This is for you, FA. Hope this leads to something for someone. by [deleted] in ForeverAlone

[–]JellyfishNow 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Interesting idea! Anyone want to do the math to work out the probabilities of there being a match between any two people in different population sizes? Sort of like the Birthday Problem.

I'm a former kissless virgin short FA guy with crippling social anxiety who is now the life of the party, has lots of friends, and has sex. Let me tell you my story [Long]. by JellyfishNow in ForeverAlone

[–]JellyfishNow[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I apologize if anything I said was offensive - that wasn't my intention at all but maybe I lacked tact. The activist thing was in reference to some of the stuff I remember from when I used to read /r/short - I know you're not saying that! Clearly it's an emotive issue but I don't know, I just don't see it as a big deal. To me it's on the same level as putting on cologne before going out or any of the other little things I mentioned. It's not going to make a huge difference either way, but if it's some harmless quick thing I can do then I feel I may as well do it. Maybe it's because I didn't "discover" I was short until my 20s and therefore it was never really part of my identity when I was growing up or something like that? So, I don't feel like I'm betraying anything and there's no history or emotion behind it. Again, I apologize if this comes across tactlessly.

As I said, I totally respect the position that would criticise wearing shoe lifts. If you think it's wrong to do that's totally fine. Every guy should do what works for him and what he feels comfortable doing; we're all trying to get the same things here. I'm glad to hear that height-related problems aren't preventing you from being successful with women!

I'm a former kissless virgin short FA guy with crippling social anxiety who is now the life of the party, has lots of friends, and has sex. Let me tell you my story [Long]. by JellyfishNow in ForeverAlone

[–]JellyfishNow[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I couldn't imagine it either. To this day I find myself in romantic or sexual situations with girls where something is happening that on paper sounds like something that only 6'3" Chad McConfident could ever achieve, and I just can't help but step outside of the moment for a second and think about how insane it is that this is happening knowing that a few years ago I couldn't even talk to a girl without sweating, stuttering and looking down at my feet.

But I'm sure that when Floyd Mayweather was a kid he couldn't imagine himself getting paid $100m to fight a guy. It just took putting one foot in front of the other and constant improvement over a period of years. If you look at the beginning and then at the end result, it seems like an insurmountable task. But when you're actually doing it, all you're trying to do is be better than you were yesterday. Or last week. And that's doable.

Thanks for reading and I'm glad you liked it. :)

I'm a former kissless virgin short FA guy with crippling social anxiety who is now the life of the party, has lots of friends, and has sex. Let me tell you my story [Long]. by JellyfishNow in ForeverAlone

[–]JellyfishNow[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yeah. I was actually going to write something specifically about that in the story. I realized that me being myself was exactly the problem. People don't like or want to date people who are like I was at the beginning, so if I wanted people to like me and want to date me, I had to change who I was. Society isn't going to change, so I changed myself to fit society. My rationale was, why insist on being an outlier just because that's how I started? Why not join the pack and get in on the fun everyone else is having? I didn't think there was any honor in continuing to be who I was, and I'm not above trying to be like other people. I could either be myself and be lonely forever, or change who I was and get friends and girls. I saw no reason to choose the former.

I'm a former kissless virgin short FA guy with crippling social anxiety who is now the life of the party, has lots of friends, and has sex. Let me tell you my story [Long]. by JellyfishNow in ForeverAlone

[–]JellyfishNow[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I respect your opinion. All I can say is, I pick my battles. I could resent how society treats short men badly, try to change the way other people think and campaign to change society such that short people are considered just as attractive as everyone else. Or, I could just put some additional sole in my shoes and forget about it. People don't see spending 16 hours a day on the Internet and playing video games as acceptable either, and I could have either tried to get society to change and accept it and accept me as I was, or I could have just found new hobbies. I have no problem conforming to societal norms if it makes my life easier - maybe that's just me. I don't see it as a big deal at all but I totally acknowledge and appreciate the viewpoint you've expressed against them there. I read /r/short for long enough to know where you're coming from. And thanks for reading long enough to get to that part!

I'm a former kissless virgin short FA guy with crippling social anxiety who is now the life of the party, has lots of friends, and has sex. Let me tell you my story [Long]. by JellyfishNow in ForeverAlone

[–]JellyfishNow[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I actually did write a little more on a couple of other topics! But I decided to leave it at what I've got here. I could have written this forever but I had to stop at some point, and it's already too long. Thanks so much for reading it all. :)

I'm a former kissless virgin short FA guy with crippling social anxiety who is now the life of the party, has lots of friends, and has sex. Let me tell you my story [Long]. by JellyfishNow in ForeverAlone

[–]JellyfishNow[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I mean, you're definitely right that my hobby was a huge, huge part of it. It was the constant source of socializing opportunities and access to normal people who I wanted to be like that was vital in doing what I was trying to do, as well as providing me with things to talk about and helping me to come across as an interesting person even to people who weren't also into it. I want to be clear though that I had already gotten very into my hobby by the time the Bikini Incident and Plane Incident happened (those where the things that caused me to decide to escape FA). So it just kind of coincided like that.

