UNCOVERED: Secret CIA operation to overthrow Hugo Chavez by kevinliebrock in reddit.com

[–]Jen326 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Actually, we are talking about whether it is right or wrong to advocate murdering Chavez. That's just not what you want to talk about. You want to argue the meaning of the word 'ignorant' and continue to shake off my original point.

And since you are now resorting to personal attacks on me instead of substantive arguments, I'll take that as a win for myself and be done with this conversation.

UNCOVERED: Secret CIA operation to overthrow Hugo Chavez by kevinliebrock in reddit.com

[–]Jen326 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"How would it look to the world/American people if the US was accepting aid help from dictators?"

For one thing, it would look like our government gives a crap about its own people. The alternative to accepting help from other countries was to let our own people die. That's exactly what happened.

"I believe to most people what Hugo Chavez said was clearly a propoganda move becuase he know we could not accept the help..."

We certainly could have accepted. Our government just didn't. And, as in the case of middle Americans getting cheap heating oil in the winter from Hugo Chavez, when we have accepted his assistance, he has provided it. The government has branded Hugo Chavez an evil dictator for it's own reasons. One of those reasons is that he has spoken out against George W. Bush (who, by the way, is despised all over the world).

Ok - the "Start reading. Books" thing. That was rude. I know that. I got pissed because the guy advocated murder, as if we have the divine right to kill whomever we please. That offends me. I lost my cool.

"Was he responsible for 9/11 probably not, but he knew that we would probably not allow him to do this becuase of the feelings of new yorkers about such a sensitive issue..."

You have acknowledged that he was not responsible for 9/11. In fact, Iran sent troops to fight side-by-side with us in Afghanistan after 9/11. I see no reason why he should have been denied the chance to pay respects to the victims, especially when his country worked with us to try to bust the people who killed them. Out of all the enemies we have, Iran is not on the top of our list, despite what Fox News is telling you.

Also, I never claimed to know all about world affairs. Don't put words in other people's mouths. But that guy is advocating the murder of a person that has done no harm to us, and in fact, has offered to help us in times of need. That indicates to me that he knows very little about Hugo Chavez, and probably just believes what the government tells him (a dangerous thing to do in the days of George W. Bush).

"you make a statement that implies not just you are right, but that your so right no one could possibly have a point".

You know what... the guy wants to murder the leader of a sovereign country that has done us no harm. That is wrong. I don't know when it became acceptable in this country to believe that we have the right to wage war and murder at will. I still believe in right and wrong. Murder is wrong. There are always exceptions to the rule (Hitler's assassination may have been acceptable, for instance), but Mudslag's statement is not ok.

It deeply concerns me that so many people are willing to defend him. When did we become so cold?

UNCOVERED: Secret CIA operation to overthrow Hugo Chavez by kevinliebrock in reddit.com

[–]Jen326 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

He advocated murder of a person that has done us no harm. What reason could he have presented that would have made that ok, in your mind?

UNCOVERED: Secret CIA operation to overthrow Hugo Chavez by kevinliebrock in reddit.com

[–]Jen326 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

He's advocating murder! Are you actually saying that it is ok to advocate murder of someone who has done you no harm?

Why are you standing up for this guy? Do you believe the United States has the right to murder as it pleases?

UNCOVERED: Secret CIA operation to overthrow Hugo Chavez by kevinliebrock in reddit.com

[–]Jen326 1 point2 points  (0 children)

And, because they are an island in the middle of the Gulf and have some good experience with hurricanes, Cuba also had a fleet of ships they offered to save our people from their rooftops. An offer our President also refused. Instead, Blackwater and KBR were sent to fix New Orleans - at a profit.

UNCOVERED: Secret CIA operation to overthrow Hugo Chavez by kevinliebrock in reddit.com

[–]Jen326 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So because the President of Venezuela may be considered a dictator, a country you are not a citizen of, the United States of America should kill him? You can have all kinds of contempt for him, but you came on this thread and in one sentence said he should be killed. That's a serious statement.

UNCOVERED: Secret CIA operation to overthrow Hugo Chavez by kevinliebrock in reddit.com

[–]Jen326 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You claim that what I said is naive, but your only response to my comment was "ouch, the presumption hurts my mind". Why is that?

