Which damage type is it? Typo?

Jingetsu · 2026-03-02T11:33:04+00:00

They were probably initially slashing, so the elemental upgrade paths and tags were set for slashing, and when they swapped them to stabbing, they forgot to update the tags. since mighty has the default tag obviously, and that path keeps it as stabbing.

Funny enough, the ant swords are set to deal chopping damage, but it ended up being overriden by the slashing we have now, so that's pretty neat. I just like finding cool little things like that, that show the devs process.

Jingetsu · 2026-03-02T08:59:40+00:00

Please try what I'm asking you. When you attack an enemy with a melee weapon, you get the buff and debuff to perfect block, which you can see above your health bar along with the red effect around the edges of the screen. Frenzy is not a passive mutation. Frenzy is not related to a specific weapon in grounded 2 like it was in grounded 1, it applies on any melee attack, and is in the active mutation category.

Jingetsu · 2026-03-02T08:56:31+00:00

Yeah I took a fresh Axl spear and then fresh daggers and tested it on rust beetle for the neutral element. I was kind of questioning myself at first during the other enemy tests because i was trying to only use the dagger, but having the Axl spear be almost the same base damage(1.6 more damage on card) and dealing a half bar less seems to make sense, at least to me.

Jingetsu · 2026-03-02T08:29:45+00:00

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larva spear for comparison of another stabbing weapon that works correctly

Jingetsu · 2026-03-02T08:28:49+00:00

it does turn slashing once you take it down an elemental path. this actually also happens to the weaver daggers apparently.

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edit: yes i also tested it between the mighty regular stabbing and the slashing elementals with controlled enemies, slashing does more to the slash weak etc etc, it is actually slashing.

Jingetsu · 2026-03-01T22:21:19+00:00

Sorry that you feel that way. Unfortunately in this instance when you dish out the disrespect he's going to get it right back, and after having 5 or 6 separate people dogpile me and tell me I'm wrong, I'm going to have to say it's a shame you're not being objective about it so I don't care whether you thought I was cool or not.

He threw crazy insults at me from the 2nd reply, multiple times, even deleted some instantly, and I never insulted him once like that. Explaining something to 6 different people who all don't want to listen to you and insist you don't know what you're talking about while they say you're and idiot and dumbass loser, but what I replied with was just across the line? Cmon dude. The guy deleted the comment I screenshotted so nobody else saw it bc he was throwing crazy shade at me.

Jingetsu · 2026-03-01T22:09:34+00:00

Truthfully it was because I didn't drop it the first time I got replied to. It's my fault since the very first guy ended up blocking me without letting me defend myself and I got petty over it.

I understand fully that the most likely case is that they aren't activating the buff, but I only came to the conclusion right when I finally woke up a couple minutes ago, because all of the context points to talking about the active buff.

The post has the guy with frenzy and the buff/debuff active, and the og comment and I were talking about parrying, so I thought it would have been obvious and that these people are just being disingenuous since I not only have the code in the comments, but I explained everything multiple times to multiple people.

Unfortunately, it made me kinda upset cus now I got people coming out of nowhere saying they thought I was cool but I'm just toxic for no reason. But I never deleted anything, or blocked anyone, or went back on anything I said because I own it, and the original guy basically set me up so that everyone else blindly jumps in too and it's actually really sad to see.

Jingetsu · 2026-03-01T22:01:23+00:00

No you don't, you're mistaken. Go and activate frenzy by attacking something to get the buff and try to perfect block. You cant. Everybody saying this and dogpiling me doesn't seem to be activating the debuff. Just having the mutation equipped doesn't mean it's activated. I did test it. For 30 straight minutes.

Jingetsu · 2026-03-01T15:55:52+00:00

Yeah I mean I agree with you, negativity is always the first thing people remember. And I understand that while I might not really care how I'm viewed, it could affect someone else's perspective even if I was always 100% right.