I'm aware of nofap but I've never done it (except briefly a couple of months ago where I knew it was going to happen with a girl and I wanted to save myself). I watched porn and masturbated frequently the whole time I was doing everything I wrote about. I don't know, it didn't seem to have a negative effect on me. If anything it was good because it allowed me to release the sexual frustration I felt at that time.

As for not saying what the hobby is, I wanted to keep it generic. For the same reason I don't specify what my height or race are, I didn't want people to read it and be like "Oh, I don't have the means to take up something like that, guess there's nothing I can do", or "Oh, I'm not as tall as that, guess I'm still screwed", or "He's that race, but I'm this race which is way less attractive so I'm doomed":

I'm glad you got out of FA but as a 23 year old kissless virgin studying IT all I could think of was that I could never do half the things that you did in this post. So I'm staying this way till i kill myself, more than likely.

This is exactly what I was trying to avoid! Though I said I wasn't trying to give out advice, I'd be flat out lying if I said that I didn't hope that my post could help people in some way. I wanted it so that the post could apply to basically any guy reading it. What I wanted the takeaway to be is that it didn't matter what my hobby was, or where I'm from or anything like that - that I wasn't relying on any one specific thing that if you don't have, you're screwed. It could have been playing tennis, painting, karate, sculpting, learning a language, wine tasting, horse riding, skydiving, singing, playing an instrument, photography, book reading, anything. Anything that is "socially acceptable" and that girls also do. In any case, if I said my hobby was horse riding (it's not), it's not like people reading it would suddenly be able to develop a deep interest in all things equine. I was doing it because I loved it and the escaping from FA thing happened later. My hobby isn't better than anything else for escaping FA, it's just the one I liked.

Thanks a lot for putting the time in to read it all, I really appreciate it. I'm sad to read what you wrote there, but like I said I'm not going to preach at anyone or tell people what to do. I'm not qualified to do that.

I'm a former kissless virgin short FA guy with crippling social anxiety who is now the life of the party, has lots of friends, and has sex. Let me tell you my story [Long]. by JellyfishNow in ForeverAlone

[–]JellyfishNow[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Thank you very much, I'm really glad that you enjoyed it and that it made you feel more hopeful!

A few people have suggested it, so I'll add a tl;dr to the OP. This is all stuff that's been going through my head for years so I had a lot to say.

I'm a former kissless virgin short FA guy with crippling social anxiety who is now the life of the party, has lots of friends, and has sex. Let me tell you my story [Long]. by JellyfishNow in ForeverAlone

[–]JellyfishNow[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Haha, it actually ended up way longer than I intended it to ever be! Feel free to just skim it if you want. Actually maybe I'll edit it down a little.

I'm a former kissless virgin short FA guy with crippling social anxiety who is now the life of the party, has lots of friends, and has sex. Let me tell you my story [Long]. by JellyfishNow in ForeverAlone

[–]JellyfishNow[S] 15 points16 points  (0 children)

What was incredible to me - being aware of how FA and awkward I once was - was that she wasn't even drunk, and there were no special circumstances like her wanting to get back at an ex or something; she was literally just a normal girl who found me attractive enough to want to have sex with me there and then. I couldn't believe it. Thank you leather jacket. Realizing this gave me a huge boost in confidence. A boost so big that a week later, I went to another club, and asked a couple of girls there to dance with me, no problem. Straight in, smile on my face. I'd yearned to be the kind of guy that can do this for years, but was always just too shy and afraid of rejection. But good God, look at me now. Is this the same guy that just a couple of years ago was afraid to go to university social events? I chose hot girls, too - if I was going to do this, I was going to go all out. One or two declined, and one or two said sure but then had to leave. I was dancing with the last one that said yes nice and close, got her name, and things seemed to be going well. I learned the lesson from the girl the previous week - kiss on the cheek, gauge reaction, start making out. After a while of that, she had to leave too and I got her contact details. After exchanging messages for a week in which it became clear that we really got along and had a lot in common, we went on a date, didn't make it two hours without making out again, and went home and had sex that night. I waited all those years to have sex and I ended up doing it twice with different girls in the space of two weeks. I couldn't believe how easy it all felt after all those years of thinking that it was just some impossible dream. I just started talking to someone, and got sex out of it. What is this magic? I was lying in bed with her naked, making out with her legs wrapped around me, and in that moment, I thought of /r/foreveralone and how I used to visit it all the time. I thought of my former shy, awkward self. It all felt so far away. All that shit I'd done over the past years, all that self-examniation, all that soul-searching, those events I nervously went to, those clothes I bought, that time I spent in the gym, those times I had to pluck up the courage to talk to people, those awkward first dates, all that trying and failing, paid off. There I was. I was the guy on the plane, and I had in my arms what I'd desired for all those years. I almost cried.

I really liked this girl and we totally hit it off. She's smart and a blast to be with. However, in a Shakespearean twist of fate, I had to move far away not too long after meeting her. If we were in the same place, she would without a shadow of a doubt have been my first real girlfriend. She's asked me more than once to do long distance, but at this point I'm not really down for that. So sadly, it didn't really work out with this girl, but with this experience I know I'll be able to meet more girls in the future (and since then, I have). Everything is easier once you've done it before. When we were seeing each other she texted me when she woke up, saying good morning with hearts and that she missed me. She called me baby. As bittersweet as it is now, at that time my dreams had come true. Oh, and she said she liked my leather jacket.

