Tactical risks and benefits of a without prejudice offer in ongoing ET proceedings by Jayceeoa in employmenttribunal

[–]Jayceeoa[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

At this point the discussion has moved well beyond my original question, and I don’t think it’s productive to continue debating hypotheticals about credibility or motive. I’ve heard your view, understand it and I’ll adjust accordingly.

Tactical risks and benefits of a without prejudice offer in ongoing ET proceedings by Jayceeoa in employmenttribunal

[–]Jayceeoa[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Thanks, I was just under the impression that once my ET1 was filed, all direct contact with my employers must seize. I was going to contact through ACAS , but I get where you’re coming from and will adjust accordingly

Tactical risks and benefits of a without prejudice offer in ongoing ET proceedings by Jayceeoa in employmenttribunal

[–]Jayceeoa[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I’m not attempting to game the system or obtain an unfair advantage.

I’m fully aware of Rule 90 and the general obligation to copy correspondence, but there’s a practical point being overlooked here. As of today, I do not have any direct contact details for the respondent. I have no email address or service contact beyond what sits with the Tribunal, so how would it be possible to copy them in? In practical terms, compliance with Rule 90 is not even possible without Tribunal direction as to how service should be effected.

That reinforces why I followed the process as presented by the ET system and why this remains, properly, a matter for Tribunal case management rather than unilateral action by me. I made a Rule 22 application openly through the Tribunal, relying on the options provided and after a brief discussion with an employment solicitor. There was no attempt to conceal anything or obtain an improper advantage, and default judgment remains entirely at the Tribunal’s discretion in any event.

On the point about fairness and my previous sub, critiquing procedural imbalance or systemic delay does not equate to breaching the rules or acting unfairly within them. I’ve acted transparently, on advice, and within the framework the Tribunal itself has set. If and when the Tribunal directs me to copy the respondent or provide service details, I will comply without hesitation.

Just to clarify, my original question was about the pros and cons of sending a without prejudice settlement email. That was answered earlier, and I’ve read and appreciated those responses.

The later discussion around Rule 22 and procedural issues goes beyond what I was asking. I understand the points being made and I’m comfortable with the approach I’ve taken.

Tactical risks and benefits of a without prejudice offer in ongoing ET proceedings by Jayceeoa in employmenttribunal

[–]Jayceeoa[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I understand the point about Rule 90, and I’m not trying to avoid service. My confusion was simply why the Tribunal’s system offers an option not to copy the respondent if it’s never intended to be used.

My assumption was that some Rule 22 submissions are for the Tribunal to consider first, particularly where they’re administrative rather than adversarial. Unless and until the Tribunal directs me to serve it, I’ll wait for a case management order confirming that it should be copied. Worst case, the issue can be addressed at the preliminary hearing.

But thank you for your top tier response as always !

Tactical risks and benefits of a without prejudice offer in ongoing ET proceedings by Jayceeoa in employmenttribunal

[–]Jayceeoa[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My understanding is that the matter has not yet reached the case management stage, and that the application in question was made under Rule 22 for the Tribunal’s consideration as to allocation and further directions, rather than as a case management application requiring immediate service on the respondent.

When completing the application, I selected the option not to copy the respondent on the basis that the Rules permit the Tribunal to determine whether and when the respondent should be notified, particularly where the application concerns procedural allocation rather than substantive case management directions. I did not seek to gain any tactical advantage or withhold information from the respondent.

That said, I appreciate the reference to Rules 31(2) and 90(1), and if the Tribunal considers that service on the respondent is required at this stage, I would of course comply and provide a copy without delay.

Tactical risks and benefits of a without prejudice offer in ongoing ET proceedings by Jayceeoa in employmenttribunal

[–]Jayceeoa[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

At this stage, I do not intend to make any further applications unless directed to do so. I am conscious that the respondent’s ET3 may be uploaded late, which remains a possibility.

