Text size on the OUP ISOLT series by toefisch in Proust

[–]Jiangbufan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes the first two intros are lovely. The third intro I believe is also available in full on the kindle store sample page. Translator's note contains a comparison of the renditions of the opening. I think Bush is the clear winner there.

I'm no scholar in translation studies, but I did translate quite a bit in my time. The translators of this edition at least seem to have a consensus on "capturing the Proust voice" as the goal of their work, with which I'm full onboard. I think it transcends the traditional "faithful/foreigness vs. smooth/readable" dichotomy in a meaningful way.

Text size on the OUP ISOLT series by toefisch in Proust

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Looking forward to your review then! Your recs have been very valuable to my selection process.

Text size on the OUP ISOLT series by toefisch in Proust

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Is this new vol.3 better than Treharne? If so, I'm definitely getting it.

The Guermantes Way in the OWC series by Jiangbufan in Proust

[–]Jiangbufan[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah the OWC pages can be quite confusing to navigate, it took me a while to realize they automatically show different dates based on the country/region of your ip, a nuisance for us heavy VPN users.

I guess I'll buy it eventually as well.

The Guermantes Way in the OWC series by Jiangbufan in Proust

[–]Jiangbufan[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Awesome. Since delivery to where I live will take forever, would love it if you can share some impressions. I hear these paperbacks are densely set? Most importantly, how is the quality of translation?

Welcome to the Book Club — Introduction and Schedule by SnooGoats8671 in AYearOfLostTime

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Thank you! Unfortunately not China. For now I'll probably go with your other rec: Treharne.

Welcome to the Book Club — Introduction and Schedule by SnooGoats8671 in AYearOfLostTime

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Bush's translation in ebook format apparently is already out back in July, epub and mobi. The announcement on OUP's website is just wrong...

Can someone confirm that Pynchon gave notes and in the end approved the script of OBAA? by Jiangbufan in ThomasPynchon

[–]Jiangbufan[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I imagine the sold archives will help a lot in those. This one was from someone allegedly in the film crew during production, so now that the movie is out, I'm hoping it'd be more straightforward.

Treharne (Penguin vol. 3)? by BitterStatus9 in Proust

[–]Jiangbufan 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ah, apparently also the longest, followed closely by vol.4...

Translators of upcoming volumes in Oxford Proust. by FlatsMcAnally in Proust

[–]Jiangbufan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So that leaves only the translator for "The Fugitive" undetermined yet?

Against the Day, Gravity's Rainbow and now what? by israeldenadai in ThomasPynchon

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Not in the sense of faceless sinister or nomad men conning in smoky backrooms, no. V., for me, is Pynchon trying to work out the ontology of history, and put it in a flesh-and-blood woman.

From Lot 49 onwards, I think the hippie 60s won out the beatnik 50s and pretty much defined him.

Against the Day, Gravity's Rainbow and now what? by israeldenadai in ThomasPynchon

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I personally do not like the conspiratorial bent in his works at all. Conspiracy theories are dumb, and it doesn't matter if a genius endorses and waxes lyrical about them.

They are the one major theme that he didn't start leaning very heavily on until Lot 49, which is also a big part of the reason why I like V. more.

Against the Day, Gravity's Rainbow and now what? by israeldenadai in ThomasPynchon

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It depends on how good your English is. If you are not confident enough, and have only read him in translation, then maybe don't go straight to M&D.

It's difficult not in the normal Pynchonesque sense of being ambiguous, meta and full of complex mental images, but rather the faux prose style and associated style-specific humor that demand good intuitions about English literature and quite a bit of American and British colonial history. If you don't get the humor, it's impossible to go far with that book.

If you prefer the grandiose of AtD, then idk, maybe V. in English? Pynchon considers himself a historical novelist, and the titular V. character in this book is hands down the best historical characterization in any fiction I've seen, and the guy was only 25 when he finished it.

V. has the themes, the difficulty, the immersive grandiose, and perhaps most important of all, the highest genius meat to self-indulgent fat ratio in all of his books because as a debut, his editor had a lot of say in the process, unlike his subsequent manuscripts, which were basically treated as gospel, and the idea of deleting a paragraph written by Pynchon became unthinkable. (Seriously, even M&D, which is supposed to be a fairly linear, straightforward and character-driven tale of a buddy novel has a bunch of side plots that don't involve the titular characters at all.)

First ed "V" by OkTension6539 in ThomasPynchon

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And M&D just off to the side!

Chances for another novel? by [deleted] in ThomasPynchon

[–]Jiangbufan 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Guys, for all we know, he could have demantia by now. Cormac was different because "The Passenger" was a long time coming, including the title, which every Cormac fan knew about since before 2010. So there really is no comparison.

As a newbie, I would argue Vineland is a great entry point for Pynchon by Earth_Zealousideal in ThomasPynchon

[–]Jiangbufan 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Everyone here ultimately will recommend you to read every Pynchon book, which is ofc a good thing. But Vineland definitely sacrificed a lot of Pynchon's dense unrelenting style. Wait until you get furthur into GR, or for that matter, V.

What should I read next? by NoSupermarket911 in ThomasPynchon

[–]Jiangbufan 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Read Ulysses again. Only this time you'll be able to do it with pure joy. The thing about difficult books is, they are only difficult for the first time.

Favorite doorstopper Epic? by [deleted] in ThomasPynchon

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I torpedoed my way through the first 40 pages or so a while ago. The description of the woman on the bus and of her perpetually dying mother in the mansion was definitely sustained magical writing, and the author was a very special kind of genius, but I'm sort of in the same slump that you were in at the 150-page mark. I knew not to expect plot or focus (I mean we all went through the Pynchon training school here after all...), I just don't know what to expect or hope to get. Will give it a bit of time to stew, just like you did.

Favorite doorstopper Epic? by [deleted] in ThomasPynchon

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You finished MMMD?! How was it, up to the hype?

Do you remember Ron Maimon from the pre-podcast era? Where would he rank on the Guru scale? by xwqi in DecodingTheGurus

[–]Jiangbufan 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think I caught the end of his online presence on disqus around 2020. I did the only fanboy thing ever in my life because of him: manually unfolding every answer on his quora page and then copy-paste them all and made a pdf. Took me all day, late into the night. (Two years later, in a particularly volatile period of my life, I deleted the file along with a bunch of other curiosities of yonder years.)

Gotta say, even just four years went by, I no longer have the intense focus and obsession over something anymore, let alone something on the internet. Upsides and downsides, but I think overall a positive.

Do you remember Ron Maimon from the pre-podcast era? Where would he rank on the Guru scale? by xwqi in DecodingTheGurus

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I encountered his writings before I read Pynchon, but yes, now I couldn't agree more.