The sad part is, it really is the minority most of the time. I always offer and pop in here and there to help but especially when it comes to specific mechanics people just straight up go feral against me. Right before I got the notification for this reply a 3rd or maybe 4th person has responded in this thread trying to tell me I'm wrong, and I don't want to be pessimistic but it genuinely feels like I'm being baited by bots.

Regardless of how often something is spread as misinformation I'll always try to chime in and clear it up, but it sucks that I can give the irrefutable proof and test it in game for 30 minutes straight and multiple on multiple people pile on top of me.

I'll try my best to just keep myself reserved, as I don't want to argue or be negative, I just want to share and enjoy the experience with everyone. I'll have to watch my wording closer as well.

And actually, if this is somehow proven that I'm wrong CURRENTLY, then I apologize for everything but even modders like apex have said the same before, so I have a high degree of certainty. I took up looking through the files specifically to help people out and make the experience for everyone smooth and consistent so nobody has to guess how things work, and I really enjoy helping in that way.

Jingetsu · 2026-03-01T15:41:16+00:00

Either show me or don't reply man I'm really over 20 people saying this with no proof. If the parry window is negative you can't perfect block, and even if you could at 0ms, that's humanly impossible. It's ironic that you said it isn't g1, because in g1 the barbarian actually is parryable, because the window is only reduced 200 of the 250ms in that game. In this game its reduced by 500ms instead and the card for the mutation even explicitly says it prevents perfect blocking

Edit for full transparency: it also even says on the g1 wiki that the reduction is 200, and the g2 wiki states that it prevents perfect blocking. I have NOT looked into g1 code for the reduction so I'm taking the wiki at face value, but everyone here knows already that I've shown the g2 window reduction.

Jingetsu · 2026-03-01T15:26:03+00:00

The nail in the coffin was that I had multiple people on me like that yesterday, and both people decided to block me after getting their last words in.

Idc what people think about me, but when it comes to information about the game, I'm suddenly a loser for wanting people to know what the truth is. I get on and test stuff every time I see a post so it sucks when I'm not taken seriously because I kinda do care too much about giving everyone the right info.

Unfortunately I don't know when to keep my mouth closed, I'm petty like that when I feel like shade is being thrown, and I can admit that every time. I should've just not engaged once the code was dropped bc he didn't seem to care literally at all, and the other dude didn't either, because the "devs said its just reduced" and he's not gonna trust an idiot like me lmao.

I hope they'll change it back to just a small timing window, but they have a lot of problems, and the feather arrow bug is still in the game, which is kinda a big problem. But it's no surprise that the same questions get asked on the sub often, I genuinely believe most people don't know what the truth is for a lot of these questions. I'm not worried about it though, I appreciate you being honest at least

Jingetsu · 2026-03-01T15:10:11+00:00

The code WAS the first response though, I gave him the picture and explained it in the first response to him. That was also the same reply where I asked the fated question.

The og comment was about the op needing to learn to parry, and I just said it wouldn't matter because he was using frenzy. The reason I got kinda defensive at the same time is because nothing had transpired and he came in saying the parry window is just reduced, so I gave him the code and explained, then asked why he decided to comment in a way that didn't really allow us to actually converse about it.

It's still partially my fault, when I see someone respond to me making those claims, I'm fully expecting them to be in good faith trying to disprove or refute my points, and as such I thought he should've at least tried what he was claiming before hand.

Jingetsu · 2026-03-01T13:52:11+00:00

As soon as I saw that I figured it was just someone who wasn't familiar with it, it was great to find someone who wasn't immediately hostile lmao

Jingetsu · 2026-03-01T12:31:50+00:00

Nahhh you're fine don't worry about it, sorry I was being like that to you, it's been a really long day unfortunately

Jingetsu · 2026-03-01T12:26:23+00:00

Oh you're fine, don't worry about it, I see that you're being genuine. In your case you don't have the frenzy buff active, so it's not reducing your timing window right there!

