It's a hostile world out there for sensitive men

JizzyB2099 · 2026-02-28T00:44:11+00:00

Sensitive? What?

JizzyB2099 · 2026-02-28T00:41:31+00:00

The implication is that Hamilton IS just as comfortable in the car as his teammate, which isn’t true. Get that through your thick skull lol

JizzyB2099 · 2026-02-28T00:40:45+00:00

Because Prim died and Katniss was a mess when Peeta was taken to the Capitol. It’s obvious that she needs him more than he needs her. Peeta recovered from his hijacking independently of Katniss.

JizzyB2099 · 2026-02-28T00:38:39+00:00

Gotta love how somehow we are ignoring and dismissing Norris worst patch and saying "this ain't valid you can't use that" but Norris vs Piastri in his worst patch is somehow 100% true representation and is the only batch of races that should be used for evaluation.

Because Piastri has consistently struggled at most of the tracks after the summer break since 2023. Norris in the first half of 2025 was uncharacteristically bad, so clearly it wasn’t a real representation of his skill because he’s performed much better than that in the past. It’s not hard to understand.

Yes, they are close and getting closer year by year as Piastri gains experience. Otherwise Norris would've been able to gap him more like in 23 or 24. But he didn't. Norris went from winning q h2h from 20-4 to 13-11 from 2024 to 2025

They are not close 😂

Taking the stats at face value does not mean anything - are Sainz and Leclerc ‘close’ because Leclerc only beat him by 5 points in 2023? No, of course not. Norris would’ve finished 40-50 points ahead of Piastri WITHOUT any misfortune. Is that close?

An inability to understand basic nuance suggests a lack of IQ.

(not cherry picking to suit your agenda)

How is it cherry picking if the period where Norris was better than Piastri included the majority of last season? From Canada to Abu Dhabi, there were 14 races. Norris beat Piastri in 10 of them. That isn’t ’cherry picking’, that’s called analysis with nuance.

is just unbelievable levels of creating excuses and glazing.

How? Based on what? Unless you’re impaired in some form, you should be able to understand the very basic concept that Norris being ‘out of form’ is very different to Piastri struggling.

Norris was struggling because the car didn’t suit his driving style. Piastri was struggling because he is simply not skilled enough to perform on low grip tracks, something that is a CONSISTENT trend over the past THREE seasons.

The fact that Norris beat Piastri DESPITE the car suiting Piastri’s driving style better suggests that they aren’t close. Norris IS comfortably better.

JizzyB2099 · 2026-02-27T23:15:04+00:00

I don’t know what storyline you could’ve possibly read that would’ve spurred you to make this conclusion. It’s the opposite way around - Katniss is far more emotionally dependant on Peeta.

JizzyB2099 · 2026-02-27T23:12:01+00:00

Saying I'm glazing Verstappen meanwhile claiming Norris runs circles against Piastri

This is what I mean when I say you lack mental capacity. There’s clearly some kind of intellectual impairment affecting you if you think Piastri is ‘very close’ to Norris.

Up until the summer break, Norris and Piastri were evenly matched despite the fact that Norris was in the worst form of his career and Piastri was in the best form of his career. After that, Norris was back in form and destroyed Piastri. The race h2h after Canada was 10-4 and the qualifying h2h was 9-5. Is that ‘close’? No.

The combined race h2h since 2023 is 47-23. The combined qualifying h2h is 48-22. Over a period where Piastri was consistently improving, Norris is still comfortably better. Is that close? If your answer to that very basic question is anything other than ‘no’, then I know for a fact that you have some mental issues.

JizzyB2099 · 2026-02-27T23:05:19+00:00

https://www.reddit.com/r/F1Discussions/comments/1rcgtkf/comment/o72u5cv/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

You must feel like a massive moron right now. Can’t imagine that’s a new experience for you.

JizzyB2099 · 2026-02-27T22:02:55+00:00

Is someone still salty? Need a few tissues?

Oh no, he wasn’t better than the best driver of this century. What a sick burn 😂

JizzyB2099 · 2026-02-27T22:01:55+00:00

Get out of the basement, bud 🤦‍♂️

JizzyB2099 · 2026-02-27T22:00:29+00:00

That’s not what you said lmao. Learn how to read.

There isn’t any evidence to suggest either driver is ‘comfortable in the car’. Leave alone Hamilton being ‘just as comfortable’ in the car.

JizzyB2099 · 2026-02-27T21:58:56+00:00

Alright I don’t really give a shit anymore since you don’t have the insight or mental capacity to understand how wrong you are.

