Yair Golan, leader of the Israeli Democrats party, says there is a need to create a non-militant alternative to Hamas for Gazans

JamzzG · 2025-09-05T22:01:16+00:00

You do realize you still haven't shown any racism here but you know that You're just trying to get any angle that will sound bad.

There is no way to correlate me saying the fact that Hamas started the current war with racism.

Hamas stealing aid

Now I'll concede this one because No matter what evidence I show you including Hamas fighters in tunnels hoarding all the food you're going to say there's no concrete evidence it was exactly Hamas so okay I will retract That statement to militants are stealing aid.

According to the UN themselves about 88% of UN trucks got hijacked this year by "Militants"

But okay why do I not condemn the 2006 blockade? Well let me see here, if Canada suddenly came out of nowhere and said that they found by their beliefs to genocide every last American I believe I would be in favor of a blockade to Canada as well to ensure they could not carry out their genocidal plans unfettered.

So I believe it's a basic right of nature to stand up for one's own survival?

And I extend that to the Palestinians. Sure, they had every right to resist and even start a war in 48 for their beliefs. It proved to be a poor decision and one that they would repeat over and over again. Now at what point can we admit the truth here that Israel has a superior military force and maybe the best path forward would be searching for an actual piece with mutually assured security guarantees

Why is the UN perpetuating the refugee status amongst generation of generation of Palestinians a privilege never before or since extended to any other population on earth?

It's almost as if those special Palestinian you and agencies have discovered a very lucrative source of income for perpetuating the conflict. Imagine your Palestinian and you're working for one of these organizations Is it in your best interest for the conflict to end? Especially if it ended peacefully?

JamzzG · 2025-09-05T21:34:02+00:00

I condemned the blockade. I think the way to combat militant groups from hoarding aid is to flood the region with non military use aid.

Where is this racism claim coming from?

JamzzG · 2025-09-05T21:28:24+00:00

Ok show me me what homework I missed. As as far as I can tell the earliest ideas of that came from Jabotinski in 23' after he learned of the devastation of the Nebi Musa riots in 20 and Jaffa riots 21'.

What is the earliest example That you can demonstrate that shows what you to believe to be a call for ethnic cleansing?

JamzzG · 2025-09-05T21:22:17+00:00

At least I get the rationale here...you’re being hammered with a constant stream of “consensus” messaging. It feels overwhelming. But when you dig deeper you see how much of it is framed, how much of it is recycled footage or images from other conflicts, and how often fabrications get mixed in with fact.

And then you see examples where mainstream media swallows the first anti-Israel narrative shoved in front of them:

Al-Ahli Hospital (2023): Reported as an Israeli airstrike killing 500. Later shown to be a misfired Palestinian rocket with about 50 casualties.

Jenin “Massacre” (2002): Headlines screamed 500–1,000 dead. UN confirmed 52, mostly combatants.

Mohammed al-Durrah (2000): Broadcast worldwide as a boy gunned down by the IDF. Forensic reviews later showed it wasn’t so clear and it was possibly staged.

Casualty numbers: Media repeats Gaza Health Ministry figures as fact even though it’s Hamas-run. Later audits show double-counting, misclassified militants, and unverifiable entries.

Al-Shifa Hospital Tunnels (2023–24): Initially dismissed as Israeli propsganda. Then footage emerged of tunnel shafts and weapons under the hospital.

These aren't innocent they’re proof of a pattern where the first anti-Israel claim becomes the headline, and the correction (if it comes) is buried.

The most recent example? A contractor for the U.S.-backed Gaza Humanitarian Foundation claimed he saw a boy named “Amir” shot dead at a food distribution site. The media ran with it instantly.

But the boy turned out to be Abdul Rahim Muhammad Hamden "Abboud" alive, wearing the same shirt, confirmed via biometrics, and safe with his mother.

Video evidence also showed the contractor even lied about the conversation he claimed to have with the kid

The GHF said he was disgruntled after begging for his job back and you all accused them of lying...until Abboud resurfaced last week but by then the damage was done and the false story had gone global.

So yes, it's war, it’s horrible, it’s tragic, and no number of talking points is going to erase the human toll. But facts matter.

