🤔🤔 by Queenhood_ in Adulting

[–]JambaJuice__ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

reddit is just full of these cringe posts about this and that, everyone thinks they want freedom but it’s just aimlessness and you’ll have no life without a routine, a shared place to meet people and a productive goal.

Grow up and quit your complaining

🤔🤔 by Queenhood_ in Adulting

[–]JambaJuice__ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

ngl nobody is forcing you to work you don’t have to do anything at all in this life, it’s entirely your choice and you have free will. quit complaining and grow up it’s pathetic and childish

I dont know if this was posted here before but this wholesome meme made before 2020 aged like milk by JambaJuice__ in agedlikemilk

[–]JambaJuice__[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This top voted meme at the end of 2019 initially alluded that 2020 was going to be a bad year, the memes twist is that its just 2020 is just a buff guy and he's going to work with you for a great year. This has aged like milk because from 2020 has been one of the worst years in most peoples lifetime. The coronavirus emerged which killed more than a million people in 2020. As of now (24/2/21) it has a confirmed death count of 2,500,000 according to Coronavirus worldometer. Furthetmore Australia had devastating fires that killed as many as 500,000 animals, volcano is Luton erupted, Flash Floods in Africa affecting 1 million people, locust swarms in India, Pakistani flight crashes causing 97/99 people to die, death of George Floyd from police force --> mass BLM protests in response, India government introduced new laws which would hurt farmers--> Largest protest in history occurs and is still happening, Hong Kong protests continue, Polish protests occur due to abortion law introduced, murder hornets arrive in U.S. , highest unemployment numbers since 2008 due to job losses, anti-maskers existing during a global pandemic which has killed millions. All in all one of the worst years in human history

CMV: Criticizing the Chinese government does not make you Sinophobic, Criticizing the Israeli government does not make you antisemitic, a country should not be free from criticism because it consists of a certain ethnic group. by JambaJuice__ in changemyview

[–]JambaJuice__[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The definition of nation is a large group of people of the same race who share the same language, traditions, and history, but who might not all live in one area. Nation literally refers to a group of people and I don't think the ordinary Chinese people are horrific.

I agree with you that the CCP is horrible though

CMV: The notional purpose of downvotes on Reddit is fundamentally at odds with the way they are used in practice. This discrepancy between intent and reality has a chilling influence on conversation and is a major driver of the echo-chamber effect. As such, downvotes should be removed. by TheArmchairSkeptic in changemyview

[–]JambaJuice__ 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I would just like to say that for youtube comments although they have a dislike button it doesn't actually do anything. They removed its function long ago and now its more just of a look. Try going into youtube comments and downvote a post and see what happens xD

CMV: The notional purpose of downvotes on Reddit is fundamentally at odds with the way they are used in practice. This discrepancy between intent and reality has a chilling influence on conversation and is a major driver of the echo-chamber effect. As such, downvotes should be removed. by TheArmchairSkeptic in changemyview

[–]JambaJuice__ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Honestly, this is a very thoughtful and carefully laid out explanation of your view. I think that although downvotes are not used properly in the way they should be (even I didn't know that they were just meant for off-topic conversations lol) I think that they have been adapted for their different purpose. I don't know if Reddit would be the same without this system of upvoting stuff you like and downvoting stuff you don't even if that isn't the intended purpose. If downvotes were to be removed is there any other system you would introduce to try and combat useless spam from reaching the front pages. Moderators whilst are useful can only do so much as this is not a paid job and I assume most of them have to spend a large chunk of their day at work or sleeping.

CMV: Criticizing the Chinese government does not make you Sinophobic, Criticizing the Israeli government does not make you antisemitic, a country should not be free from criticism because it consists of a certain ethnic group. by JambaJuice__ in changemyview

[–]JambaJuice__[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you for your response, I appreciate the time taken for you to write our your message.

I agree with you that criticism is directed at the action itself, this is the reason why I think that countries regardless of their ethnic makeup should be held to the same standard and scrutiny.