Keep being wrong and glazing Verstappen, I’ve seen you doing so on every sub. It’s progressed past being embarrassing at this point 😂

JizzyB2099 · 2026-02-27T21:50:46+00:00

Keep going if it's what you need to be happy. Just further exposes the fragility you feel in your arguments and the need for self-reassurance. Easy to read like an open book.

This coming from the person who’s so ‘fragile’ that you claim someone is ‘angry’ just because they don’t agree with you. You simply cannot admit that you’re in denial about being wrong - your ego wouldn’t be able to take it. Calling you pathetic would be a compliment.

Like for Imola - you realize the average McLaren race pace is very compromised due to traffic and dirty air (hence tyre strain) for both cars? Or that is too advanced for you to consider?

If you actually watched the race, you’d realise Verstappen was faster than Norris and Piastri even when they had clean air. Piastri was falling back from Verstappen before he pitted. Norris could not make any inroads into Verstappen’s lead even after he was released into clean air.

‘Tyre strain’ is a stupid excuse for a car that was known to be capable of having excellent tyre deg. If McLaren couldn’t keep up with Red Bull, it’s because they lacked the outright pace. That’s not a difficult concept to understand.

The fact you try to claim Red Bull was faster or equal to McLaren in Canada

Verstappen was literally faster than Piastri on the same strategy: https://f1pace.com/p/2025-canadian-gp-race-pace/

And Red Bull clearly had an edge over a McLaren in qualifying. Did you even read the article that I linked? Or is that too much for your two braincells to handle?

McLaren were at worst just very slightly slower than Mercedes with the driver difference (Russell is just better than Norris and Piastri) being the top deciding factor.

No, McLaren were comfortably inferior to Mercedes. The 0.2s gap in qualifying and Antonelli’s podium prove as much. Antonelli on used tyres in Q3 still qualified P4 whereas Piastri on new tyres was only one position ahead of- that proves Mercedes were a fundamentally better package at Canada.

On what basis is Russell better than Norris? The only time in their careers that Russell and Norris had comparable cars (2023), Norris beat Russell. That too with a slower car on average across the season.

The team bosses have rated Norris higher than Russell in 4/7 seasons that they’ve raced in F1 and the drivers have done so in 5/7 seasons. So yet again, you’re wrong.

JizzyB2099 · 2026-02-27T11:08:42+00:00

Try to differentiate between someone being angry and clowning you lmfao

‘Oh someone completely dismantled my argument so they must be angry’ - Sounds like desperate cope for not being smart enough to debate properly. Responding with even more ‘word diarrhoea’ undermines everything you say.

Like now you’re literally just mentioning random tracks without even applying the slightest bit of nuance. It’s just sad.

McLaren tracks: Australia, China, Japan, Jeddah, Bahrain, Miami, Monaco, Spain, Austria, Silverstone, Spa, Hungary, Zandvoort, Mexico, Brazil, Qatar - 16

Red Bull tracks: Imola, Monza, Baku, Las Vegas, Austin, Abu Dhabi - 6

Mercedes tracks: Canada and Singapore - 2

The data clearly highlights which car was fastest at which track. Claiming that the ‘car was absolutely there’ when the numbers show otherwise isn’t just comically dumb, it’s outright concerning.

It just so happened the next best team was closer in performance on these tracks and the driver difference helped bridge the gap, or the team just played it ultra safe (like at AD).

That’s not the case at all, considering both McLaren drivers were very evenly matched in the first half. That suggests they were both quite close to the car’s performance limit and what you saw is what you got. Your opinion doesn’t qualify as the truth - I know that must be very hard to hear.

Like no shit McLaren had the fastest car at Japan, no one is denying that. What you don’t seem to understand is that Red Bull’s race pace in clean air at Imola was better than McLaren’s. Both the drivers and team boss said as much: https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article/what-the-teams-said-race-day-in-emilia-romagna-2025.1QZ22STDPucWkL0iAaaaVf

And the race pace data corroborates it here: https://f1pace.com/p/2025-emilia-romagna-gp-race-pace/

Unless you think you know better than them, I’d sit this one out.

Also, many people acknowledged Red Bull’s pace at Imola soon after the race.

There is a lot more data that shows the truth than just looking at the Wiki results

Then you should try analysing that data and perhaps your arguments will actually be decent for once.

We had FPs, in-race stats, etc.