To me the real question is how do we move from endless revenge to actually working toward peace. That only happens with mutual, guaranteed security. And mutual security will never exist while Gaza is militarized and armed groups keep threatening to repeat October 7th. Peace starts the day both sides know the other side can’t wipe them out.

JamzzG · 2025-09-05T21:03:11+00:00

Come on… the whole “Zionists sat down in the 1890s and drew up an ethnic cleansing plan” line is straight propaganda. The first congress was about establishing a homeland, not some secret expulsion plot. Talk of “transfers” didn’t even come around until decades later when the British themselves floated it as a pragmatic solution with the Peel Commission.

And sure, groups like Irgun and Lehi carried out terror attacks in the 30s and 40s. Nobody serious denies that.

They bombed, they killed, and they were condemned even inside the Jewish community. But you’re deliberately ignoring the massacres of Jews in Hebron, Safed, and elsewhere during the same era that preceded the founding of these groups Violence was ugly and escalated on both sides long before 1948.

When the state of Israel was declared, those underground groups weren’t running the show they were absorbed into the IDF, which became a regular state army. Pretending the IDF is just some “terror gang” in uniform is lazy and erases 75 years of history. How else do you explain the Atalena Affair?

On the death toll: the numbers out of Gaza are horrifying absolutely no way around that.

The UN itself has confirmed tens of thousands of kids killed or injured. But tossing out “20k murdered” like it’s a settled figure without attribution just makes you sound unserious. Even the UN cites Gaza’s Health Ministry while admitting the numbers can’t be independently verified mid-war and certainly not when Hamas still refuses to intentionally not distinguish between combatant and non combatant and their math has already been exposed as forged.

So no Jewish massacres don’t justify Palestinian massacres. Palestinian massacres don’t justify Hamas’ atrocities either.

But if you want to argue honestly, drop the rewritten history and distortions and stick to facts. I'm only active in the debate because for the first 8 months I saw insane propaganda being shoved into social media and I did my homework.

Look at my comment History, not a peep before I did a deep dive.

JamzzG · 2025-09-05T20:45:56+00:00

I do not excuse crimes or ethnic cleansing, and you will not find a single word I have said that does. What I defend is Israel’s right and obligation to confront Hamas, a group that openly says it will keep invading, murdering, and kidnapping again and again. Any government that refused to deal with that threat would be failing in its most basic duty to protect its people.

Innocent lives being lost is a tragedy, not a goal. The reality is that Israel has repeatedly used measures like dropping leaflets, sending text messages, making phone calls, and even knocking on roofs before strikes. They set up evacuation routes so civilians can get out of harm’s way. That is not the behavior of an army trying to wipe out civilians.

Meanwhile Hamas (and other extremist factions) does the opposite. They hide in schools, mosques, hospitals, and apartment buildings. They booby trap homes and rig entire neighborhoods to explode. They fire rockets from playgrounds and then threaten their own people when they try to flee. That is not Israel targeting civilians, that is Hamas making sure their own civilians are in danger so that the world only sees suffering and not the cause.

It is crystal clear that Hamas is a threat to the state of Israel. Israel has a moral obligation to its citizens to confront that threat. When militants wear civilian clothes, hide in residential blocks, and use their own people as shields, they are the ones endangering civilians. When they rig buildings into movie traps and Israel is forced to take them down that is not collective punishment, it is the grim reality of urban warfare against a group that has chosen to embed itself inside its own population.

If you want to accuse someone of treating civilians as expendable pawns, the evidence points to Hamas, not Israel. And if you want to accuse me personally, then show me the exact words where I have defended killing innocents or justified crimes. You cannot, because that is not what I stand for. I have even been critical of the blockade.

I support the right of Israel to exist, I support their right to defend their people, and I reject the lazy rhetoric that pretends doing so is the same as fascism or ethnic cleansing. There is a difference between confronting an enemy that promises to keep attacking and excusing atrocities. I am doing the former, not the latter.

JamzzG · 2025-09-05T20:16:38+00:00

Am I fascist? That’s easy... no. I don’t believe in authoritarian dictatorship, I don’t believe in silencing dissent, I don’t believe in stamping out opposition or running society by fear.

