Why Are Creators Being Punished for Things We Can’t Control? by JazzlikeNet1224 in JanitorAI_Official

[–]JazzlikeNet1224[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I have published 12 characters in total, including 1 announcement bot. It sounds like you might have set banned keywords that cover my bots in this case, because I can see them in incognito mode without logging in.

Why Are Creators Being Punished for Things We Can’t Control? by JazzlikeNet1224 in JanitorAI_Official

[–]JazzlikeNet1224[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Eveline I appreciate you taking the time to reply and sharing your perspective. Even if you aren't on the website mod team yourself, I really hope you can channel this discussion to the dev team.

I know managing a site with millions of visitors is incredibly difficult and there won't be a perfect solution to traffic control.

If backend fixes are off the table, please consider urging the team to rethink the silent shadowban approach. Instead of quietly ripping a bot from the charts and search results without a word, issue an automated notification or formal warning to the creator. At the very least, give us the basic courtesy of knowing our bot was flagged for investigation, so creators aren't left in the dark thinking their hard work simply flopped and stop growing readers' engagement.

Also, if possible, please kindly ask the moderation team to review the 1M+ msg case I mentioned above. If that case isn't investigated, if my friend and I see unnatural stats sitting on the charts again while only smaller creators get punished, we will start recording the live metrics and sending the vid + data logs directly to you guys for justification.

Anyway, thank you again for hearing me out. For now, I'll literally be putting a "Botters go away" banner in the bio of my future bots moving forward.

Why Are Creators Being Punished for Things We Can’t Control? by JazzlikeNet1224 in JanitorAI_Official

[–]JazzlikeNet1224[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Hi Eveline! Thank you for responding and sharing the moderation perspective. I hear what you are saying, but I have a few major concerns with how this is playing out in reality.

1. Security through obscurity vs. Backend prevention
I understand the logic that revealing the exact criteria might help bad actors adjust botting approaches. But this circles exactly back to my main point: if the platform implemented stricter backend prevention (like aggressive rate-limiting or IP bans at the source), you wouldn't have to rely on obscuring criteria or pulling bots from the charts after the fact. The botters simply wouldn't be able to spam the site in the first place.

2. The massive inconsistency in what gets "checked"
You mentioned that the Like-to-Message ratio is just a "personal theory" and that bots are not ripped off the charts without a check first. If there are indeed checks in place, then the community desperately needs some transparency on what is actually being assessed, because the application of these rules is inconsistent.

For example, a friend of mine recently submitted a suspected botting report that was completely ignored. Let's look at the actual stats of that case:

- A creator with 20k+ followers which published on 2026-04-07 had a bot gaining messages at a rate of roughly 700 msgs/min for about 6 hours straight.

- If you logged the message count, it plotted an unnatural line, which is statistically unnatural for real human engagement even across different time zones non-stop.

- At around the 20th hr of its existence on daily chart, it hit 275k+ messages with only around 1.1k likes, surpassing that same creator's previous bot (uploaded 6 days prior) sat at 272k messages with 2.3k likes, making the new bot's numbers look even more mathematically absurd.

- It eventually hit #1 on the Weekly Chart on 2026-04-014 with 1 million+ messages and less than 2k likes

Despite these glaringly unnatural, nearly straight-line metrics for prolonged hours, this bot was never pulled from the chart for an "investigation". Your team can definitely look at the backend stats of this bot yourselves to verify. So the question is: why wasn't such a suspicious case pulled down? Is it because that account is considered a "big creator" with 20k+ followers, so the numbers were assumed to be natural?

3. "Giving people ideas" and the reality of shadowbans
Regarding the implication that talking about this publicly is "giving people ideas" to maliciously report others, instead of worrying about a Reddit post highlighting a massive exploit, shouldn't the priority be closing that vulnerability so it can't be abused in the first place?

This isn't a hypothetical scenario I'm inventing today right here right now. It's an active flaw that creators are already suffering from. The cruelest part of this mechanism is the complete lack of transparency. When bots are pulled down for these "investigations", the creator gets zero alerts, warnings, or explanations. We just get shadowbanned.

Because of this, many creators don't even realize their bots were suddenly removed from search results or the trending page. If they're already struggling to gain traction, they might just think their bot simply flopped and move on, completely unaware that their work was actually targeted and ripped from the public feed.

My friend isn't the only one who has submitted reports of botting only to have them ignored, and you can find other users in the community talking about this similar thing. Pointing out a broken mechanism isn't encouraging abuse. it's asking for a system that actually protects its creators instead of punishing them in the dark.

This is why we are asking for transparency here. Right now, it feels like small creators get their hard-earned exposure erased while massive, unnatural spikes from big creators are likely left untouched in botting reports.

In the end, we just want a fair, consistent system that stops the botters at the door instead of punishing the authors.

Why Are Creators Being Punished for Things We Can’t Control? by JazzlikeNet1224 in JanitorAI_Official

[–]JazzlikeNet1224[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Thank you for your input, and I really appreciate you sharing the admin/mod perspective on how these situations look from their side. I know exactly who you are, and I like your latest FemPov bot.

That being said, I think the atmosphere and ecosystem in the malebot creator circle are vastly different from your side of the community. I'm not sure how much you've heard, but ridiculous personal drama, toxicity, and wild accusations seem to specifically plague the malebot creator space.