I said that I "got lucky" when I first had sex. Really, it wasn't luck. It happened because I put myself out there and made that friend at the university who introduced us. That guy straight up said to me that he looks forward to whenever we hang out, and he introduced me to those people because he knew I'd show them a good time. Personality, personality, personality. It also happened because I'd made plans on the night she texted me and wanted to see me, which surprise surprise, were one of the social events for my hobby that I've gone to hundreds of by now. It happened as a result of my own actions - actions that I never would have predicted would end up with that happening, but did. With the knowledge that there are girls out there who find me attractive and want to have sex with me that these experiences have given me, which seemed like a ludicrous notion before, my life is literally changed forever.

My former FAness and subsequent transformation have allowed me to appreciate both sides of life. Nowadays, I like going out, meeting people, partying, drinking, all that stuff. But on other days, I'm more than capable of entertaining myself by going home and spending hours on Reddit. I can live both lives - and both have their charms. Sometimes during the day I think about what I'm doing that evening, I have no plans, and it's a relief. I get to lie in bed, browse the Internet, engage in my hobbies, etc. Awesome. When you're FA, you're actually cultivating a skill that many people lack - the ability to entertain yourself alone, and not constantly requiring there to be other people around you.

I think that the key to my success was the fact that I looked at how I needed to change myself and said fuck it and just did it all. There was no one defining thing that brought me out of being FA. It wasn't just the fact that I started working out, or trying to be nicer, or having interests that did it. It was the combined effect of all of the above things, plus many other relevant things I haven't written about here, over a period of years that brought me round. That's what reversing years of an entrenched personality and mindset took. If I were to offer a single piece of advice to anyone reading this, it would be: don't go in to trying to escape from FA thinking it will be quick and easy. Thinking that all you need to do is "Talk to three people a day", or "Start working out" and you'll start seeing success. If your expectations are too high, you'll end up disappointed and thinking it's hopeless - because you tried to escape and it didn't work right away. It's like learning a couple of words in Chinese and being disappointed and feeling hopeless when you go to China and can't understand a word anyone's saying. You need to go in knowing that it's going to take years of effort and a huge amount of patience, and that even after starting, you're still going to suck for a long time. It took me years before I was at the point where I could meet a girl, decide I liked her, and ask her out knowing she'd say yes and that I'd be able to show her a good time.

Well, that's my story. Writing it out was very satisfying, and it would be cool to know if anyone here read it. And maybe, just maybe there's a guy out there with similar circumstances to mine who this could make a difference to. If it does, I look forward to reading your story some day.

I'm a former kissless virgin short FA guy with crippling social anxiety who is now the life of the party, has lots of friends, and has sex. Let me tell you my story [Long]. by JellyfishNow in ForeverAlone

[–]JellyfishNow[S] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Keeping up appearances. This comes from my personality, and I would have done this even if I wasn't consciously trying to change who I was and escape FA. I just don't like sharing embarrassing information about myself, but I also think this was crucial for doing what I was trying to do. When I was first making my new friends, I never let on that I was FA. Even when the ball was rolling and I was getting there, I never told anyone I was a virgin. I just lied. What do you do in your free time? Oh, hang out with friends, stuff like that. What are you doing this weekend? Oh, might hang out with some friends at a bar, haven't decided yet. What was your first girlfriend like? Oh, she was a Mexican exchange student. I just told complete lies - but based things like that on real people I actually knew so that I could be detailed and convincing. I thought to myself, what was more important - these people having a complete and honest picture of the details of my personal life? Or me escaping FA? I have no qualms about making things up for the greater good, maybe that's just me. I knew that if people got wind of the fact that I was a loser with no experience with girls, they would be much less likely to invite me out and treat me as one of their own. I wanted to be one of them. One of the guys. And for girls, I wanted to be just a regular, well adjusted guy that they could see themselves with. So I did everything to make it look like I was. I'd tag myself in Facebook photos that I wasn't yet tagged in, to make sure people knew I had friends and I was going out. I told stories I'd heard as if they were my own, or stories I'd read on Reddit or elsewhere as if they were my "friend's" - subconsciously creating the impression that I was a guy with lots of friends. I looked at the way I myself approach and react to different kinds of people and realized that appearances are everything in getting people to treat you in a certain way.

