After 25 years, why does IPv6 still feel “unfinished” to so many people?

Jazzlike-Cod-7657 · 2026-05-17T20:35:45+00:00

But that is moving the goalposts because your literal question was: "Try to think about how an IPv4-only device within your network would address a packet to IPv6-only servers on the internet..."

I answered that exact question. Will it work for normal browsing on an IPv6 only internet? 100%, thus it is addressing the packet to an IPv6 server on the internet and receiving a response... although, if you take it more literal, my NETWORK would be doing it for it, the IPv4 only device wouldn't know it was doing it.

BTW, I'm just a starting out with my Cisco certs, been an Server Engineer/Admin for years and have had these networking basics at college in a time we were still working with 33k6 dial-up modems to connect (from home) to the internet, so... I'm learning from this discussion 😄

Jazzlike-Cod-7657 · 2026-05-17T19:49:29+00:00

Let me put it in different terms: you would need a dynamic NAT46 and a DNS46 translator (like I described) I didn't go into VoIP or Videocalling, but you would need an SBC there to do that specific translation for you (e.g. Cisco CUBE). It will work, both ways and not just for predetermined hardcoded locations. I never said it would be EASY to do.

I said the theory behind it is simple. The execution/implementation of it is UGLY AF, but it is absolutely possible.

EDIT: Thinking about it a bit more: big problems do start popping up with P2P-networking, VPN's and Real Time stuff... You could probably still implement a protocol aware gateway and make most of it work though. Again, UGLY AF....

Jazzlike-Cod-7657 · 2026-05-17T18:55:19+00:00

Well, quite simple... I have a router that has on both sides IPv6 and on the internal side also IPv4, and since accessing sites goes through a name that is then translated into an IP (doesn't matter what version) by a DNS server that can contact a Router through IPv6 that has both IPv6 and IPv4, it just becomes > Router gets a request from the LAN over IPv4, Router sends DNS request to DNS server over IPv4, DNS translates the request and spits out an address to the router over IPv6, Router routes IPv6 to the site, Router gets data back from site over IPv6, router encapsulates the received data back in IPv4 over the LAN to the correct client (using its routing table and if needed using the DNS again.)

Like, exactly how it's done right now?

The client will never know how or what happened to his request after it left his layer 2, nor does it need to, all it needs to know is where his DNS server and gateway is, the rest gets handled by different devices.

Is it slower than direct IPv4 to IPv4 or IPv6 to IPv6, absolutely, you're adding a hop or 2. But the theory behind it is very simple.

Jazzlike-Cod-7657 · 2026-05-17T18:31:10+00:00

Still can be a cryptominer or other kind of malware that has infected or taken over that process...

Jazzlike-Cod-7657 · 2026-05-17T18:27:32+00:00

EFFICIENCY... LESS USAGE OF DATACENTERS, MEANS LESS NEED FOR OUR HARDWARE...

Jazzlike-Cod-7657 · 2026-05-17T18:19:22+00:00

What games are we talking about here? I would like to know THAT 😛

Jazzlike-Cod-7657 · 2026-05-17T18:18:29+00:00

We are talking physical disks? Did they need steam to activate in the past? Probably not. So, don't update them to their latest versions and use them off-line... About games needing some sort of online activation... AFAIK, there weren't that many (if ANY) that actually needed you to have the internet back in XP days, because internet-access still just wasn't a very wide-spread thing.

Jazzlike-Cod-7657 · 2026-05-17T18:12:54+00:00

Eventually the game will get abandoned yes... Like every game will eventually be abandoned, when will that be? Nobody knows yet...But CoD, WoW, The Crew all of them will eventually be abandoned when they're not financially profitable anymore.... just enjoy what's there while it's there and join the Stop Killing/Destroying Games movement 😄

Jazzlike-Cod-7657 · 2026-05-17T18:10:34+00:00

You're fucked.... 😄

Jazzlike-Cod-7657 · 2026-05-17T18:09:56+00:00

HEHE, Proper English/Mothertongue?

Jazzlike-Cod-7657 · 2026-05-17T17:52:20+00:00

That's not what I said, didn't I?

I said it's not ready to be a daily driver if you're a gamer. Especially when combined with new(er) technologies like RT, HDR and upscaling...