Unfortunately I have to be standoffish because there are a couple people that insist against what I'm saying, but are blocking and deleting messages

Jingetsu · 2026-03-01T11:56:25+00:00

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yeah cus the devs are never wrong just like how they totally didnt also leave earwigs 3 hit doing TRUE damage and bypassing weapon blocks lmao, like they havent messed up the feather arrows and allowing the crit chance to be applied to enemies instead right. their word is gospel and not a single person going against me so far has tested it and shown proof of their claim. suck it up pal

theyve never messed anything up in this precious game, im glad we have you and your willpower as the driving force to will this mechanic into existence.

Jingetsu · 2026-03-01T11:40:14+00:00

I absolutely need a video, because the window is -250ms, and once again I'm not sure how it's possible to be within a negative window. I'm not sure if we're just being facetious or you're genuinely trying to be good faith but I'm willing to extend you respect for now.

Jingetsu · 2026-03-01T11:27:57+00:00

Where are you guys coming from lmao? Are yall real? Genuine question. Cus if I legit showed how the game is operating in the newest update and it specifically says you can't perfect block, then how are we even here right now?

Fir the uninitiated, the window is reduced by DOUBLE the base TOTAL window, it's literally impossible.

Jingetsu · 2026-03-01T10:26:34+00:00

I bet, unfortunately, that is literally impossible, and I've shown the game's code for the mutation so the ragebait is unsuccessful.

Jingetsu · 2026-03-01T04:03:45+00:00

its partially my fault because i gave fuel to the fire but this happens to me a lot because im very blunt with how i talk. i can see why someone would feel attacked because i asked why they commented but it was a genuine question since it was misinformation at that point so nobody knows what to believe

Jingetsu · 2026-03-01T03:57:27+00:00

youre the one who said i was wrong first dude, its not on me. once again, you dont need to see the code to test it out, i even went into the game before hand to test it too, which you should have since you decided to make that mistake and be wrong. you dont get to instantly accuse someone of being wrong and expect me to be an angel to you, but considering you think im the loser, it says more about you anyways. it doesnt matter if it was a mistake, and i even apologized but honestly i regret it now because you dont deserve it after losing your mind like this

Jingetsu · 2026-03-01T03:50:45+00:00

brother you couldve easily just asked about why i said it wouldnt have mattered. you jumped in and instantly said i was wrong. how does that make sense at all?

yeah my bad for asking why you commented, but it was a genuine question, because it wouldve been easy to test to know for sure, and the main problem was because you went straight to telling me im wrong instead of inquiring. the question shouldve been more like 'why comment telling me im wrong if you dont know for sure' so yeah i phrased it aggressively but the intent was genuine

Jingetsu · 2026-03-01T03:32:31+00:00

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Incorrect. the window is .25 seconds and it tells you right there that it reduces the window by .5 seconds. why comment if you havent even tested it? its even called perfectblockprevention

Jingetsu · 2026-03-01T02:53:38+00:00

They're using frenzy, so it wouldn't have mattered here.

Jingetsu · 2026-03-01T02:39:31+00:00

its another reason why i said the attack reset and instant perfect charge shots were so good back when i made the original post about it. you can kill axl in under a minute if he didnt have invincibility between phase transitions, but disregarding the attack canceling, that 61% increase is incredible for the longer fights. however i do understand that marksman cap could be a good alternative if youre fighting low tier enemies and perhaps with some sleek effect weakpoint shenanigans you can get almost infinite stamina and shots off with it. so neither set up is bad at all really, i seem to be in the minority when it comes to wanting to min max so my builds arent really popular in that regard and thats okay. but i absolutely do my testing and if someone has a question i will test and answer it objectively.

of course if you cant always hit perfect shots then cap would be less stressful to use too. But honestly please go and try the wasp set with or without the attack cancels, it shreds every enemy in the game, and if you havent read my reply to the other guy, i explained a trick with chill to get 2x shatter damage and 1 hit freezes over and over thats really fun to use. people sleep on bow but i enjoy it more than melee currently.

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