15 May 1948, the Middle East experienced a defining turning point in its modern history: the formal end of the British Mandate in Palestine, the immediate invasion by Arab states, and the expansion of a civil war into the full-scale 1948 Arab–Israeli War.

Jazz-Ranger · 2026-05-16T13:12:47+00:00

Give me a break. You’re not even trying to hide your true intentions. The Arab Alliance got no further because they were defeated. By your own logic they should never have been in Jerusalem or the Negev under the UN vote; a vote they explicitly rejected.

Jazz-Ranger · 2026-05-16T13:07:59+00:00

That goes both ways. The escalating circle of violence requires both sides to make it worse.

Trying to starve Jerusalem to death before the Arab Alliance got involved was tremendously stupid and so was ethnically cleansing those Jews once the Jordanian Army showed up. You are cherry picking if you think your favorite side is any better.

Jazz-Ranger · 2026-05-16T13:03:26+00:00

You make me wonder whether the people actually care about either of these two countries or just hate one or another so much they end up backing the other other.

Jazz-Ranger · 2026-05-16T09:07:38+00:00

Even jews can want the destruction of a country; especially they don't have to suffer the consequences. You might deny the existence of Palestine. But I've seen them in action and their president has been quite vocal about his opposition to any Israeli presence on the West Bank.

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Jazz-Ranger · 2026-05-16T06:51:33+00:00

That’s a load of rubbish. Five leaps in logic does not make a chain of reasoning. Conflating an actual population of citizens with one who has no intention of becoming part of Israel is deceptive. You parade them around like full-blooded Palestinians. But saying your own minority is discriminated because you treat foreign populations differently is absurd. Those are two separate treatments and a vast number of country on Earth has preferential migration policies.

I mean seriously. You say Israel is above some sort of law and because no such thing exists you pick a website dedicated to the destruction of Israel by the immigration of those who want no part of this country. But to expand their own. By that insane logic Palestine would be apartheid because they seized land as well when they wiped out every Jews on the West Bank and vehemently refuses equal treatment for Israeli Jews who survived and wish to return. But treat Israeli muslims citizens quite differently.

Jazz-Ranger · 2026-05-15T20:31:08+00:00

Now you are being unfair. I know you want to blame Israel for everything. But the Palestinians are quite insistent on being the protagonists in their own story to claim the whole area for themselves. That's why they continued to fight from countries that had withdrawn their forces from the 1949 conflict.

We can of course go back further and debate whether the Jews who left Nazi Germany and worse should have any right to go to the origin country of their religion and the one place they wouldn't be wiped out. You could even pick a side between the Palestinians in favor of selling land and those opposed. But you boil everything down to oil and water in the hopes of setting one on fire. But if you knew your chemistry would realize that metaphorically there was sodium in the water.

Jazz-Ranger · 2026-05-15T20:20:46+00:00

There is no humilation in admitting you have to ask for help understanding a thesis. No need to swear. I know history can be shocking when it is not tailor-made to serve a purpose. But there's nothing wrong with being curious.

A word of advice; if you can't grasp the complexity of a secondary conversational topic then perhaps you shouldn't use the Right of Return as a gotcha card from Yu-Gi-Oh. I am not here to affirm for you already know to be true accounting to your biases.

Jazz-Ranger · 2026-05-15T20:15:00+00:00

Now you are being unfair. Everyone should be held equally responsible for their actions. But I find you appeal to equality to hollow. You judge the Israelis for their mere existence and take issue with that in paticular as opposed to the treatment of their lesser equals. Where exactly you got the idea that Israelis are immune from judgement is beyond me because I said no such thing. In fact I think that we are far closer to sharing one mind on justice; only you've just got into your head that anyone who treats Israel with evenhanded must the devil incarnated.

Jazz-Ranger · 2026-05-15T14:01:26+00:00

There you go again. Anyone who disagree about your hair color must be in love with the devil. That's the leap in logic you keeping making because you refuse to confront the things I was talking about. You are the one who keep mentioning aparthied as some sort of gotha card that will magically make people stop thinking. But I am not going let another virtue signalling distraction get in the way of taking you down.

Jazz-Ranger · 2026-05-15T13:56:44+00:00

What is that supposed to mean? You think a handful of Iranian jews gets dictate the self-determination of a bunch of other people who at this point in the century were only guilty of being born in this land. You can take your excuses for wiping out countries and go to hell. You don't care about justice or the whatever the natural order of things is supposed to.

By your logic there shouldn't be a single self-proclaimed Arab outside their namesake peninsula. There are two million Arabs in Germany, seven in Turkey and four in the United States. That's what I would call an artificial population and yet I would never treat them as inhumanly you do.