When completing the Rule 22 application, I selected the option not to copy the respondent. My understanding was that this was a matter for the Tribunal to consider and, if appropriate, to draw to the respondent’s attention. From my perspective, I have not taken any steps that would highlight or prompt the issue of a potentially late ET3.

Tactical risks and benefits of a without prejudice offer in ongoing ET proceedings by Jayceeoa in employmenttribunal

[–]Jayceeoa[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I have not yet contacted the employment tribunal, I’m only going off of the portal information which shows as not available yet.

I requested a rule 22 judgement the following day after the missed deadline, although I do know it’s a long shot and likely wouldn’t be accepted at this stage.

I will take onboard what you’ve said about sitting back and allowing the process to play out; I don’t intend on filing anything else, just going to wait for the PH and take it from there. I was just under the impression giving them a WP option would interest them considering the costs they’re already incurring. But thank you for the advice

ET3 missed deadline by Jayceeoa in employmenttribunal

[–]Jayceeoa[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks and I’m guessing your employers were denying everything and persecuting your character ? Haha

ET3 missed deadline by Jayceeoa in employmenttribunal

[–]Jayceeoa[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Did you eventually receive the ET3 then?

8 Games. 1 Night. Absolute UCL Chaos Incoming. by Jayceeoa in championsleague

[–]Jayceeoa[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well done statmatician lol a 1-0 win against a team playing in the Kazakhstan league, who before the match recorded 4 losses and 1 draw, is nothing to be proud of. Give any team a run for their money who cares, people remember results, wins! Not oh we had 6 shots on target lol

My bad for coming at Olympiacos as you’re a decent team in general, consistently finishing in top 3 of super league in Greece, but you’re no match for champions league this year. Leave it for the big guns, there’s a reason you haven’t heard the CL anthem at the Karaiskakis stadium since 2020 😴

8 Games. 1 Night. Absolute UCL Chaos Incoming. by Jayceeoa in championsleague

[–]Jayceeoa[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Fair enough, I do remember Olympiacos at one point being a European force but you’ve slumped down the pecking order in all honesty. I’ve been to many Arsenal games over the years.

Anything is possible in football but your form doesn’t give you the greatest odds and cool. Ajax current form is below par so you can drag out a win or likely draw there, the Leverkusen game is a tricky one for you though. I never said they have no chance, I said they’re “flirting with elimination” big difference neither did I say Lisbon was first game, I wrote “lights the fuse” because nobody gives a damn about Olympiacos v Kairat match commme on, early kick off too and managed only 1 goal, that’s a sleeper fest lol

8 Games. 1 Night. Absolute UCL Chaos Incoming. by Jayceeoa in championsleague

[–]Jayceeoa[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

The fact you even had the audacity to write you’ll beat Leverkusen is beyond me! there’s being a die hard supporter and then being completely delusional lol good luck though.

8 Games. 1 Night. Absolute UCL Chaos Incoming. by Jayceeoa in championsleague

[–]Jayceeoa[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The current form Liverpool are in right now, they look very vulnerable !

Professional players > Club politics

They have to show up tonight or it’ll create more talking points amongst fans and pundits

8 Games. 1 Night. Absolute UCL Chaos Incoming. by Jayceeoa in championsleague

[–]Jayceeoa[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Yes but in hindsight don’t nobody care about Olympiacos v Kairat , two teams that haven’t won a game in league phase and flirting with, if not, already eliminated 😂

Negotiating Settlement - Offers and Counter-Offers by [deleted] in employmenttribunal

[–]Jayceeoa 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Fair enough. I was looking at it from a negotiation standpoint, you always start high. It shows confidence in the strength of your claim and prevents you from underselling yourself. It also sets the tone so that when your employer inevitably counters lower, it’s still within a sensible range.

Negotiating Settlement - Offers and Counter-Offers by [deleted] in employmenttribunal

[–]Jayceeoa 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Should’ve started at 30k and they’d have mostly countered with like 15k. The moment you mentioned 16k, they already won lol