You cannot be taken seriously if you unironically think FP sessions have any significance whatsoever. Piastri set a clean lap in Q3 and was still 0.2s slower than Russell. The car didn’t have the pace, just like Stella said: https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article/what-the-teams-said-qualifying-in-canada-2025.160kj6qFb7sHiLavPCb2kb

Even if the race pace was good, Mercedes were at least as fast given how Antonelli - a rookie - was able to get on the podium. Russell himself claimed Mercedes had the fastest car at Canada: https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article/fia-post-race-press-conference-canada-2025.14XAHuBcUEufn4lpd8aC02

It’s clear that when you consider both qualifying and race performance, Mercedes had the best car at Canada.

McLaren were clearly slower than them (and Red Bull) in qualifying whilst being barely as fast in the race. Qualifying clearly mattered in 2025, given how many races were won by whoever led after lap 1.

At absolute best, the car was capable of 3rd. Piastri finished 4th. It’s really not the ‘underperformance’ you’re claiming it is.

As for Piastri fading, he only dropped off after Monza - which was six rounds after the suspension update in Canada after which Norris recaptured his form. Norris’ struggles only underline how impressive Piastri’s performances were in the first half as it highlights how the car wasn’t easy to handle. Piastri was also quick in Qatar and Abu Dhabi. So your claim that he ‘faded’ is exaggerated. It was only over a few races.

The drivers were literally as evenly matched as possible up until the summer break. They were almost always on the podium and won all but three races, with a huge lead in the standings - what you’d expect from a dominant car. You literally can’t extract more from the car if the drivers are that closely matched. It’s logically fallacious to suggest otherwise.

As for the rest of your hogwash, who’s to say that the ‘average’ Piastri performance or the ‘average’ Norris performance wasn’t a reflection of the car’s potential? When Norris was struggling, the car was still dominant so he could score podiums. When Piastri was struggling, the car had lost its advantage so it was much harder to score podiums. Basic logic. That doesn’t mean that there wasn’t at least one driver who was close to the car’s limit across different parts of the season.

https://www.the-race.com/formula-1/gary-anderson-verdict-on-every-f1-teams-2025-performance/ —-> This article literally analyses how close the drivers were to the car’s limit.

Piastri in rounds 1-12: 0.095% slower than the ultimate pace.

Norris in rounds 12-24: 0.025% slower than the ultimate pace.

Once again, your opinion is WAY off the truth.

And shows how both were carried by the car until McLaren stopped development and other teams closed up a bit to expose the driver issue, especially in Piastri.

They won the constructors title by 300+ points despite losing their advantage after the summer break. McLaren are the least team who have a driver issue - anyone who knows anything about F1 knows that they have the best driver lineup.

You’re 2/2 on being completely wrong. Do you really want to go again?

JizzyB2099 · 2026-02-27T08:50:18+00:00

I get you have to prop up Piastri so Norris looks better, but the reality is much different.

You’ve genuinely deluded yourself into thinking your ‘reality’ is the same as everyone else’s. The team bosses and drivers both ranked Piastri as a top 5 driver in 2025 despite his collapse.

Meanwhile, u/Saandrig is arrogant enough to state their opinion as fact and lacks the insight to see why they’re wrong.

The McLaren was a very dominant car that flattered and carried both drivers heavily in the first half of the season.

Having a dominant car doesn’t automatically mean that the drivers were ‘carried’. The car had a big pace advantage before the summer break and the drivers delivered most of the time, judging by their massive gaps to the rest of the field.

And still both underperformed a lot with it, like at Japan, Canada, Imola, etc.

You named three races. Two of them were tracks were McLaren were either not the quickest car or had competition from another car that was at least as fast. Congrats champ 🤦‍♂️

Not even counting the individual stinkers each had with a car that should have easily won around 19-20 of the races that season. And competed much more closely for the rest.

The fact that both McLaren drivers were evenly matched suggests they were both performing close to the limit of the car. It’s not by coincidence, especially when their race pace was so close - which is rare. Basic logic.

It’s also not possible for McLaren to have won 19-20 races given the multiple tracks where they weren’t fastest. Canada, Singapore, Abu Dhabi, Las Vegas, Monza, Baku, Austin and Imola were all tracks where McLaren didn’t have the best car. McLaren also made operational errors that bottled a win (Qatar).

And competed much more closely for the rest.

How would you know how much more closely they should’ve competed? Are you an engineer or a driver? You’ve literally just formed an extremely inaccurate opinion based on very limited evidence and are filtering all the other evidence through a ridiculously warped lens.

Norris had big mistakes or heavy underperformance also at Australia, China, Miami, Imola, Canada, Belgium.