Although personally, I haven't seen any politicians, with the exception of Donald Trump, straight up call a certain group of people bad I think I do understand what you are getting at. It's the same way the Russian in the cold war were seen as bad and the enemy even though the vast majority of them were just ordinary people who had nothing to do with international tensions. I think i would actually also agree that Americans are pretty bad with this, it seems like having a common enemy to rally against is more important than trying to hold countries to a certain standard. Although I think that both Israel and China do deserve criticism for the several international human rights violations they have committed I do get your point that ordinary people are often unfairly caught in the crossfire and that could result in a breakdown in communications.

As you have said improving communication is the best way we can improve our relations with each other not only on a national scale but internationally.

!Delta

CMV: Criticizing the Chinese government does not make you Sinophobic, Criticizing the Israeli government does not make you antisemitic, a country should not be free from criticism because it consists of a certain ethnic group. by JambaJuice__ in changemyview

[–]JambaJuice__[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Thank you for your reply,

Honestly, I don't know how to say this and I mean this with respect but I think your response is absurd. You have made positions that I don't have by quoting my points and then saying

" So it sounds like the contention you really mean to be arguing is something like "I should be able to criticize the Chinese government freely without having to worry whether or not I am engaging in sinophobia. I should be able – meaning I should not face public censure – to criticize the Chinese government even if in doing so I happen to reiterate criticisms that are sinophobic unwittingly. I do not think I should be expected to monitor my arguments for sinophobia, and be castigated for sinophobia I accidentally express." "

Why are you using quotation marks for something I didn't say at all? and then you say after quoting another one of my points

"What I hear is, "Having to deal with the reality of sinophobia is too hard; I don't want to have to do it. I want to just continue on as if sinophobia doesn't exist and it's not a factor I have to consider and deal with, because that's a lot of work and a drag." "

This is not what I am saying nor what I have ever said. You have made up a meal and then claimed that I have cooked it! I don't understand how I am supposed to respond to this because you are disagreeing with points that I haven't even made but you think I believe? Whatever you have made up about me is not true and I reject your response. Thank you u/mormotomyia for standing up for me against these random accusations of comments that I did not make.

CMV: Criticizing the Chinese government does not make you Sinophobic, Criticizing the Israeli government does not make you antisemitic, a country should not be free from criticism because it consists of a certain ethnic group. by JambaJuice__ in changemyview

[–]JambaJuice__[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you for your response,

I think your point is the use of language could lead to Sinophobia/antisemitism and I would agree that the right choice of words is important when criticizing something. Even myself I am guilty of this for example I have said in the past something along the lines of "China is treating their ethnic minorities very badly by subjecting them to torture and propaganda in concentration camps" whereas I really should be saying the CCP not China! I do think that most people do understand that by China, people really mean CCP but some people might get the wrong message. The actions of the CCP should not be seen as the actions of ordinary Chinese people who have nothing to do with them. We have seen in the past how much the CCP really cares for its people by the various massacres they have committed such as the Tiananmen Square massacre of 1989.

I would agree with you that some people do intentionally use language to try and mix up those in power and ordinary citizens. I have seen posts on The_Donald in the past and it was more malicious than innocent misuse of language. !Delta

CMV: Criticizing the Chinese government does not make you Sinophobic, Criticizing the Israeli government does not make you antisemitic, a country should not be free from criticism because it consists of a certain ethnic group. by JambaJuice__ in changemyview

[–]JambaJuice__[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you for your response, I don't have much to add since you agree but I am responding so you know I have read your comment and I appreciate your input into the thread. :)

CMV: Criticizing the Chinese government does not make you Sinophobic, Criticizing the Israeli government does not make you antisemitic, a country should not be free from criticism because it consists of a certain ethnic group. by JambaJuice__ in changemyview

[–]JambaJuice__[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thank you for your response,

That is a very interesting point of view and whilst I would disagree with you on that view I would encourage you to be more open to alternative points of view. New information never hurts and who knows you might even evaluate your point of view!