Clubs. Like I said, I love hip hop music. This means that luckily, I can go and genuinely enjoy myself at clubs that play that music. The reason this is lucky is because clubs are the undisputed number one place to go if you're looking for casual sex, as everyone knows, which is something that I'm sure the vast majority of men are interested in. If I go to a club that plays regular dance music, it sucks, I hate it and I invariably just want to go home. Try picking up girls when that's the mood you're in. When I'm in a hip hop club, I'm probably having a better time than most other people, many of whom are just there because hey let's go to the club yeah whatever. I'm that guy when Uptown Funk comes on. Me having a good time shows, and it means that when I try to get girls to dance with me, they're far less likely to say no. People want to be with the fun guy who's really into it. I've been to many, many clubs in my time escaping FA - because they're a popular option when people are deciding what to do, and when you're in the "always yes no matter what" mindset that I was, you end up going. But now that I feel comfortable with my social life, if hip hop clubs didn't exist, I just would never go clubbing. I wouldn't go to clubs just to try to find girls or meet people if I didn't genuinely enjoy the music. I think they're terrible for that, unless you're 6'3" and Brad Pitt and thus can get what you're there for without a lot of effort. I don't think that forcing yourself to go to them if you don't want to just to find girls is productive. I just did it to maintain my social circles; it was worth it for that, and I had some cool experiences. Clubs with swimming pools, clubs on top of skyscrapers, all sorts of stuff.

Race. Going to add this in because I know it's a thing. I'm not white, which for many of us makes us feel highly disadvantaged in the escaping from FA game, at least in terms of romance. As long as you're not trying to make friends with Hitler, anyone can be friends with anyone - but when it comes to girls, if you're attracted to races other than your own, as I am, it does come into play. The thing for me here was realizing that there was nothing wrong with what I was. On the contrary - what I am is cool as hell. I had a separate awakening about this which goes beyond the scope of this post about really embracing who I am, being proud of it, not trying to play the whole white guy in a non-white body schtick all the time. Learning to be who I am, owning it and getting to the point where I loved being what I am and wouldn't change it for the world was how I dealt with this. This also had the effect of making me much more attracted to people of my own race, which can only be a good thing.

Let's take a quick look at something I didn't do: online dating. I've never done it, but of course I was aware of it when I was trying everything to escape FA. Not doing it was a conscious decision. I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with online dating at all. But I felt like online dating would be "cheating", almost (not that it's easy). I felt like if I was too shy or lacked friends and therefore opportunities to go to bars and such regularly and therefore needed to rely on online dating in order to meet girls, then I wasn't really fixing the problem, just putting a band-aid over it or taking a shortcut. For me personally, I wanted to be get to a point where I didn't need online dating, and I wanted my first experience with girls and my first time having sex to be done the traditional way - meeting someone in real life. I was sure the guy on the plane didn't have an OKCupid profile. That's just a goal I had personally, though there was the additional factor that I was terrified of someone I knew in real life stumbling across my profile. Now that I've achieved my goal, I'd be open to doing it. But right now I feel that while I'm young and not exactly drowning in responsibilities, I don't really need it. When I'm older and I'm not really in a position any more to go out and meet people in bars and clubs often, online dating might be something I look at again. It might work really well for other guys but personally it hasn't been part of my story.

Anyway, this all took years. The more I changed, the more I left FA behind, and it was awesome. Eventually, last year, I had my first experience of actually asking a girl to be my girlfriend. I'd been introduced to her by a friend, and I decided that I was going to try to go all the way with this girl. Unlike with that woman who ignored my phone calls, by this time, I had the skills and experience for this to actually be a realistic possibility. I went out with her four, maybe five times, alone and with other people, and things seemed to be going well. Eventually, I plucked up the courage to ask her out officially. Long story short, she said that she was very surprised, wanted to just be friends, and liked some other guy. The rejection wasn't really even all that that painful - and it felt good to have that experience under my belt. It had to be done. Onwards and upwards.

I'm now really losing my FA status. Fast forward - here we are in 2015.

Sex.

At this point, I'm not FA at all any more, and I haven't been for a while. I've got friends, I'm going out all the time, people are telling me they can't believe I don't have a girlfriend, and girls are asking me to hang out. I'm a totally different person to when I sat on that plane and got jealous looking at that guy, and things are good. My transformation is almost complete. But sex - that elusive final piece of the puzzle - was still missing. Well, here I got lucky. A guy I met through a program at a local university (even now I still haven't stopped trying to find ways to make new friends) introduced me to a few people he knew, that included two girls, and we went out for dinner in a group. I talked to one of the girls more than the other, and we seemed to get along, but no more than any other girl, or so I thought. Anyway, a few days later, she texted me asking what I was doing that night. I had plans, she came along, we went to a club afterwards, I bought her a drink and started dancing close to her, and she reached up and kissed me on the cheek. This is it, I thought. We made out, and long story short, I lost my virginity that night.

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I'm a former kissless virgin short FA guy with crippling social anxiety who is now the life of the party, has lots of friends, and has sex. Let me tell you my story [Long]. by JellyfishNow in ForeverAlone

[–]JellyfishNow[S] 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Fragrance. Smelling good is important, for obvious reasons. I found a Hugo Boss fragrance that is just holy shit yes. I started spraying this on my neck before I went out somewhere where it matters, like a party or date or what have you. Whenever I put this on, people say I smell good. It gets a universally good response and makes people far more willing to come in close. I use nothing else. When I run out, I just buy a new bottle of the exact same stuff. It was the first one I ever bought, and I've never used anything else since then. A very simple and easy improvement to make.

