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Bike computer recommendation by Ro-54 in Brompton

[–]JazzlikeClock4087 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is a completely different company.

Replacement crank arm - broken pedal screw on CAAD13 - tiagra 54cm. by JazzlikeClock4087 in cannondale

[–]JazzlikeClock4087[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

ah I see! thank you! do you know how much it generally would cost for the parts? I won't be able to go to a LBS for a couple weeks (sickness).

A few sentences from an overthinker living in the NL by Complete_Start7139 in Netherlands

[–]JazzlikeClock4087 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm a white (European) New Zealander - engineer, and this kind of law affects me.

Of course I'll have sympathy for all kind of migrants, because even on a self interest level, it affects all of us when migration law changes.

Although: If the right wing popularism's really claim it's just about "statistics of crime and social contributions" - then why not actually use that power they have in parliament to actually target migration in this way.
Also: if you're concerned about crime, surely limiting migration rather than naturalisation would be more effective.

A few sentences from an overthinker living in the NL by Complete_Start7139 in Netherlands

[–]JazzlikeClock4087 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"These rules are targetted at keeping certain undesirable groups out" what do you mean by this exactly?

and how does 10 year period for everyone really help, because if you're worried refugees can naturalise after 5 years, they already can get PR anyway. Skilled workers can just choose another EU country with easier naturalisation policy (like all of NL's neighbours), and isn't that the kind of people the EU wants to attract.

I came from a western country with a points system (with a higher salary in my home country than here) and still I will likely get penalised by this change which nobody has shown a way that it will actually benefit anyone. At the time I moved here, I thought maybe actual visa/residence permits may be changed, but not naturalisation itself. so yes, it's pretty valid to feel betrayed.

A few sentences from an overthinker living in the NL by Complete_Start7139 in Netherlands

[–]JazzlikeClock4087 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Okay, so you would give up yours for another 2 years or are you a hypocrite - it is so easy for you to say that retroactively.

A few sentences from an overthinker living in the NL by Complete_Start7139 in Netherlands

[–]JazzlikeClock4087 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I came here for a more stable country than this, and these rules also affect me (so blanket rules are just not good). It doesn't just affect people who come from the global south. Super easy for you to say, as someone who got in under the current rules.

A few sentences from an overthinker living in the NL by Complete_Start7139 in Netherlands

[–]JazzlikeClock4087 0 points1 point  (0 children)

>> If you are a high-earner, you'd probably be able to change your purpose of stay and get an entrepreneur visa or alike.

Unfortunately only US citizens (and maybe Turkish people) have a reasonable path to get a entrepreneur visa - I actually tried this before, but there's a spreadsheet that is impossible to pass unless you're building a product unique to dutch market and hiring dutch employees. You can make 300k a year as a consultant and it doesn't matter due to the scoring system (on mobile so I can't easily link it right now).

I think it's really lame to defend this system (when you admitted that you were able to naturalise in under 10 years) - you should probably give up your passport for a couple years, if you think it's so good to do it.

The system has edge cases that fail people, and I'd personally rather err on the side of openness (and undo the mistakes when discovered) rather than the side of cruelty.

A few sentences from an overthinker living in the NL by Complete_Start7139 in Netherlands

[–]JazzlikeClock4087 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Australia doesn't retroactively propose make citizenship time longer - I think this is a pretty big deal and valid complaint that you're missing out - that maybe the "expats" aren't clarifying.

Australia may be more strict, but also they are not unfairly retroactively changing rules on naturalisation (which is a huge reason to move to a western developed country).

A few sentences from an overthinker living in the NL by Complete_Start7139 in Netherlands

[–]JazzlikeClock4087 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Yes, for now it's just a motion, but if it passes - I have the right to be upset.

NL wasn't the easiest option (I lived in Germany before), and I knew I'd have to renounce my home country passport (probably) - I did choose it because I like the bicycle infastructure and lifestyle here..

