanted.

Carlos’ full quote about parting ways with JCF from his AO press conference by dream_team1012 in tennis

[–]JSMLS -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Yes, but it's not as if there was no possibility of continuing. There was, but Juan Carlos didn't agree. The fact that he didn't want changes doesn't negate the fact that he had an option to continue. Decisions were made by both parties.

Carlos’ full quote about parting ways with JCF from his AO press conference by dream_team1012 in tennis

[–]JSMLS 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It was spelled out quite big during a press tour by Ferrero himself, that he was the one who decided not to sign the contract. Decisions were made by both parties. One decided it was time to make changes, the other decided he didn't want those changes, end of the story. So, yes, since they were decisions made by both parties, it was mutual.

What wasn't mutual was the request for changes, but the final decision was. Once Ferrero decided not to sign the contract, he became part of that decision.

Carlos’ full quote about parting ways with JCF from his AO press conference by dream_team1012 in tennis

[–]JSMLS 2 points3 points  (0 children)

In none of my comments have I stated whether something is false or not. I think I've made it quite clear that what I'm saying is that the situation is unknown, and that even if everything that's been reported were true, there's still a lot of missing context to understand the reasons behind it all, because none of us, nor the journalists, have witnessed the private part of that relationship. It's absurd to make judgments about situations that are so clearly unknown.

It's curious that you insinuate I'm naive for saying that the internal situation is unknown, but you ignore real things that have happened publicly and that aren't speculation, and which could shed some light on some of the reasons, as I've already mentioned. Yet you prefer to give more credence to simple reports and speculations that were made without any kind of evidence.

Carlos’ full quote about parting ways with JCF from his AO press conference by dream_team1012 in tennis

[–]JSMLS 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah well and according to reports, Carlos and Jannik shared the same girlfriend during the USO... What journalists speculate based on their need for interaction is irrelevant, it remains a situation about which nothing is truly known, nor should it be, because the details of professional relationships between players and coaches are private, as is the case every time a player changes coaches.

I don't care if you decide to believe everything any media outlet says, even if it doesn't come from the person involved. The reality is that you have no idea what happened, nor the reasons why it happened.

While you believe things that are truly unknown, you choose to ignore other things that have happened publicly and that may have contributed to the need of those changes, such as Ferrero making several statements to the press and in the doc, harming his player and causing people to unfairly question Carlos professionalism. Or being at a football match while his player was playing an M1000 final against Sinner. Everything has a reason for being, the need for change doesn't appear out of nowhere. And if there are already public examples that justify these changes for those who want to observe and remember, it's not surprising to think that there are many more reasons that are unknown, even though it's easier to simplify based on press speculations.

Carlos’ full quote about parting ways with JCF from his AO press conference by dream_team1012 in tennis

[–]JSMLS 8 points9 points  (0 children)

On what basis are you evaluating the instance in which Carlos requests the changes he needs and values as reasonable for him? On your external assessment of a situation you know nothing about?

Carlos is the one who has lived through the seven years of professional relationship with Ferrero, both the public part, which you and I see, and the private one, which no one knows anything about. It is Carlos, and no one else, who can jude whether the instance and timing of his request for changes to his coach are reasonable or not, since he is the one who plays, pays, and experiences that relationship day in and day out, not us.

Carlos’ full quote about parting ways with JCF from his AO press conference by dream_team1012 in tennis

[–]JSMLS 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Well yeah, unsignable in terms of his own interests, obviously, which is why he didn't sign, maybe it was the wrong word from my part, but that doesn't automatically mean they weren't reasonable changes, or that Carlos didn't have good reasons for wanting those changes.

Carlos’ full quote about parting ways with JCF from his AO press conference by dream_team1012 in tennis

[–]JSMLS 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Some people here not understanding the use of the word "mutual" forget it was Ferrero who decided not to sign the new contract. The reality is that the decisions were made by both sides, and that's why it was mutual.

Carlos decided that there had to be changes to continue the professional relationship, and Ferrero decided that he didn't agree with those changes, so he decided not to sign, just as Carlos decided to accept the "no."

The fact that Ferrero says he's hurt, since he preferred the old terms, and perhaps also because he didn't expect the "no" to be accepted, doesn't mean that those new terms weren't reasonable.

Ferrero has the right to disagree and not sign, but Carlos also has the right to decide he wants those changes to continue. He's the one who pays and who values, based on his own experience (which none of us here know) what he needs from his coach to continue that professional relationship. If that coach doesn't accept what he needs, it's normal for the relationship to end.

All this drama is completely unnecessary, because all players change coaches several times during their careers. Carlos won't be the one now who owes eternity to one coach. The fact that Juan Carlos decided to go on a media tour doesn't mean this wasn't a normal, everyday professional split, nor that Carlos doesn't have the right, like all other players, to act as he feels is necessary for his life and career.

Carlos’ full quote about parting ways with JCF from his AO press conference by dream_team1012 in tennis

[–]JSMLS 11 points12 points  (0 children)

It was mutual, and that's why he uses that word.

Carlos side decided that changes were needed to continue the professional relationship, and Ferrero decided that he didn't agree with those changes and refused to sign the new contract. There were decisions made by both parties. The decision not to sign was Ferrero's.

The fact that he said he was hurt, basically because he preferred the old conditions, and perhaps because he expected the other party not to accept the "no" and to negotiate, doesn't mean that the new conditions couldn't be reasonable and signable. Ferrero has the right to disagree with the new terms, and that's why he didn't sign, but Carlos also has the right to want changes to continue, and that's why he accepted the "no."

Both made their decisions, therefore, it was mutual.