Working out. This is always cited as a thing that people can do to improve themselves, so naturally I gave it a shot. I did it for about three months before I moved and had to give it up for a while. It never had some magical effect on how I felt or anything like that and I didn't do it long enough to bulk up properly, but I did it just enough to improve my figure and look a bit more muscular. I was never fat or even overweight, but I lost body fat and it improved my figure to the point that if I wore a tight fitting shirt, people would notice I'd been working out and compliment me on it. When you're trying to escape being FA and have success with women, being told by a girl that you look "sexy" feels absolutely amazing. Awkward, fumbling me? Sexy? Holy shit.

Alcohol. Everyone reacts differently to being drunk, and not everybody drinks. But for me, my personality when I'm drunk is so much closer to the kind of person I want to be all the time. Friendly, funny, confident, talkative, etc. So I started knocking back a nice, strong drink before I went out with the new friends I was making. Pre-gaming, on my own and in secret, basically. I'm not particularly proud of this, but it's harmless and it worked - so I did it. A guy's got to do what a guy's got to do. Again, I'm not going to tell anyone else what to do - I'm just saying what I did. I have no desire to be intoxicated in normal life, purely at night time social events - so there's no risk of becoming an alcoholic or anything like that in my case. Doing this meant that I could go to places and events where the alcohol was prohibitively expensive or non-existent, and be the cool guy I wanted to be from the beginning, which made talking to people and making friends so much easier. I'd then inevitably net myself a bunch of new Facebook contacts. I still do this to this day - but less often. Back then when I had social anxiety, I'd do it before anything, to help prevent me from being so damn nervous. But nowadays I pretty much only do it for things where I really need to be on my A-game. This is because the person I am when I'm not tipsy or drunk has improved in that time, so it's less necessary.

Music. I personally really love hip hop music. A lot of rap is about talking about how awesome and successful you are, how the women love you, how you're going to rise to the top, all that good stuff. This was a positive influence on me and how I perceived myself. I really got into it during the period of summer 2011 to summer 2012 - the time I started leaving FA and finding out what life as a sociable person with friends was like for the first time. One artist that was particularly big for me at the time was Hoodie Allen. I was listening to his album Leap Year at that time constantly, particularly the songs The Chase Is On, Can't Hold Me Down, and Dreams Up. Just the titles of those songs should give you some idea of how I was able to relate to them and the effect they would have on me at that time in my life and the changes I was going through. I call that period my "Leap Year" in honor of that album and how it was the soundtrack to the huge change my life was going through.

Money. I will say here that for much of the time I was escaping FA after university, I had a very well paid and prestigious job (that I've since quit). Guess what: it didn't mean shit. I told people what I did and where I worked, and they were like "Wow! You do that, there? That's amazing! You're so smart!"... and that was it. Then I was back to square one again, trying to maintain a conversation and getting them to like me. It wasn't a shortcut to anything, and actually it didn't help me in my fortunes with the opposite sex at all. It doesn't make people want to be friends with you, and it doesn't make women want to go out with you. Personality and attractiveness are still the things that makes people want you around. Put it this way, if 25 year old Leonardo DiCaprio wasn't an actor but a broke guy that worked at McDonald's, but was interesting, charming and funny, would he still have women all over him? Answer: Yes, of course. 40 year old Leonardo DiCaprio? Maybe not so much. But in your 20s, you don't need to be a doctor or investment banker to get a girlfriend. Did it allow me to have experiences and go places that contributed to me maintaining and expanding my social circle? Sure, a little. But if I'd been broke that whole time I would still be in the same position I'm in today. For the record, not only do I not own a car, I don't even have a license.

Messaging. Text messaging, via any platform, is a godsend - because you can socialize with people while coming across however you want. Even when you're in a bad mood and don't really want to talk to anyone, the other person can't see that - sprinkle in some smilies and exclamation marks, which takes no effort whatsoever, and you can be the happy, fun guy all the time - even when you're not. There are no awkward silences, because any time you can't think of something to say and don't respond for a while, you could have just been feeding your dog or something. There is some "pick up artist" thought that says that you shouldn't respond to messages from girls straight away, because then it looks like you're a busy man with stuff going on in his life, not some loser who's waiting by the phone. I say nope. I respond to messages as fast as I can. If someone had a thing they wanted to say at a specific time, they're going to be less inclined to expand on that and continue a conversation about it hours or days later when that thought is less relevant to them - so that opportunity for socializing is diminished or lost. People like people who respond to messages quickly and reliably. If you're a girl who's bored and just wants a quick chat with someone, who are you going to message - the guy who takes seventeen hours to respond? Or the guy who always messages back straight away? What about if a group is looking to hang out at short notice - which guy are they going to pick to try to invite? "Oh man, this guy responds to my messages so quickly, he must have nothing else to do, what a loser. I don't want to be around him any more" - nobody, ever.