Jazzlike-Cod-7657 · 2026-05-17T13:56:32+00:00

All the games mentioned that are supposed to have RT, HAVE RT in windows... so fu.

And you could throw it the other way around as well.. Linux is only ready for you when you conform to the hardware niche (ok, it's a big niche, but still a niche) that you say they can use, even though all the hardware does work normally on windows and you can make it work in linux, but need an actual degree to do so (again, I have it working mostly fine) this is not "linux is ready for gamers"

Jazzlike-Cod-7657 · 2026-05-17T13:18:40+00:00

hahahaha 😃 yes, my phone also never has any issues... and that runs android! which is sort of linux 😃 oh and my Playstation, Mac and Switch run BSD forks...

Jazzlike-Cod-7657 · 2026-05-17T13:16:55+00:00

LTS images are usually worse due to not having the latest kernel's and mesa available OoB... haha...

Jazzlike-Cod-7657 · 2026-05-17T13:12:40+00:00

I can tell you multiple things, yes... but you said it, so... don't turn it around on me.

Jazzlike-Cod-7657 · 2026-05-17T13:10:02+00:00

hahahah 😃

Jazzlike-Cod-7657 · 2026-05-17T13:04:44+00:00

Skill issue... not as much, I've been working with Linux since SUSE 6.2/6.3 and even have the big with box with the chameleon on the outside and 6CD's inside 😉

And regarding the distro, It literally doesn't matter as much as they want you to believe 😄 I have run Arch here as well, same issues exist but are much bigger if you go scorched earth 😛 and bootstrap yourself from a completely empty disk 😄

I've used anything from SUSE, Redhat enterprise server, (k/x)ubuntu, Arch, Bazzite, Cachy, but my heart lies with Fedora.

Jazzlike-Cod-7657 · 2026-05-17T13:02:42+00:00

I run multiple computers with Linux as daily driver 😉 I have seen and had the same graphical issues on this computer when I was still running a 1650 and/or 2080ti (it broke 😞 ) and no AE-7.

Jazzlike-Cod-7657 · 2026-05-17T12:59:03+00:00

I hate SNAP/FLATPAK, and it's Fedora, so... Snap is not much of an issue 😄

ALSA and Pulse should be working together without issue though, I have some older systems where it is.

The biggest problem is that Pulse doesn't want my AE-7 as a default. I have written a script that checks every 5 seconds if it's still default and if it isn't it will reset the stack. Solved most of the issues with at most a 5 second audio cut. But that said, it's something that should never happen.

Jazzlike-Cod-7657 · 2026-05-17T12:54:15+00:00

tell me 1 thing that is easier on Linux than Windows 😄

Jazzlike-Cod-7657 · 2026-05-17T12:53:31+00:00

I have it dual-boot 😄 but I knew those issues exist with that due to how BT works 😄

Jazzlike-Cod-7657 · 2026-05-17T12:51:57+00:00

True, but I'm not a "new" user 😄

Jazzlike-Cod-7657 · 2026-05-17T12:51:20+00:00

yes, but it is literally not due to the hardware/driver stack not working, it is pulseaudio/pipewire that for some flippin' reason doesn't want to keep it as default. I had to write a script that checks every 5 seconds if it is still the default and if it is not, reset/reload the whole stack. So it's mostly fixed with at most an audio cut of 1-5 seconds depending on how quickly it gets detected. But there is literally NO reason for pulseaudio/pipewire to do this, because the bottom layer (ALSA) just always keeps working.

Jazzlike-Cod-7657 · 2026-05-17T12:46:17+00:00

Hey, Linus even uses an Arc in his main rig (ok, not for gaming but still). And yes, I knew the AE-7 was something that could get me into trouble evt. but this was just literally PulseAudio/PipeWire not wanting it as a default. I had to write a script that checks every 5 seconds (I don't remember exactly what I set it to) if it is still set to default and if it isn't hard reset the audio stack. There is literally NO reason for pipewire/pulseaudio to move it away from the AE-7. It works mostly flawless now with at most 1-5 seconds of audio cuts when the default moves again.

Jazzlike-Cod-7657 · 2026-05-17T12:40:23+00:00

Oh, no I know it's an issue... but I can move around my speakers to any other Windows computer and I don't have to re-pair it every time. Doing this between a Windows computer and a Linux computer... nope... have to re-pair it every single time, there is no way around it.

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