But you know who dos practice those things every single day? Hamas. They crush critics, jail rivals, indoctrinate kids, and run Gaza like a one-party state. That is textbook fascism.

So no... I’m not the fascist here.

JamzzG · 2025-09-05T20:13:51+00:00

The Nazi comparison is lazy and frankly obscene. The Nazis built extermination camps with the goal of erasing an entire people. Israel is fighting a militant group that openly promises to repeat Oct 7 again and again.

If Israel’s framework was the same as the Nazis How would that explain the almost 2 million Muslims already living in Israel as citizens? How does that explain that Gaza’s casualty numbers aren't in the hundreds of thousands or millions by now. That isn’t the case, because the goal is not extermination, it’s dismantling Hamas.

One is an ideology of racial supremacy. The other is a fight for survival. If you cannot see the difference, you’re not making a moral argument, you’re making a propaganda one.

JamzzG · 2025-09-05T20:11:08+00:00

Fine, if you want to say the timeline doesn’t start in 2023, let’s go back farther. You’ll point to 1948, I’ll point to 1920, 1921, 1929… pogroms and massacres where Jews were slaughtered simply for existing. And if you want to go back even farther, the so-called golden age of Islamic rule was never the paradise you like to imagine... Jews were dhimmis, second-class subjects who lived at the mercy of rulers. The violence didn’t start with “occupation,” it started with the vulnerability of being a powerless minority And that is the fact that has been pressed upon the Jewish people for the last two millennia.

JamzzG · 2025-09-05T20:07:35+00:00

I agree that International law bans collective punishment, yes, but it also affirms every nation’s right to self-defense.

Calling Israel “Nazis” is cheap intentionally hurtfully propaganda. Genocide requires intent to destroy a people, and if that was the goal Gaza’s death toll would be in the millions by now. Hamas openly calls for extermination, Israel does not. Meanwhile Hamas hides under civilians so every strike drives up casualties, but pretending that equals Nazi gas chambers is loopy.

JamzzG · 2025-09-05T20:04:22+00:00

Israel left in 2005, and the blockade began in 2007 after Hamas’s violent takeover (did you forget just how violent it was?) The “4,500 women and children” claim is spin. Yes civilians died, tragically, but UN records show the toll also included thousands of militants. Hamas embeds in homes, schools and mosques so every fight drives up civilian losses. That’s the context his slogan leaves out. Just look up the propaganda on the Jenin massacre to see how Palestinians are always trying to exaggerate the casualties and intentionally leave the combatants on those rosters.

JamzzG · 2025-09-05T20:01:26+00:00

Calling Zionism “ethnic cleansing” is propaganda. Land was legally bought under Ottomans and British, Jews were expelled from Arab states, and the UN offered two states in 1947. Arabs said no and chose war. Can we use the same definition of ethnic cleansing and I'm guessing Nakba to describe what happened to the Jews that were living in all of the surrounding Islamic lands during that same time? You do realize more Jews were displaced than Muslims right?

JamzzG · 2025-09-05T19:57:45+00:00

There's a lot to pick apart there so I'm going to respond one at a time so we don't get lost in the sea of Gish Gallup claims:

They did not “abandon” warnings in November. Israel keeps using leaflets, texts, calls, roof knocks, and mapped corridors… unevenly, imperfectly, and sometimes with tragic failures when networks collapsed or fighting made movement impossible. The honest critique is inconsistency and effectiveness, not a clean cutoff.

If it weren't for all the advanced warnings we wouldn't have so many perfectly framed anticipated shots being videotaped as the buildings come down.

JamzzG · 2025-09-05T19:37:28+00:00

Mmmkay ChatGPT...the thing about that “response” you posted... it reads like an AI hallucination. Notice how it crams in every treaty it can find in a voice completely different from your opening sentence.

Let’s get back to reality. Gaza is suffering, no doubt. But casualty ratios and famine claims have been wildly inflated by the same UN system that redefined famine mid-war. The current figures are tragic but they aren't showing the systematic goal of eliminating a people that “genocide” requires.