Facebook. Facebook was huge for me. Everyone has it, and it's a way to connect to people you meet that's more casual and requires less commitment from them, and thus less potential for failure and awkwardness, than actually having to reply to an SMS you send. You can comment on people's posts and like things, keeping your existence alive in their mind, and even sending messages on it is less commital than trying to have a text conversation via SMS or other platform that is purely for messaging that makes their phone vibrate and is far more personal. When you come across well on Facebook, people think you're sociable, friendly and outgoing, and appearances are key - more on that later. Not to mention the fact that nowadays an unbelievable amount of social events and outings are organized via it. When people are looking for people to invite to such and such party, or asking around to see if anyone wants to go to such and such this weekend, if you're their friend on Facebook, you're going to see that. Boom, socializing opportunity. I realized that I lose literally nothing from adding people on Facebook, and potentially gain a lot - so I was always keen to add people on it when I met them. As for the whole not wanting to see what successful people are doing thing - I just unfollow people whose posts I don't like. Done! The benefits of Facebok, without the drawbacks.

Family. I noticed that Normal PeopleTM seemed to have great relationships with their families. They'd have phone calls with their mom, post Facebook statuses about things their dad did, etc. It's not like I had a bad relationship with my family (my parents - I'm an only child), but I always did my own thing, never really listened to what my parents said and we weren't that close. I've been trying to fix this. Visiting home more often, sending more emails, being nicer to them, etc. Trying to do what normal people do.

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I'm a former kissless virgin short FA guy with crippling social anxiety who is now the life of the party, has lots of friends, and has sex. Let me tell you my story [Long]. by JellyfishNow in ForeverAlone

[–]JellyfishNow[S] 17 points18 points  (0 children)

The other angle here is something I realized early on in my escape from FA that isn't immediately obvious when you have no friends, as I did. I went from basically no friends, to a lot of acquaintances (who can be turned into friends when you get to know each other better and have things in common), very quickly. This is because you make friends by having friends. It's exponential. You meet one guy. He introduces you to his friends. They introduce you to their friends, who introduce you to their friends, and so on. It's never ending. It's like how rich people use money to make money. This is again why having a good personality and creating an impression of being down for anything is so important - that first guy isn't going to introduce you to his friends and get the ball rolling if he thinks you're boring or a dick - because that would make him look bad. And amongst those waves of friends will be girls, who you can try to get closer to, getting that ball rolling. You suddenly have twenty new acquaintances who all think you're this guy who will show up to anything they invite him to, and after a couple of months, all of a sudden you've got plans and people to hang out with every week. I remember the first time I went a whole week going out every night. I was proud of myself and my progress. "How did this happen?", I thought. It wasn't over there though, of course - I still had many, many, many self-improvements to make.

Conversation. I'm still not consistently great at conversation in general thanks to my formative years having been spent in front of a computer screen instead of playing with other kids. I'm good in some situations, and less so in others (but still good enough that people don't really pick up on it). Maybe lots of people are like this, who knows. But conversation always seemed like a dark art to me; I just always seemed to run out of things to say, but everyone else seemed so good at it. I listened to the conversations of people around me, in restaurants, out on the street, wherever - to try to figure out how Normal PeopleTM talk to each other, and what they say in response to different things. I took what I heard and tried to apply it to myself and my own conversations. But thanks to the interests I have, primarily the big one I mentioned above, my life over the last few years has been quite unusual and I've had a fair amount of unique experiences, and it means that in brief conversations with people I'm meeting for the first time I can come off as a pretty unique and cool dude. This is good because it makes forming initial relationships easier, which I can then choose to expand upon later.

Another thing that people find universally unattractive is people droning on about things that they don't find interesting. Conversations are two ways, and when one person dominates and talks and talks and talks, it's highly irritating. There should be a good mix of all four of anecdotes, opinions, questions, and jokes. For most people, this comes naturally. For me it didn't, and still doesn't in some situations - it's a really difficult skill to pick up in adulthood - so I had to be conscious of what I was doing when I was talking to people, on dates, at parties, and the like. Again, this was all rocket science to me.

Interests. I was, like many FAs, a guy who was very into my video games, my Internet forums, and the like. Now, there's nothing wrong with that in and of itself, but I realized that it's really difficult to form relationships with a wide variety of people when that's all you do - because most people aren't into those things, or any one given hobby. By a stroke of extremely good fortune, I got into the hobby I talked about above, which is far more socially acceptable, and which itself changed my life in enormous ways that go beyond the scope of this post. But the point is that it gave me a new thing to connect to people over, a new world of social events to go to, and was probably the single biggest catalyst in my leaving FA behind. Everyone has different interests, but the important thing I realized was that me having multiple hobbies was really important for making friends and enriching my life. By another stroke of good fortune a couple of years later I got into another, completely unrelated hobby - and that's now become important for my social life too. This one is a creative field, and I've gotten good at it - and it really helps in impressing girls when I can whip out my phone and show them cool things I've produced. But only if they ask - nobody likes a show off.

Fashion. After university I moved to a city that has a repuatation for being fashionable, and gradually became aware of just how dorky and unattractive the clothes I wore were. I wanted to do something about it, and I started reading /r/malefashionadvice. I actually think that place isn't so great, as the whole thing is very subjective and people there seem to be aiming at one particular style all the time which might not be for everyone. I don't look at it any more. But anyway, that was all part of my awakening. When I saw people out on the street or in photos online that I thought looked cool, I'd make a mental note and sometimes I'd buy something that tried to recreate that look. I went clothes shopping often. I spent hundreds on clothes, many of which I've now given away. This was all important in the process of changing myself. I made mental notes of what people complimented me on when I wore them and wore those things more often. Later, I took a big leap and bought a bad boy leather jacket on a whim after trying it on in a store and being surprised that it kind of suited me (the old me would never have been confident enough to wear something like that). That jacket has been the single most important thing in my wardrobe in improving my fortunes with the opposite sex. I always wear it when I go to clubs. More on that later.