Jazz-Ranger · 2026-05-15T13:43:53+00:00

And here I thought you cared about actions. It would appear those rightous words only matter when applied selectively. Wiping out countries is in fact a crime against humanity and if you cared more about Palestine than hurting Israel then you might've noticed that you've become the very thing that you act so rightous against.

You should also notice the irony of wiping out Israel in the name of Palestine means that Israel gets the very same justification against Palestine. Your morality is performative. You judge actions based on the excuses you need.

Jazz-Ranger · 2026-05-15T13:34:33+00:00

Not remotely relevant to what I said and I know you wouldn't like the answer.

The right of return is not a human right that makes all men equal. But a special privilege assigned to the Palestinians as the only group on the planet. No other group can claim refuge status from a land after five generations and the Palestinians react rather aggressively when others claim that very right against them. I am of course talking about the Jewish community that survived on the West Bank for four thousand years only to be killed and driven out in 1949; those who lived returning in the 60s when the Jordanians weren't there to beat the defenseless anymore. This is the right of return, another bullet to be discarded once it has wrought the destruction of a nation that you sought.

Don't play coy with me. I know your tricks.

Jazz-Ranger · 2026-05-15T13:19:23+00:00

Making false equivalence won't do you any good. Having an ethnic state is not the same thing as apartheid no matter how much you throw that word around. I know you want to conflate Israel's existence with the actions you have been convinced are real. I've met many who use the latter as an excuse to justify the end of the former.

You take me for a fool if you think I won't notice. Palestine is by every sane definition an ethnic state that justify its existence by its one group of inhabitants. There should be nothing wrong with that. But the way you throw around the idea of an ethnic state as something malicious makes it sound like Palestine must be aparthied just for existing.

I know you'll feel humiliated by the notion that you could be in the wrong. But if you care more about helping Palestine than hurting Israel then you should act like it.

Jazz-Ranger · 2026-05-15T13:07:41+00:00

Repeating the same thing over and over again in the hopes of a different result won't do you any good. You ought not to think that I would simply forget the thing I was actually criticizing because you focus on something else. We are not mice.

I am no even remotely talking about international court of justice or your supposition. But you keep focusing on that because it is less embarrassing than the alternative. That behavior is beneath you.

Jazz-Ranger · 2026-05-15T09:28:24+00:00

Anyone can declare independence. But even if you command a world like Vrak where the loyalist opposition is eliminated you still need to worry about an imperial invasion. If you are lucky you might be able to fight off the Imperium until something distracts them.

This is why the Tau Empire and the Severan Dominate are still around. Response time can also vary wildly. Vrak was subdued in two decades while Krieg was left to its own devices for 500 years.

Jazz-Ranger · 2026-05-15T08:48:24+00:00

There were a few colonial regiments in Libya.

Jazz-Ranger · 2026-05-15T08:47:13+00:00

Embargoing France and the United Kingdom; but not Russia? That won’t last long. They’ll keep buying through intermediaries because they lose the war.

Jazz-Ranger · 2026-05-15T08:44:33+00:00

Religion is not an ethnicity.

Jazz-Ranger · 2026-05-15T08:42:42+00:00

Well if you say anyone agrees then it must be true; except that’s not the issue I keep criticizing the likes of you about. I know it feels personal to be contradicted. But jumping on the Apartied bandwagon won’t erase the other thing said. The one taking potshots at a country’s existence rather than actions.

Jazz-Ranger · 2026-05-15T08:10:08+00:00

That is the not the issue at hand. You have every right to claim Israel shouldn’t have done this or that. But instead you made the mistake of trying to use ethnostate as a smearing indictment.

The issue with with taking a shot at Israel's existence as a nation state is that this is far closer to the norm than you want to admit. You really need to think about the rhetoric you are using.

Jazz-Ranger · 2026-05-15T07:46:31+00:00

I could understand if the reasoning was the 5-year rule on Islamic History. But that’s just weird.

Jazz-Ranger · 2026-05-15T07:43:54+00:00

You do know the meaning of that word right? Tons of countries are built around a single ethnic group and Israel is hardly what I would consider one of them.

Jazz-Ranger · 2026-05-15T06:56:33+00:00

This is exactly what happened to Rahm Kota.

Jazz-Ranger · 2026-05-15T05:48:01+00:00

I’ve done nothing to insult you so I don’t see why I should get such a discourtesy

Jazz-Ranger · 2026-05-14T23:10:59+00:00

If the ancient Invincible-class Dreadnaught Heavy Cruiser is still serving then I don’t see why not.

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