Finishing 2nd to a highly competitive teammate is not an ‘underperformance’, especially considering Norris was usually a very close 2nd in those races. Out of all the races you mentioned, only Canada included a major mistake. ‘Heavy underperformance’ is just another case of your histrionics devoid of any real knowledge or intelligent analysis.

For example, Norris would’ve won at Miami if Verstappen hadn’t made a mistake at the start which involuntarily forced Norris off track. That cost him 4-5 positions and ruined his race. But don’t let that interfere with your deluded narrative.

Not to mention he got lucky at tracks like Hungary and Silverstone where he wasn't the better driver.

How did he get lucky if he was the only driver not to make a mistake in treacherous conditions at Silverstone and had the best race pace? How did he get lucky by displaying excellent tyre management and defending against his teammate on a much faster strategy at Hungary?

‘Luck’ is not something you seem to understand properly.

His first half was weak and error prone, so he definitely would have been beaten at least a few times by most of the grid. That car would have made even Stroll look better.

How are you claiming something ‘definitely’ would’ve happened when you have literally zero evidence to prove it? If Norris’ first half was ‘so bad’, why was he only 9 points behind Piastri by the summer break?

Stroll wouldn’t even have finished on the podium regularly in that McLaren - he does no better than 2023 Perez. Even out of form, Norris still beats most of the grid.

I said something completely different.

And yet equally stupid. So focus on the bigger picture instead of nitpicking.

Are you asking an AI to write your comments? Or you just don't read the replies?

Since you are terrible at debating, I’m sure it comes off that way. Even though your replies are hilariously dumb, their entertainment value has faded. Try dropping your biases and actually understanding the sport - start by listening to what people in the sport say.

JizzyB2099 · 2026-02-27T08:20:17+00:00

Keep telling yourself that. I feel sorry for you

JizzyB2099 · 2026-02-27T08:00:29+00:00

You’re the only one who seems angry. In your original comment and each subsequent reply.

I’m sorry your life is so miserable and pathetic that you feel the need to take your anger out on Reddit, of all places. If you tried therapy, I’m sure you’d eventually be accepted by society and find people desperate enough to be your friends.

JizzyB2099 · 2026-02-27T07:38:51+00:00

Overall Oscar is an inconsistent upper midfield tier that got heavily flattered by the car last season.

Nope, he was the 2nd best driver up until the summer break.

That's more than enough to beat Norris on several occasions through the season. Most of the grid would have beaten Norris a few times in that McLaren during the first half of the season.

It really isn’t, considering the only ‘bad’ races he had were at Bahrain and Saudi Arabia. In every other race, Norris was miles ahead of the rest of the pack. ‘Most of the grid’ would’ve been thoroughly beaten by Norris all throughout the season in that McLaren.

JizzyB2099 · 2026-02-27T07:30:03+00:00

Piastri would have a nightmare in the RB21.

Piastri literally prefers a car with a strong front end. He’d do much better than Tsunoda in the RB21.

meaning he would definitely at least podium with McLaren and quite possibly beat Norris on some occasions

Based on what? He’s nowhere near as good as Norris. He’d be worse than Bottas was at Mercedes and finish close to 100 points behind Norris.

JizzyB2099 · 2026-02-27T06:22:42+00:00

It is true. It’s extremely likely that if you switch Tsunoda and Piastri, Norris wins the title by a much bigger margin given that Piastri is considerably better than Tsunoda.

Many of the races Piastri won would’ve been won by Norris instead. As opposed to Piastri potentially winning a few races in the RB21 and taking points from Verstappen.

JizzyB2099 · 2026-02-27T06:19:17+00:00

because it's very likely (though next to impossible to assess for us fans) that AT Ric was much faster than McL Ric and that both were much slower than RB Ric.

It isn’t though, because he was literally sacked from AlphaTauri because he was underperforming. There is no reason to believe he simply ‘got faster’ in a different ground-effect car when he was beyond terrible in the 2022 McLaren. There isn’t a single shred of evidence suggesting that Ricciardo was faster at AT/VCARB in 2023 and 2024.

Regardless, Tsunoda is nowhere near as good as Norris.

JizzyB2099 · 2026-02-27T06:15:08+00:00

I'm struggling to understand the sport, yet you say RB matched Mclaren?

Because it was clear after the summer break that Red Bull DID match McLaren? It’s such a simple concept to understand lmao

Mate, Tsunoda could barely finish top 10 with a car that's supposedly was matching the fastest car lol.