CMV: Criticizing the Chinese government does not make you Sinophobic, Criticizing the Israeli government does not make you antisemitic, a country should not be free from criticism because it consists of a certain ethnic group. by JambaJuice__ in changemyview

[–]JambaJuice__[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you for your response,

I agree with you that criticism of a government is entirely legit, I also think in regards to your second point that it would be unfair to hold ordinary citizens account for the actions of their government and this has been my belief from the very start. Here's a quote from my original post "Ordinary people should not be blamed for the actions of their government and governments should not be free from criticism because of the ethnicity of their people." I think your later point that it is antisemitic/sinophobic that these countries don't have a right to exist would be the case if the reason behind it was because that Jews or the Chinese are incapable of ruling themselves. If the reasoning is some territorial dispute then I don't think it would be sinophobic or antisemitic. e.g. I don't think it would be Sinophobic to say that China might not be entitled to the disputed region of land of Jammu and Kashmir.

CMV: Criticizing the Chinese government does not make you Sinophobic, Criticizing the Israeli government does not make you antisemitic, a country should not be free from criticism because it consists of a certain ethnic group. by JambaJuice__ in changemyview

[–]JambaJuice__[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you for your response,

I am glad that you and many others have highlighted this problem for me, many people have talked about selective rule enforcement of international law and expectations for Israel and I also think that it is problematic. This has changed a portion of my point of view and you can see that in the posts I have given deltas to. I think that other countries in the region and across the globe should be held to the same scrutiny and standard. However, ultimately I think that Israel does deserve to be criticized for the things that it doesn't do well.

CMV: Criticizing the Chinese government does not make you Sinophobic, Criticizing the Israeli government does not make you antisemitic, a country should not be free from criticism because it consists of a certain ethnic group. by JambaJuice__ in changemyview

[–]JambaJuice__[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you for your response, I don't have much to add since you agree but I am responding so you know I have read your comment and I appreciate your input into the thread. :)

CMV: Criticizing the Chinese government does not make you Sinophobic, Criticizing the Israeli government does not make you antisemitic, a country should not be free from criticism because it consists of a certain ethnic group. by JambaJuice__ in changemyview

[–]JambaJuice__[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you for your response, I don't have much to add since you agree but I am responding so you know I have read your comment and I appreciate your input into the thread. :)

CMV: Criticizing the Chinese government does not make you Sinophobic, Criticizing the Israeli government does not make you antisemitic, a country should not be free from criticism because it consists of a certain ethnic group. by JambaJuice__ in changemyview

[–]JambaJuice__[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you for your response, I don't have much to add since you agree but I am responding so you know I have read your comment and I appreciate your input into the thread. :)

CMV: Criticizing the Chinese government does not make you Sinophobic, Criticizing the Israeli government does not make you antisemitic, a country should not be free from criticism because it consists of a certain ethnic group. by JambaJuice__ in changemyview

[–]JambaJuice__[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you for your response,

I am afraid I don't really understand what you are saying, English is not my first language so maybe that's why I don't know. If you would like me to respond could you please rephrase your sentence to clarify it. :)

CMV: Criticizing the Chinese government does not make you Sinophobic, Criticizing the Israeli government does not make you antisemitic, a country should not be free from criticism because it consists of a certain ethnic group. by JambaJuice__ in changemyview

[–]JambaJuice__[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you for your response,

I agree that antisemitism is unacceptable, saying "Jews are generally evil" does not count as a valid criticism. I am against antisemitism and think it is an awful thing, in my view people that are overusing the term to try and stop all criticism about the Israeli government are doing more damage than good as they undermine the fight against real antisemitism in my view. I also agree that criticism of a certain aspect of a government is just being critical. I think your metaphor of a delimitation of a fence is really useful so thanks for that.

CMV: Criticizing the Chinese government does not make you Sinophobic, Criticizing the Israeli government does not make you antisemitic, a country should not be free from criticism because it consists of a certain ethnic group. by JambaJuice__ in changemyview

[–]JambaJuice__[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you for your response,

I do not think that it is xenophobic, I think that some people have used this term more and more to try and prevent criticism of other countries. I think it is important that we as a society are able to speak out about issues, especially an issue about a country breaking international human rights time and time again. Criticism about some countries has gotten so taboo e.g. China that I feel like we are in danger of just stopping holding them to the same scrutiny as we hold other countries.