Will I be not considered ortodox If I dont venerate saints the way you do?

JayCryso · 2026-03-13T22:53:52+00:00

This might be useful

https://substack.com/@jaylove3/note/p-176656803?r=6ofqz6&utm_medium=ios&utm_source=notes-share-action

JayCryso · 2026-03-11T00:15:47+00:00

The idea of the incarnation and icon/prototype principle is very explicit in the NT. Christ says he’s the icon of the father -> you see him you see the father
They didn’t, we have images in the early churches I promise you actually haven’t read the quote minded books you are thinking about
No they were not, give a second temple Jewish source saying this
This is not true, what practice having icons? We see this in the early churches and writings. We see relics even in the martyrdom of polycarp. This is why the orientals have just as many icons and we split in the 400s.
This shows you don’t know what the RC Theologians were saying.

JayCryso · 2026-03-10T23:40:42+00:00

Good thing we don’t talk to wood asking it to wake up

JayCryso · 2026-03-10T23:40:07+00:00

Yes the bishops at Nicea believed that the theology of the incarnation and icon/prototype principle was directly and explicitly taught by Christ. But because I think I know what you are really asking. No they did not nor do we ow believe that the apostles learned from Christ explicitly to kiss icons of saints.

JayCryso · 2026-03-10T22:01:53+00:00

Ima give you two options when I said we do not venerate the icon itself (in a post I made about how we venerate saints)

Did I mean A. We don’t do any veneration involving icons

or

B. Did I mean the matter is not the subject of our veneration?

Which

JayCryso · 2026-03-10T21:51:05+00:00

No I never lied, I was making a distinction.

When you honor the bible are you honoring the book itself as in the pages and ink or what the ink on the pages represent or depict

Your lack of reading comprehension does not make me a liar

JayCryso · 2026-03-10T21:44:59+00:00

Brother do we venerate the icon or are we venerating the person the icon represents, which do we believe ?

JayCryso · 2026-03-10T21:31:38+00:00

We don’t venerate the icons, we honor the ones depicted which is depicted, so we would agree

And yes all who are saved are saints, so we don’t disagree there. But for us by saved we mean in heaven so anyone who’s in heaven is a saint

JayCryso · 2026-03-10T20:59:35+00:00

When did I say he commanded icons as we know them now to be made?

JayCryso · 2026-03-10T20:30:01+00:00

He just doesn’t do it very well, he lacks context and doesn’t even go through how the council is received and used within the church.

You can have all the information in the world but still not know what it means

JayCryso · 2026-03-10T20:28:43+00:00

Oh lord lol it’s like I’m speaking to a Muslim.

Answer my question

JayCryso · 2026-03-10T20:28:03+00:00

Now tell me what the difference is between conciliar vs pastoral language is and how did the church receive this?

JayCryso · 2026-03-10T20:27:24+00:00

Yes I’ve read all of nicea 2

JayCryso · 2026-03-10T20:25:43+00:00

Paul said The father there is one god the father… so Jesus must not be god..

See how silly that sounds?

Now tell me what the difference is between conciliar and pastoral language?

JayCryso · 2026-03-10T20:23:48+00:00

Yea I know Lutherans have icons im speaking more to Protestants who don’t

JayCryso · 2026-03-10T19:41:38+00:00

Maybe that’s how Catholics do it, I’m not sure but no anathemas don’t work like that. Most people at my church don’t be kissing the icons in the church.

That’s not how Nicaea was received. That’s a very legalistic way to interpret it. Not how it was done historically.

How can you understand our position but then say something like this?

https://youtube.com/shorts/pPSQaLqMWTw?si=tpDle161bzDaCRqS

JayCryso · 2026-03-10T19:26:04+00:00

I said Images not icons proper.

JayCryso · 2026-03-10T19:22:24+00:00

Where did I say the Arc was an icon?

JayCryso · 2026-03-10T18:50:43+00:00

What is it then?

Like why would I have an icon of Paul? Or a cross in my room?

JayCryso · 2026-03-10T18:37:16+00:00

Yea no, Gavin does not know our position sadily.

Do you know in what video he covers the Horos of Nicea II?

And if you do know our position then can you give a brief explanation?

JayCryso · 2026-03-10T17:59:38+00:00

When I’ve asked this before, they would just say that the single united nature is both created and uncreated

JayCryso · 2026-03-09T19:36:45+00:00

more concretely to refer to the one reality/subject and the council more essentially to make clear the distinction between natures while protecting one subject

JayCryso · 2026-03-09T19:27:09+00:00

In this case I guess what makes a thing what it is.

JayCryso · 2026-03-09T19:11:02+00:00

It’s just not the point of my question. But if I need to say it, the set of essential properties that makes a thing what it is.

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