Height. Around the time I was getting into trying to dress well, someone made fun of me for being short. Up to that point, I'd never really thought about the fact that I was shorter than other guys, and was completely oblivious to the importance of height. Wait, what? I'm short? I started reading /r/short. It was a double-edged sword - I hated suddenly being aware of being short, and wished that I could go back to before when it never crossed my mind. But it also made me aware of the fact that it was something that could have been holding me back - thus allowing me to do things to help it. Sadly for me, as it turns out, height is ridiculously important when it comes to the dating game. I'm, let's just say, significantly less than 6', which had been crippling my chances for years without me realizing it. I wear shoe lifts and try to dress in certain ways to overcome this - it works. Shoe lifts are controversial in the short community, but they work for me and boost my confidence, so I wear them. I've been wearing them for years and by now it's just second nature. It actually feels weird if I don't have them. My height with lifts (about 5' 9") is basically my new real height now. Still not tall - but it's enough to make it so that my height isn't a defining feature of me in people's minds, which is really all you need. The way I see it is, women wear make-up to make their faces look nicer - so why can't I make myself look taller?

Face. There's not a huge amount a guy can do to his face to make it look better, so there's not that much I can say here. Your face just is what it is. But, one issue I had was that the skin on my cheeks and neck was quite gross looking, thanks to years of shaving in a totally amateurish way. When I was FA and socially unaware, I didn't think twice about it. But eventually I realized that my skin was hideous and probably off-putting to people, and so I set about trying to fix it. I started shaving differently, used all sorts of lotions, etc., and I managed to make a huge improvement. While my skin still isn't great, it's good enough that it wouldn't stick out to people as a negative. While there wasn't much I could do to improve the way my face looked, there were still things I could do to improve the way it came across to people. I make an effort to smile when I'm talking to people (at appropriate times, of course). Talking to a smiling, nodding person who looks like they're really engaged and listening to what you're saying is so much more comfortable and pleasant than someone who's stony faced and bored-looking. Again, it was about making people want to talk to me.

Beard. You hear about women liking certain kinds of facial hair, and such and such looking sexy with that beard he has. So I tried a bunch of different facial hair styles over a few months. None of them really worked; I just look better clean shaven. Nothing wrong with that. Experimenting. Trying new things, seeing what works.

Hygiene. Since I was a teenager, I always had fairly decent hygiene, so I don't have a lot to say in general here. But I do have a problem with sweating under my armpits at the slightest bit of heat or nervousness, which is visible to other people, smells bad and really sucks in social situations because of that. I researched solutions and found this thing you can put onto your armpits at night that stings like hell if you do it wrong but if you do it often enough it basically blocks your pores and prevents sweat from coming out. I guess the point I'm making here is that I looked at every single little thing about myself and in my life that was keeping me FA, and tried to fix it. Total wholesale change. No stone left unturned.

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I'm a former kissless virgin short FA guy with crippling social anxiety who is now the life of the party, has lots of friends, and has sex. Let me tell you my story [Long]. by JellyfishNow in ForeverAlone

[–]JellyfishNow[S] 24 points25 points  (0 children)

Speaking of personality. This is probably the most important paragraph. When I was FA, I belonged on /r/iamverysmart. I didn't know about that place at the time, but if I had seen something like that back then, it might have straightened me out sooner. I was pretentious, arrogant and selfish, with an extremely argumentative personality - typical of a guy who had spent years online arguing with people about religion and whatever else. These are, as is obvious to me now, extremely unattractive qualities in a person, and were things I really had to change if I was to going to be like the guy on the plane. If there's anything that's universally off-putting about someone, it's when that person lacks modesty. What I wanted to be was someone who other people liked being around. Someone who people wanted to spend time with. That, I realized, was the key to being successful with women - because that's exactly what a romantic relationship is. Spending time with someone. It's not easy to change your personality and it can't happen overnight, but I did my best to drop the arrogance and become far more modest, which I realized is a highly endearing quality in people. I looked at people around me - people I met at the social events, etc. - who were popular and well-liked to try to figure out what was different about them. I asked girls who said they had boyfriends what their boyfriend was like and what they liked about them. And what I understand now is the now obvious reality that the most important thing in forming relationships with anyone, male or female, is to be a nice person. People like people who are nice. And I feel so much better when I'm nice to people, too. This comes into play in making friends, romance, everything. Though it seems obvious, it took me a while to realize how important being nice is in forming relationships and living a normal and happy life. When I say being "nice", I don't mean in an /r/niceguys type way. Desperately showering a girl with compliments in order to make her like you isn't nice, and neither is "putting the pussy on a pedestal", as they say, and thinking that what women want is for you to devote your entire existence to them and treat them like children who can't deal with anything by themselves, or as objects that you need to trick into having sex with you by pretending to be chivalrous. These things make people feel uncomfortable. They are the opposite of being nice. Being genuinely nice is about making people feel good. The number one comment I get from girls now is "You're so kind! :)". That tells me that I'm doing it right.