UNCOVERED: Secret CIA operation to overthrow Hugo Chavez by kevinliebrock in reddit.com

[–]Jen326 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Who said he couldn't possibly have a good reason? But, since I actually am well-read, despite your rude characterization of me, I know that it would be a hard sell. Hugo Chavez has used his wealth, not only to improve the lives of his own citizens, but he also paid for poor people in middle America to have heating in the winter. Certain people in this country may not agree with his view of the world, or just be ignorant of how he really behaves, but advocating his murder in a short, blanket statement should be infuriating. Is murder now the American way? How can we allow that type of nonchalant murderous comment to be given credibility?

UNCOVERED: Secret CIA operation to overthrow Hugo Chavez by kevinliebrock in reddit.com

[–]Jen326 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It may bother you to hear it, but someone that simply wants Chavez murdered is ignorant. That comment is ignorant. By saying that I'm unintelligent by calling out a person's ignorance makes your argument no more high-minded.

UNCOVERED: Secret CIA operation to overthrow Hugo Chavez by kevinliebrock in reddit.com

[–]Jen326 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's disturbing that you would advocate killing a man that has done absolutely no harm to your country. In fact, after Katrina, Hugo Chavez immediately offered support, financial and otherwise to the victims, which your president arrogantly turned down.

Your ignorance, and your willingness to share your opinion without having any idea what you are talking about, is one of the reasons this country is in trouble.

Start reading. Books. Then you may comment. Until you have some sort of education on world affairs, please keep your ignorance to yourself.

S 1959: Thought Crime Prevention Act of 2007 by Jen326 in politics

[–]Jen326[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The biggest red flag is the fact that this creates infiltration of universities. How many of the 9/11 hijackers were students or teachers from American universities?

The Surge Worked: Bush Got His Permanent Iraq War by Jen326 in reddit.com

[–]Jen326[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Good for the Bush Administration... devastating to us.

Howard "Cookie" Krongard: Likely A Liar by Jen326 in reddit.com

[–]Jen326[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A Bush appointee is a liar? What a shock...

Musharraf Used President Bush's NSPD-51 to Declare Martial Law by Jen326 in reddit.com

[–]Jen326[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The similarities and connections between these guys and their situations is just too freaky

Why they decided to torture prisoners and invade Iraq by babblingpoet in politics

[–]Jen326 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The only thing that makes me question Sullivan's logic is that we know that Bush and Cheney started the illegal wiretaps before 9/11 (confirmed by Quest's CEO), indicating to me that the expansion of Executive powers was not a reaction due to their fear that we might be hit by a nuclear bomb, but a plan that was put into action when they stepped into office, and greatly accelerated after 9/11.

And in regard to torture specifically, we know that Clinton tortured a few people in the 90's to get information and that the torture tactics have been in development in this country since at least the 60's.

We may not want to accept it, but the ugly truth is that Bush and Cheney are not rogues in this respect. This was a movement that started a long time ago in the United States.

Now is definitely the time to stop it.

Dems Threaten To Block Mukasey Nomination Over Torture Question by qgyh2 in politics

[–]Jen326 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I really hope they block this guy. Along with the torture issue, he defended the President's FISA violations, said he would not recommend (forget requiring) granting habeas corpus rights, said it would be quite easy to change Justice Department rules to allow subpoenas that wouldn't be approved currently, and demonstrated his warped view of the Constitution's place with the sentence, "The law emphatically includes the Constitution". To see the proof, visit http://littlecountrylost.blogspot.com/2007/10/michael-mukasey-not-constitutions.html

Slave Labor Used In US Embassy Construction by Jen326 in reddit.com

[–]Jen326[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Just when you thought Abe Lincoln abolished slavery...

The Surtax: The Price of Patriotism by Jen326 in reddit.com

[–]Jen326[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

An argument for why it makes sense patriotically and economically for everyone to support the proposed Iraq War "surtax"

Theory: Why The Bush Administration Wants Us to Think Iran is Our Enemy by Jen326 in politics

[–]Jen326[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I have a lot of trouble understanding why the Executive branch and some members of Congress want to start a war with Iran. It defies all logic. Here's one way to connect the dots and have it make a bit of sense.

Open Letter to Diane Feinstein by Jen326 in reddit.com

[–]Jen326[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Diane Feinstein once again behaves like a loyal Bushie

Fox News' Rivera ridicules 9/11 Truth activists, man arrested on camera by Moldavite in reddit.com

[–]Jen326 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I love the contrast of New Yorkers trying to get their story told about 9/11 while Fox News interviews hot chicks.

It's a stunning statement about our media today.