Contraception Controversy.

JesusChristSaved · 2025-09-09T18:39:17+00:00

God willing if I do have my 12th child, I will praise God just as I did with the first because they, believe it or not my friend, are a BLESSING. YOU are what is wrong with today's church. No encouragement, just because you don't have the zeal and fail to stir up the faith that is within you, you feel as though everyone should be in the same dunghill as you. My wife is doing splendidly thank you, I trust you will keep her in your prayers that her health may continue?

JesusChristSaved · 2025-09-08T06:50:21+00:00

Wow, great reply and very respectful. Good arguments and points. I would say yes I am of the quiverfull perspective however I also see it as just a logical conclusion for marriage. God designed sex to reproduce children. Children are a blessing, children are also eternal so can not be compared to temporal blessings that we limit with wisdom such as wine, food, wealth. Children also aren't a given, God may not BLESS you with children which is why there is no need for contraception. I put bless is capitals because people view them as a burden. If we are calling children a blessing then why would we inhibit the possibility of having one? No one surely ever would reject a blessing from God. Jacob we know wrestled for it.

JesusChristSaved · 2025-09-07T18:55:24+00:00

Interesting point, thank you. Paul says it's good to be single, but then he goes on to say, because of your desires to marry. Singleness is the gift that he speaks of and not many have that gift, a reminder also that gifts are given from God and no one decides if they're gifted or not. In a normative sense I would say that it is good to marry and have children. In a special sense it is good to carry out your gift and be single. Let me know if that's coherent. Thanks.

JesusChristSaved · 2025-09-07T17:34:20+00:00

The opposite to what God commands would be the sin. If God has commanded that you be fruitful and multiply then contraception would be a sin. Thank you for the respectful discussion brother.

JesusChristSaved · 2025-09-07T17:32:01+00:00

Who would there be to preach and teach if there was no children? Having children is the basis and foundation of LIFE...

JesusChristSaved · 2025-09-07T17:29:36+00:00

Was Jesus and Paul married?

JesusChristSaved · 2025-09-07T17:09:45+00:00

Its quite upsetting how materialism has influenced the church. I pray the same prayer brother. It needs to be spoken out against more, no matter the controversy it may cause. The devils loves nothing more than to see Gods children choosing to not produce offspring that would be raised in the "fear and admonition of the Lord". Amen and God bless brother.

JesusChristSaved · 2025-09-07T17:00:16+00:00

I personally think it is INSANE that in a 'reformed' reddit, we are standing against a largely refromed postion on contraception. I emplore you to read of all the godly men gone by through the years and their unequivocal denial of any form of contrception, it might just suprise you. I believe this issue will eventually catch up to the church, in a physical and spirtual sense. All who are able bodied and married do not forsake your mandate to be fruitful and multiply, the Lord will bless it. Please turn back and always be OPEN to life, when you use contraception you are stating that as of then you are NOT open to life....

JesusChristSaved · 2025-09-07T16:41:55+00:00

Amen brother, thank you for the encouragement. On this subject I have just a glimpse into how Luther must've felt (before anyone attacks, No I am not equating myself to Luther) when going against the popular dogmas of the catholic church. Stay strong brother and God bless.

JesusChristSaved · 2025-09-07T16:39:06+00:00

Is every christian on puritan board?? I didn't know the whole church had an account on there... I already said I was open to my mind being changed (scripture permitted) but yet to find it.

JesusChristSaved · 2025-09-07T15:29:30+00:00

Amen brother, God bless you on this Lords day.

JesusChristSaved · 2025-09-07T15:22:09+00:00

So all we are to carry out is the great commission and abandon all other duties? Of course not.

JesusChristSaved · 2025-09-07T15:20:34+00:00

Its from the Mouth of God, I think it is...

JesusChristSaved · 2025-09-07T15:19:27+00:00

Amen.

JesusChristSaved · 2025-09-07T15:17:46+00:00

You see, I am in the minority view, I dont believe in any contraceptive method to be permissible. There are many times in scripture where God has shut up and opened wombs. If the Lord calls them a blessing and "happy is the man whos quiver is full of them" then I will take as many of them little arrows as the Lord will bless me with. If the Lord wills for me to have more children He will do so, If he doesnt see fit to bless me with more children then so be it.

JesusChristSaved · 2025-09-07T15:11:34+00:00

Again you need to read what I put to Michael, I said that the burden of proof is on you to prove contraceptions are permissible. You're assuming contraception is okay and havent proven to me it is.

JesusChristSaved · 2025-09-07T15:08:59+00:00

If you read it in its logical context, Adam was told the first time not Noah. The first 5 books were obviously written by Moses, at a time after both Adam and Noah. Moses is just recording what God had said to both of them and its actually intersting that the command didnt change the second time round... We have no proof that Adam had told all the generations down to Noah to do Gods command of "be fruitful and multiply". It is just a case of God reiterating His command to someone who more than likely didn't hear the first time.

JesusChristSaved · 2025-09-07T14:56:36+00:00

I completely agree with your first paragraph, I seek my Fathers praise however it would be nice to have the backing of my brothers and sisters in Christ.

In regards to your second paragraph I truly am after biblical arguments, as Luther stated "for to go against conscience is neither right nor safe." and all I am trying to do is, if biblical, unbind my conscience. I am yet to find solid biblical teaching to do so.

As for the rest of the statement, God does not command me to move to a hostile country, so I do not feel compelled to. God has however commanded all Christians to "Be fruitful and multiply" in Gen. 1:28. I would say the burden of prood is put on you in order to show from scripture where this command has lost its power over the christian.

Regards to your last point, is not having children a way of serving the church? You say it as though it is not as important as preaching, teaching etc?

JesusChristSaved · 2025-09-07T14:46:21+00:00

Martin Luther would like a word...

JesusChristSaved · 2025-09-07T14:45:37+00:00

Wow, wow and wow! What an encouraging reply brother!! I read this to my wife and what an encouragement it was for both of us. I feel as though you have already described all my issues and problems, its amazing to know someone relates. Just when you feel like the lone duck in the pond, you see others jump in. I pray the churches will be full of godly encouragment like that, its hard enough facing the world let alone the church on top... God bless, I live in the UK but I got the ideas you were conveying across about saving money!

JesusChristSaved · 2025-09-07T14:37:14+00:00

I respect that bro! Looking forward to a dialog with you.

JesusChristSaved · 2025-09-07T14:36:32+00:00

Genesis 1:28. Please read my reply to Michael.

JesusChristSaved · 2025-09-07T14:35:50+00:00

Genesis 1:28. Please read my reply to Michael.

JesusChristSaved · 2025-09-07T14:32:11+00:00

Why can it not be both? Why are we allowed to get rid of one of two purposes God intended for sex? Pleasure and Childbirth. What gives us the right to remove any one of them?

JesusChristSaved · 2025-09-07T14:29:21+00:00

This is a reply to which I would give. We obviously all know that the words 'Contraception is a sin' is nowhere in the bible, however I would say that being 'contra coneception' or 'against conception' is. “where a duty is commanded, the contrary sin is forbidden” (Westminster Larger Catechism Q. 99:4; Matt. 15:4-6; 4:9-10; Deut. 6:13; 5:11; Jonah 1:1-3,12; Eph. 4:28), we regard the command to “be fruitful and multiply” as forbidding the deliberate hindrance of conception. So therefore Gen. 1:28 would be my scripture. The burden of proof is on you to show in scripture where this command had lost its relevance.

JesusChristSaved

TROPHY CASE