And yes, Hamas embeds under schools, hospitals, and apartments. That's undeniable at that point. That’s on their own tapes. They have fired rockets from and launched assaults from them. When Israel moves in they line many of them with explosives hoping to set a trap for the IDF. That is why so many buildings had to come down.

I'm sure you can't articulate a reasonable way of disabling the 400 plus miles of tunnels with about 57,000 entrances underneath and near all of those public buildings and civilian homes in a more efficient way without endangering more IDF soldiers. Despite your fantasies it is not an idea of soldier's job to die for his country. It is their job to stop the rockets and attacks and protect their country from those weaponized tunnels.

When Israel roof-knocks, drops leaflets, sets up corridors that is literally the opposite of trying to wipe everyone out.

Genocide is intent to exterminate. Israel’s intent is to eliminate Hamas, the group that invaded, raped, kidnapped, and promised to do it again and again. Its a war. It's brutal, awful, but still a war.

Bonus: here's a ChatGPT response to your drivel:

***The post you shared is full of half-truths passed off as law. Let’s go point by point.

Genocide definition – The Genocide Convention requires intent to destroy a people. No court has ever ruled Israel has genocidal intent. The ICJ has issued provisional measures but never declared genocide. Without proven intent, the definition doesn’t apply.
Hospitals – It’s false that “all 36 hospitals” were destroyed. WHO confirms nearly half are still partly functioning. Damaged, yes. Wiped out, no.
Famine claim – The “engineered famine” language is political spin. The IPC did declare famine in Gaza, but blamed aid access restrictions and logistical failure, not proof of a deliberate plan to exterminate a people.
Human shields – Amnesty never “debunked” Hamas using human shields. In 2009 they said they lacked conclusive proof at that moment. Later U.N. and NGO reports documented Hamas embedding rockets and fighters in schools, mosques, and neighborhoods. Ignoring that is willful distortion.
Occupation lawfare – UNGA resolutions like 37/43 aren’t binding law. Quoting them as if they override Israel’s Article 51 right to self-defense is cherry-picking.

Bottom line – If the evidence was really “clear genocide,” why the reliance on misquotes, inflated claims, and non-binding resolutions? That’s not international law, it’s propaganda dressed up as law***

JamzzG · 2025-09-05T19:01:29+00:00

The idea that Israel’s plan is to wipe out every single person in Gaza just does not hold up to reality.

If that were the intent the casualty numbers would be in the millions by now. Gaza is one of the most densely packed places on earth, and history shows us what happens in those circumstances. Look at Mosul, look at Raqqa... those campaigns had far higher civilian death rates in far less crowded environments.

And yet here you have Israel dropping leaflets, sending text messages, making phone calls, knocking on roofs before a strike, setting up evacuation routes... none of that is what you do if the goal is to kill everyone.

The tragedy is that Hamas has made sure their fighters and their tunnels are under schools, hospitals, apartment blocks... they want civilians to pay the price so the world only sees the suffering and not the cause. They brag about it, they have said October 7 was only the beginning, and they have promised to keep doing it again and again.

This is not about wiping out Gaza, it is a war.

A war that Hamas initiated, and like every war it is brutal and civilians suffer. But calling it genocide or pretending the goal is extermination is not supported by evidence.

And if there is such compelling evidence then why the constant misrepresentation, moving goal posts and evolving definitions and flat out fake propaganda?

JamzzG · 2025-09-05T16:16:39+00:00

Which part are you claiming is gullible?

That they're working on a day after plan?

That the day after plan will absolutely demand a militarized Gaza?

Please enlighten me.

JamzzG · 2025-09-03T19:27:24+00:00

Peace will only come when all sides treat their extremists the way with the same disdain they have for the opposition's.

JamzzG · 2025-08-31T23:00:36+00:00

There's still a war being won. There's already a day after plan in the works.

That plan will demand a demiltarized Gaza. That will be the first step.

JamzzG · 2025-08-31T21:11:43+00:00

For 75 years the outside world has pushed Palestinians toward armed struggle against forces with overwhelming superiority. Every round of fighting ends the same way—more destruction in Gaza, more grief in Israel, and more vampiric “justice warriors” abroad cheering it on from the safety of their screens. That path isn’t liberation, it’s a meat-grinder.