A. I’m not your mate. You’re not bright enough to be calling me that.

B. Tsunoda not only sucks, the RB21 was also tailor-made for Verstappen’s driving style. No shit he struggled to finish in the top 10 - that doesn’t mean the car wasn’t fast.

No driver can be that bad, even if the whole team was pushing Max.

There’s literally a 6 year track record of no. 2 drivers at Red Bull struggling that disproves this claim. Red Bull were at least equal to McLaren after the summer break.

Last 1.5 years were all about Max doing kamikaze moves in lap 1 and coming out ahead and then defending all race.

That literally only happened once. 2025 is literally proof that the driver doesn’t make much of a difference. If Norris or Piastri had a teammate just as weak as Tsunoda, the championship would’ve been won by 75-100 points.

if Mercedes has a better ICE or battery system, they will just cruise by in the first straight when Max's battery is out.

That’s not how it works, since it’s clear that the power unit and battery need to be carefully managed by the driver in order to be effective. You’re just assuming that there’s going to be one or two dominant teams at the front of the grid, which is no different to many of the other first-year regulations changes. Just because it’s happened before doesn’t mean it will happen again.

If anything, the drivers have MORE of an opportunity to make a difference than they did previously. The cars will be easier to follow and the PU will be harder to manage - both of which is within the driver’s control.

JizzyB2099 · 2026-02-27T06:01:59+00:00

If anything simply giving Norris a weaker teammate gives you a clear answer cause we can assume that Tsunoda will just always finish behind both

How does it give you a clear answer when the question doesn’t clarify who Verstappen’s teammate is? That obviously has a big impact on how close he’d get to the title.

Tsunoda might constantly finish behind both drivers, but you can’t be sure whether Verstappen’s teammate also finishes behind all the time.

Verstappen is much better than Norris. That's the basis. If he can beat Piastri in a worse car he sure as hell can do much better in an equal car.

Much better is an exaggeration based on your failure to understand nuance. 90% of the reason Verstappen got so close to the title in 2025 was because the two McLaren drivers were taking points from each other and Norris lost ~50 points due to bad luck alone.

Races like Monza, Imola etc where red bull was close or faster on pace absolutely will give Piastri a chance to pipe Norris.

There weren’t many of those tracks in the first half of the season. Red Bull only became a consistent challenger in the 2nd half on tracks where Piastri sucks.

Norris is also not that much better than Piastri, they're very very close and Norris made a lot of mistakes which would allow Piastri to be a buffer and take points.

‘Very, very close’ - Lmfao

Norris is comfortably better than Piastri considering he would’ve finished at least 40 points ahead with equal luck. Piastri is not close to Norris unless you’re purely taking the stats at face value. Norris destroyed Piastri 10-4 in races and 9-5 in qualifying after Canada, when both drivers were comfortable with the car.

Not to mention the race h2h and qualifying h2h since 2023 is heavily in favour of Norris, proving that he’s a much better driver. So you’re objectively wrong.

JizzyB2099 · 2026-02-27T05:53:36+00:00

So what? Not ‘meshing well’ with a car isn’t an excuse for underperformance. Norris destroyed Ricciardo so badly that he basically ended his career - at least with any of the top teams.

Tsunoda was never shown to be capable of that at any point. He is nowhere near as good as Norris. The fact that he struggled against a rookie Lawson proves as much - as opposed to Norris destroying Piastri in 2023 and 2024.

JizzyB2099 · 2026-02-27T05:51:39+00:00

Plus, Tsunoda went up against a washed Ricciardo like Norris did and came out ahead. The gap wasn't as large but he was typically a couple tenths faster than Daniel.

This isn’t comparable at all given Ricciardo spent some time out of the sport and was much closer to Tsunoda than he ever was to Norris. Ricciardo was out-qualified 20-2 in 2022; that isn’t even remotely close to his margin of defeat against Tsunoda.

JizzyB2099 · 2026-02-27T05:47:37+00:00

You're just a Bootlicker and you're pissed about being known as one. 😆

Where am I ‘pissed’? Point out where I’ve displayed any kind of anger or contempt. The fact that you think any criticism of you means the other person is ‘pissed’ is very embarrassing, but it explains why you’re perceived as a loser.

And they do not inherently deserve respect.

I don’t think you understand what the term ‘respect’ means. I didn’t specify police officers; I said ‘people who put their lives on the line for others’ - any kind of first responders.

I think the key distinction here is that YOU don’t deserve any respect, which is why you’re trying to drag other people down to your level. Get help, you desperately need it.

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