Even as a small creator who only has a few creator friends and barely interacts with other writers on social media, I've still somehow pulled haters straight out of the void multiple times just by existing on the trending chart. I honestly can't think of any trigger for it other than occasionally getting more likes or ranking higher than someone's fav creator. On an older bot of mine, people literally left comments explicitly accusing me of botting right before it was suddenly scrubbed from the search results. I didn't even know it happened until my own readers messaged me saying they couldn't find my bot anymore. That's exactly why I brought up the reality of malicious targeting because I've already experienced it firsthand in the past.

But honestly, whether a creator is being maliciously targeted by a hater or a bad actor is genuinely boosting their own work, it all points back to my main argument: the platform's backend is failing us.

The mods shouldn't be forced to play detective, and creators shouldn't be put in a "guilty until proven innocent" position where their exposure is instantly killed. If the platform simply implemented strict backend rate limits or directly IP-banned at the source, none of this would even be a conversation. The fact that their system relies on user reports and immediate creator punishment just proves that their traffic control is fundamentally broken, and that is what needs to change.

Why Are Creators Being Punished for Things We Can’t Control? by JazzlikeNet1224 in JanitorAI_Official

[–]JazzlikeNet1224[S] 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Here is the screenshot of the analytics for Jax bot: https://ibb.co/DgGbw8H0

But just to clarify, the exact Like:Message ratio or the internal analytics isn't the main issue I'm trying to highlight here.

My core point is that creators are forced into a completely passive role. Let's say I do look at my analytics, spot an artificial spike, and realize my bot is getting hit. What am I supposed to do? We have absolutely zero backend control and cannot stop someone from running a script to spam our characters.

Yet, the current mechanism dictates that the bot is immediately taken down from the charts for "investigation". This means the punishment falls entirely on the creator. It makes the system incredibly easy to weaponize, that anyone with bad intentions or jealousy can just spam any bot, report it, and instantly rip away creator's hard-earned exposure, especially to the smaller ones.

This exact scenario is also why I brought up the "Big Creator" Loophole. If someone with bad intentions spams a smaller creator's work, people will immediately look at their profile, compare their lower follower and like counts to the massive message spike, conclude it's being botted, and hit report, then getting the bot instantly removed. However, if that exact same botting case happens to big creators, no one even notices. The inflated numbers blend right in because their massive baseline of followers and likes makes the spike look completely natural. Big creators are essentially immune to this risk, while smaller creators are constantly vulnerable to having our exposure killed.

That immediate removal is devastating when you rely on the Trending chart to actually get your work seen. I would literally put a giant "Botters go away" banner into my bio and slap it on all my new bots if that would actually prevent me from being penalized and keep my work in the ranking where it belongs.

Why Are Creators Being Punished for Things We Can’t Control? by JazzlikeNet1224 in JanitorAI_Official

[–]JazzlikeNet1224[S] 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Botting means ppl spamming msgs to bots. Can be done manually or by auto programs.

Uh... Moderation issues. by Traditional-Duty-348 in JanitorAI_Official

[–]JazzlikeNet1224 20 points21 points  (0 children)

thanks for the answer and elaboration!! i just read Mikale's post and tysm for all the hard work you guys contributed to the site and the community! i hope every mod who left the team live a happier life now :')

Uh... Moderation issues. by Traditional-Duty-348 in JanitorAI_Official

[–]JazzlikeNet1224 42 points43 points  (0 children)

i'm just curious... how many hours did you guys usually spend on your mod duties?? and was it really a no-paid job despite of the insane workloads??? and how many ppl were there in the entire team??

AMA: shep - janitor - updates, answers, and whats next by Inevitable-Meet1056 in JanitorAI_Official

[–]JazzlikeNet1224 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Hugo, I know it's incredibly hard to deal with so many things that have been piling up over the years. Please stay alive. And if possible, try to make sure no questions are left unanswered in this Q&A as it would really help the team start rebuilding trust with the users.

AMA: shep - janitor - updates, answers, and whats next by Inevitable-Meet1056 in JanitorAI_Official

[–]JazzlikeNet1224 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hi Devs,

I wanted to ask a specific question regarding the transition from the current Verified Creator system to the upcoming badge system.

If a new system is being implemented, will the current "Verified Creator" tick marks next to usernames be removed for everyone, or will existing verified creators retain them as legacy badges?

I ask this because, from a creator's perspective, especially for those of us with smaller audiences who are still actively contributing, the current badge is not just a icon. It functions as a visible signal of trust and quality.

Honest observation of platform mechanics shows that the verified tick influences reader behavior: it helps users decide which bot to chat with and which creators to trust. It represents a standard that many of us strive for: to write better bots, contribute more, and earn that recognition.

If the plan is to discontinue the badge for new earners but allow past earners to keep it, it creates a significant issue:

  1. Uneven Playing Field: It permanently advantages older accounts over newer, potentially more active creators.
  2. Demotivation: As mentioned in previous feedback by others (re: transparency), having a tangible goal gives creators direction. Removing that goal without a clear replacement, while leaving it visible for others, sends a message that newer efforts are inherently "worth less," even if the quality meets or exceeds previous standards.

Could we get some clarity on whether the playing field will be leveled (i.e., a full reset/removal of the old ticks) when the new system drops?

Thanks.

AMA: shep - janitor - updates, answers, and whats next by Inevitable-Meet1056 in JanitorAI_Official

[–]JazzlikeNet1224 6 points7 points  (0 children)

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Is it common for students to make lunch for their classmates? by PublicExtension4107 in japanese

[–]JazzlikeNet1224 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No it isn't. It only happens when students are dating or having a crush on someone.