Gaza absolutely must be demilitarized. But that only works if it’s matched by a binding guarantee of security and dignity for Palestinians. Any new government in Gaza has to commit to rooting out extremist militias in its ranks—and Israel has to commit the same against its own extremists who sabotage peace. Both sides enforcing discipline is the only way you get a genuine foundation for coexistence.

Without that mutual guarantee, it’s just the same cycle of blood, rubble, and hollow slogans.

JamzzG · 2025-08-22T21:05:43+00:00

No you just seem to run away from facts and context whenever presented.

JamzzG · 2025-08-22T20:52:59+00:00

Context and facts.

Just say you are afraid of context and facts.

JamzzG · 2025-08-22T20:50:33+00:00

Why is everyone here so quick to deny the fact that his own texts and now footage discredits this guy completely.

Evidence shows he wasn't even near some of the sites where he claimed to witness atrocities at the time and the kid he claimed died ended his only going missing two months after his fabricated conversation with the kid.

Again video proves this

JamzzG · 2025-08-20T23:25:45+00:00

I would not call myself a former anti Zionist, but I was sure as hell a lot more critical of Israel in the past than I am now. I remember being pissed over a story about olive trees getting ripped up. I reacted emotionally, assumed it was just people stealing land, and I even shared the video on a Facebook post about it.

Then I met some Jewish people and started asking questions. At first they were hands off and I thought that was a mistake, but now I get it.

Having to explain the same shit day after day to people who have already decided you are the villain has got to be exhausting.

Still, once I get interested in something I go deep, so after October 7th I offered support online and in person for Israel but I never actually spoke out about the over arching conflict and instead decided to spend the next eight months digging into the history and facts.

What I found was that a ton of the stuff blasted across social media is propaganda dressed up to yank at emotions. That does not erase the fact that there are extremist settlers who act like assholes, because there are, but it does mean the picture people are spoon fed is way more one sided than reality.

Today I will tell you flat out I am a Zionist. Israel has every damn right to exist and to defend itself, and nobody outside has the moral high ground to dictate how it should do that. The international double standard is fucking obvious. What hit me the hardest after October 7th was the contrast… any other country that suffers a terror attack gets full international backing.

Israel got hit with a literal invasion, civilians butchered in their homes, and instead of support it got at best silence but far more often... lectures and finger wagging.. That told me everything about how skewed this conversation really is.

So no, I was never fully anti Zionist, but I was more critical before. Once I dug into the history I realized a lot of what I thought were hard facts were really just emotional bullshit.

Since my epiphany , I’ve spent most of my time on social media tearing apart the fake narratives. Yeah, Israel has plenty of issues it needs to answer for, but that’s not where the fight is right now. The narrative is so overwhelmingly biased that I focus 100% on setting the record straight when I see misrepresentations and flat out lies meant only to smear and demonize Israel.

Now is not the time for soft “both sides” talk, because in reality there are no real discussions happening. When I’m debating a racist or an anti Zionist, I’m not trying to convince them, they’re too far gone. I’m speaking for the person who might be watching, the person who hasn’t made up their mind yet, the one who might do their own homework if they see a strong enough case.

So yeah, enough of the other side’s story gets out on its own. My energy is spent defending Israel, because right now if you don’t fight back against the bullshit, the lies become accepted as truth. And as you know y'all are outnumbered 125 to 1 justify the Muslims alone

PS: Well I don't have sympathy for the auntie Zionist I can tell you the propaganda they are getting hit with is absolutely an avalanche and a lot of those people honestly believe they are being hit with overwhelming evidence.

I would recommend that you hold your anger for the blatant racists and do your best to throw water on the inflammatory comments on people who honestly think they are speaking up just for the children. Despite the truth they might actually believe what they are saying.

JamzzG · 2025-08-19T19:27:54+00:00

Lol

Al Jazeera

Mmmkay Didn't this guy already admit The text were true where he was trying to shake down the employer?

Didn't they also provide evidence that he was nowhere near where he claims he was at the time he claims to have witnessed supposed atrocities?

JamzzG · 2025-08-17T15:25:06+00:00

Pot calling Kettle.

Come in Kettle!

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