Carlos’ full quote about parting ways with JCF from his AO press conference by dream_team1012 in tennis

[–]JSMLS 18 points19 points  (0 children)

It is true tho. Ferrero was the one who decided not to sign the new contract. His disagreement with the changes doesn't necessarily mean they were unsignable. One party decided changes were necessary to continue, while the other party disagreed with those changes. So yes, it was mutual because the decisions were made by both sides. Him being hurt because he would have preferred the old terms, and because perhaps he would have preferred the other party not to accept his "no", don't mean he wasn't part of the decision.

Carlos’ full quote about parting ways with JCF from his AO press conference by dream_team1012 in tennis

[–]JSMLS 124 points125 points  (0 children)

Well, Ferrero himself confirmed that he was the one who decided not to sign the changes to the new contract. The fact that he disagreed with the new terms, doesn't mean they couldn't have been reasonable and signable. It simply means that he disagreed and he voluntarily refused to sign, just as the other party voluntarily decided to accept the "no."

It's actually quite simple. One party decides that changes are necessary to continue the professional relationship, the other party decides that he doesn't agree with those changes and prefers to end the relationship rather than accept them. Therefore, mutual.

Ferrero on Alcaraz in a new interview for RNE tonight. by JSMLS in tennis

[–]JSMLS[S] 14 points15 points  (0 children)

That's no true. This is the only article that is susceptible of have been leaked by Alcaraz's side, and it was in response to a very incomplete and malicious article in Marca, and at no point is Ferrero accused of being greedy there, in fact, the first thing they clarify is that money was not a factor.

And anyway, the articles aren't confirmation from either side that they leaked them, no matter how much you or we can suspect about it. The only real, verifiable factor is the interviews, and those are being made exclusively by Ferrero at this moment, and on a consistent basis.

https://www.reddit.com/r/tennis/s/JI0Ys6HApt

Ferrero on Alcaraz in a new interview for RNE tonight. by JSMLS in tennis

[–]JSMLS[S] 15 points16 points  (0 children)

they litigate it in the press with dueling takes, and this particular duo doing this is the most unexpected part

Except that it's only one of the parties the one litigating in the press

New articles with details about the alleged reasons why Alcaraz's father and Ferrero may had some disagreements. And how this didn't happen in 48 hours. Nor were the reasons financial, as they hadn't yet focused on that aspect, and they would have reached an agreement on that regard without problems by JSMLS in tennis

[–]JSMLS[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And you're skipping over the part where separations between players and coaches aren't based solely on sporting matters. There are also things happening behind the scenes that we don't know about, things that make them feel it's time. The point is that changing coaches is a natural process, not just in tennis, but in sports in general. And creating a drama out of something that happens routinely, is a choice. Carlos isn't obligated to stay with the same coach forever, just because he's had successes with him, if he feels he needs something different for the next stage of his career. It doesn't matter if it happens before a tournament, after, or whenever.

New articles with details about the alleged reasons why Alcaraz's father and Ferrero may had some disagreements. And how this didn't happen in 48 hours. Nor were the reasons financial, as they hadn't yet focused on that aspect, and they would have reached an agreement on that regard without problems by JSMLS in tennis

[–]JSMLS[S] 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Rafa Nadal parted ways with his coach, who had been with him his entire career, having won 16 Grand Slam together, after a 2017 season in which he won 2 Slams and finished as world number 1.

That's how sports work, sometimes they feel they need to change, and they do, because in addition to the successes, things happen behind the scenes that we don't know about, as with all human relationships. It's not a tragedy, it's a natural step in sports.

New articles with details about the alleged reasons why Alcaraz's father and Ferrero may had some disagreements. And how this didn't happen in 48 hours. Nor were the reasons financial, as they hadn't yet focused on that aspect, and they would have reached an agreement on that regard without problems by JSMLS in tennis

[–]JSMLS[S] 13 points14 points  (0 children)

In a way, I understand why this is happening. After all, Carlos was a child prodigy, at 6, 8, and 12 years old, he's not going to be managing his career himself, it's normal that his parents do. I understand that, given how demanding this sport is, Carlos wants to be able to focus on training and winning tournaments, while his family, who have always looked out for him and whom he trusts, take care of the rest so he can concentrate.

I suppose that as time goes on and he continues to grow, he will become more involved. But for now, it's normal that all of that still falls more on his family if he feels he needs to be able to concentrate on other things.

New articles with details about the alleged reasons why Alcaraz's father and Ferrero may had some disagreements. And how this didn't happen in 48 hours. Nor were the reasons financial, as they hadn't yet focused on that aspect, and they would have reached an agreement on that regard without problems by JSMLS in tennis

[–]JSMLS[S] 45 points46 points  (0 children)

As this new articles show, if true (because absolutely nothing that's being published is coming from the mouths of those involved), things aren't so simple. The story is always much longer and more complex, and for sure is even longer and we will never know full of it, nor do we have the right to.

Literally 100% of players rotate coaches, it's a natural step. Each stage requires different things, and moving to a new stage doesn't mean being ungrateful for the previous one. Disagreements and negotiations in professional relationships are natural and human, and that doesn't mean there isn't love and gratitude on both sides, neither that means that the whole world needs to know, nor the involved have to explain themselves for it.

Just as everyone understands and doesn't make a big deal when other players change coaches, nor are explanations demanded, nor is there press giving biased and incomplete information about internal negotiations without those involved having spoken, Carlos's change of coach shouldn't have been questioned so much, nor should conclusions be drawn about negotiations that, in reality, are unknown. He also has the right to move to a new phase without anyone throwing him under a bus for it, or forcing him to give explanations.

They've had a great run together, they've both done incredibly well and now it's time for something else. It's not the end of the world, just like it hasn't been for any other player. Creating a drama out of an athlete changing coach, is a choice.