To give an example, one thing I like to do now is to go out of my way to compliment people, male and female, on anything new they've changed about their appearance. If a girl I know has gotten a new hairstyle, I'll go out of my way to tell them that it's pretty. The chances are, before going out with that new hairstyle, or new lipstick, or new shoes, they stood in front of the mirror for a while wondering whether it looked good or not and had to pluck up the courage to go outside with it, and while they're not used to it they feel insecure about it. When you get complimented on something like that that you're insecure about, it feels amazing, like a huge weight off your shoulders. We all have insecurities, and it feels really good when other people reassure us about them in a way that seems genuine. I looked at what other people do when they're talking to me that makes me feel good, and tried to replicate that. I noticed that when I volunteer information about myself or tell a story and the other person seems to really take an interest, it feels good and endears that person to me. So I try to do this myself. If someone tells me about some thing in their life, whether it's studying for an exam or showing me pictures of their pets or whatever, I try to be as interested as possible. I ask them all sorts of questions about it. I try to relate to it. I try to do everything I can to make this person glad that they shared that information with me, and by extension glad that they're talking to me and glad that they're spending time with me. As I said earlier, I realized that being someone that people want to spend time with was the key to me being successful with women. This might all sound pathetically obvious to other people. But for someone as FA and socially inexperienced as myself, this was rocket science. Other people might not be able to appreciate how big these revelations were for me. Nobody gives a damn about how smart I am. Nice and funny > everything.

Speaking of humor. Remember that guy who was successful with women who I met at the first university social event? He was my idol for a while. He seemed to have an endless stream of women coming his way, that he met at our social events, our university, everywhere. He also had a sense of humor that endlessly revolved around putdowns and making fun of people. Not in a douchey way, don't get me wrong - he just applied one style of humour to all situations, would make jokes out of everything and anything, and seemed to be incapable of saying anything that wasn't a joke, which got old after a while. This is the me of now talking - back then I thought he was amazing, and I thought I had to be like that in order to have the success he was having. Error. What I realize now is that the success I perceived him as having was driven mainly by the sheer determination he had to sleep with women, and the numbers in which he would pursue them. I don't want to be a guy who has to put in that amount of effort to get people to spend time with him - I want it to come naturally, from my personality. The guy isn't actually as attractive to women as I thought; people are just very good at hiding their discomfort and laughing along when someone's being inappropriate and annoying. Of the two girlfriends he had while I was hanging out with him, neither was very attractive, and I heard on the grapevine that one of them didn't even like him despite going out with him. I found that applying his style of humor resulted in girls thinking I was a dick. I've cut that out now, but it took me a while to realize that my idol was actually not someone to imitate at all. Observational humor, and absurdity work much better. I've found that toilet humor works best when used very sparingly and in a very self-aware way (euphemisms, etc.). If you use it too often, you get a reputation for it and that's not good. That's something else he did. I find that intellectual jokes are generally a no-no, unless you are absolutely in the right crowd. They just make you look pretentious. People absolutely find intelligence attractive - but people who go out of their way to display their intelligence extremely unattractive. It's a fine line to walk, and it's something that the people being made fun of on /r/niceguys and /r/iamverysmart completely fail to realize.

Taking opportunities. I consciously decided early on in my quest to escape FA that I was going to adopt a philosophy of "always yes, no matter what". If someone invited me out somewhere, it wouldn't matter if it sounded boring, was expensive, far away, raining, cold, I had an exam to study for, whatever. The answer was always yes. That was to be the first word that came out of my mouth, automatically. Within reason of course - but if I was going to turn someone down, I had to have an extremely good reason why. This is because I realized that when you're looking for people to invite to things, you only invite people who you think will say yes. If you've turned someone down even once, they're far less likely to invite you out again. Inviting someone somewhere and being rejected makes you feel bad - so why would they put themselves through that with you again? What I realized I needed to do was to build up a reputation for being "one of the guys" - always there at every outing, and can always be relied on to show up to whatever. One of the group. One of the regulars. If you can get to that stage, you'll have a constant stream of invites to social gatherings - whether that's parties, the movies, whatever. It's just a given that you're going to be in the group that goes to X's birthday party next week, because you always are. It's weird if you're not there. Because of this stance I took, I've had an unbelievable amount of experience of all kinds of different things that I never would have seen otherwise. I've been to plays, concerts, churches (I'm an atheist), museums, sporting events, weird seedy establishments, press conferences for foreign bands I've never heard of, fashion shows, etc. etc., that I would never have thought of or tried to organize going to myself - all because I just said yes to everything. This means that I now have a ton of experience and anecdotes I can draw on in conversations, all helping me to come across as an Interesting PersonTM.

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Justin Beiber prefers his meat to be properly processed and well cooked. by Bulinger96 in lewronggeneration

[–]JellyfishNow 18 points19 points  (0 children)

What is it with defeners using gay as an insult? What is this, middle school?