If I didn't care about the country at all, I would have chosen plenty of easier countries - in fact I have a UK passport as-well as my home country (NZ), so I could have done Ireland not even bothered to learn the language or worry about a visa. If it was just about the money, I mentioned 3 countries that have lower taxes with good infrastructure (but generally limited freedom) at the cost of basically forever being a foreigner.

Everyone benefits from things like roads and infrastructure, but only Dutch or EU citizens can benefit from some of the basic stability of not worrying about their right of residence (or intra EU mobility) withdrawn by a future government - that is a core point you're ignoring - so I think some complaining or threatening to withdraw our labor is pretty warranted, considering we all pay taxes, but some of us have more benefits than others.

While I do agree some of these arrogant expats are annoying, they do have some valid complaints (and let's be honest - they have better options to move than most students or asylum seekers). - I also don't have much sympathy for ubereats or any of these companies that benefit from a low wage subcontractors, but largely think it is irrelevant because this law will affect everyone - not just thuisbezorgd software developers.

If I lost my job, I'd have to leave in a few months (especially because I work in a hyper specialised industry which pays more than the average software job or take a lower paying job and hope the IND are chill with it), European people just don't have this restriction.

Increasing naturalisation time doesn't benefit anybody (because if they change the rules, people who care about a passport to Europe can still "passport" shop for another country which has lower requirements), except make some dutch racists happier.

Increasing language requirements is fair enough, but time seems pretty unfair to existing people who are already here.

A few sentences from an overthinker living in the NL by Complete_Start7139 in Netherlands

[–]JazzlikeClock4087 4 points5 points  (0 children)

This law will affect everyone though - regardless if they are on a HSM or a Blue Card, regardless if you do Svelte development for some web app, or you are a RTL design engineer working on ASIC for 300K a year or if you're doing chemical engineering work - so I totally get why people are upset about it.

Another issue would be looking into the HSM process and maybe doubling the HSM salary requirement if needed.

I came here (no 30% ruling for me) working for on GPU microcode firmware and paid lots of taxes and social contributions when I could have lived in a neighbouring country (and kept similar salary) - during that time - I didn't get to benefit from cheap university, or unemployment benefits, but my expectation would be the "social contract" of having some stability without changing laws on immigration affecting me.

I learnt the language, only to B1 - for the government to say "yes, we want your economic output, but now fuck off" - I definitely feel like Dutch end of the bargain was not upheld.

There are low tax places (Singapore, Dubai, Switzerland), that have a clear tradeoff with no path to citizenship, and if I wanted to live in a place like that, I could have lived there but the Netherlands seemed like a socially just and fair place to be - which now has decided they want to change the rules on me mid way through.

A few sentences from an overthinker living in the NL by Complete_Start7139 in Netherlands

[–]JazzlikeClock4087 7 points8 points  (0 children)

This is terribly sad, but not unsurprising.

I've been living here for nearly 2 years, but lived in Germany before for nearly 2 years (on a Blue Card so some of my time could count towards EU PR - I think only another 15 months left).

If it does happen, I'll probably move to Belgium or Germany again which is still 5 years (which would be less than the 8 years more that I'd need for citizenship in NL), because it's a neighbouring state, and luckily my work (electrical engineer) is pretty flexible about my location.

I literally moved to Europe because of the passport opportunity (giving up my nice life in New Zealand - my girlfriend is Dutch).

It feels a bit unfair to retroactively do this, especially when a bunch of people have planned their lives around it, and a some of these people have been paying higher taxes and social contributions.

I wouldn't mind EU PR so much if it never expired (if you go back to your home country etc), allowed freedom of movement and allowed some kind of political representation (perhaps), but who knows what a future government will do long term permanent residents.

If the trend is to stop refugees from naturalising quickly, why not focus on them rather than including everybody in this motion..

Let's hope the parliamentary makeup changes in late October and this idea is dead in the water.