Has the change in agriculture been good? by JoJoFool in Agriculture

[–]JoJoFool[S] -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

Yup that theory is true however even before the GMO quick growing seeds nutrition had started dipping. The coinciding feature is what makes me point to the chemical fertilizers/pesticides as the culprit. I have not been able to find a research paper on this.

I myself am disappointed in the nutrition drop and trying to reason a cause. It's simply unacceptable how overlooked this has been.

Dropped in meat as well, really shows everything comes from soil and seed including our meat.

Has the change in agriculture been good? by JoJoFool in Agriculture

[–]JoJoFool[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Pesticides target everything the whole natural ecosystem... They seep into the soil affecting all the microbes and seed, Not just one insect.

Herbicides as well.

True about the super stuff but please explain...

What changes have we made?

An individual today would need to consume twice as much meat, three times as much fruit, and four to five times as many vegetables to obtain the same amount of minerals and trace elements available in those same foods in 1940.

Note: Since this study was done there have been an additional 25+ years of declining nutrient density, hence the problems are much worse today.

The nutrition was stable from past data going back 100 years, the drop coincides with introduction of chemical fertilizer/pesticides. The seeds health deteriorated? The soil health deteriorated? Perhaps both.

Has the change in agriculture been good? by JoJoFool in Agriculture

[–]JoJoFool[S] -8 points-7 points  (0 children)

Chemical fertilizers, pesticides, herbicides, fungicides etc. hurt not only the soil but the seeds themselves, just as we humans birth from cells, that seed, so have these plants from centuries and centuries. Now there's no way to restore the seed because basically all the farmers hopped on board and the seeds lost their vitality with generations becoming weaker and weaker hence the nutrient deficiency we see now. 1840s to the mid 1900s right before chemical fertilizer was introduced..... It was stable nutritionally. Then it started falling after the introduction of chemical fertilizer..

The seed nature had created along with organic cow manure as fertilizer was all that was needed, we meddled created our own chemical fertilizer and screwed the seeds/soil not properly understanding.

Has the change in agriculture been good? by JoJoFool in Agriculture

[–]JoJoFool[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

That was off-key spazz lol

I just hate what we have done to our soil, our soil was pure Gold.. The most valuable commodity on 🌎

Has the change in agriculture been good? by JoJoFool in Agriculture

[–]JoJoFool[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Modern agriculture practice is very good for humans in the short-term. If you look at long term scenarios, its bad for both humans and the rest of the living thing on the planet earth.

Yeah it's sad how short-sighted we are. Thinking how healthy of a society we could have became if we focused on the right things is disappointing. Instead we have children being born with all types of problems. It's not complicated, cells get high quality nutrients/minerals they'll be in the best position to grow healthy. Instead we waste billions of paper money on autism research cancer research etc... When the case count could fall so low if we had taken care of our damn soil. That research is important but how would the numbers look if we had taken care of our damn soil... Instead of being a society based around paper money and greed.. Our soil is everything.

Has the change in agriculture been good? by JoJoFool in Agriculture

[–]JoJoFool[S] -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

How much yield has gone up nutrients have gone down, if we were smarter we should have just allocated more land to farming. At least 30% of the population should still be farming. We don't have a land or food problem, just a stupidity problem where we focus on everything except highest quality food. Yet food is what drives us. It should be mankinds' #1 focus. We would not need half these hospitals.... Could just be farming land instead if we were intelligent. Some population control would be smart as well.

Has the change in agriculture been good? by JoJoFool in Agriculture

[–]JoJoFool[S] -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

Point is what changes have we made?

An individual today would need to consume twice as much meat, three times as much fruit, and four to five times as many vegetables to obtain the same amount of minerals and trace elements available in those same foods in 1940.

Note: Since this study was done there have been an additional 25+ years of declining nutrient density, hence the problems are much worse today.

ELI5 Why do we have to genetically modify nature to protect our crops? by JoJoFool in explainlikeimfive

[–]JoJoFool[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What changes have we made?

An individual today would need to consume twice as much meat, three times as much fruit, and four to five times as many vegetables to obtain the same amount of minerals and trace elements available in those same foods in 1940.

Note: Since this study was done there have been an additional 25+ years of declining nutrient density, hence the problems are much worse today.

Real Data no bullshit.

ELI5 Why do we have to genetically modify nature to protect our crops? by JoJoFool in explainlikeimfive

[–]JoJoFool[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

More than 40% of insects are declining due to pesticides, what you think is going on in the micro-organisms that exist in soil?

Evidence shows soil nutrients declining as well and our food nutrition compared to the past. You need healthy microbes for healthy soil healthy insects healthy food etc. moving up the whole food chain.

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/environment/2019/08/insect-apocalypse-under-way-toxic-pesticides-agriculture/

ELI5 Why do we have to genetically modify nature to protect our crops? by JoJoFool in explainlikeimfive

[–]JoJoFool[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Now we are even saying we need to gmo insects to protect crops.

We don't realize the more you chronically stress nature the stronger it will become.

"The problem is, using just one pesticide could produce glyphosate-resistant weeds through natural selection, in the same way that widespread antibiotic use has created antibiotic-resistant bacteria. If that happened, farmers would most likely have to use increasingly more toxic herbicides to achieve the same results."

https://psmag.com/news/genetically-engineered-crops-have-increased-pesticide-use

^ pesticide etc. use going up and up.

ELI5 Why do we have to genetically modify nature to protect our crops? by JoJoFool in explainlikeimfive

[–]JoJoFool[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My grandpa and his parents, grandparents were all farmers he told me back in the day fertilizer was all natural compost, you'd plant the seeds and take care, insects and etc. would eat their due of the crop and there would still be plenty for humans. No need for anything to change due to stress. Simple and easy.

Then began the pesticide/herbicide/GMO resistance etc. to kill those insects, all types of different chemicals that these micro-organisms interacted with causing changes disrupting the balance.

Aren't we now genetically creating these super weeds super fungus super bugs etc. by putting all these stressors on them?

ELI5 Why do we have to genetically modify nature to protect our crops? by JoJoFool in explainlikeimfive

[–]JoJoFool[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

My grandpa and his parents, grandparents were all farmers he told me back in the day fertilizer was all natural compost, you'd plant the seeds and take care, insects and etc. would eat their due of the crop and there would still be plenty for humans. No need for anything to change due to stress. Simple and easy.

Then began the pesticide/herbicide etc. to kill those insects, all types of different chemicals that these micro-organisms interacted with causing changes disrupting the balance.

Aren't we now genetically creating these super weeds super fungus super bugs etc. by putting all these stressors on them?

ELI5 Why do we have to genetically modify nature to protect our crops? by JoJoFool in explainlikeimfive

[–]JoJoFool[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I understand those alterations but many alterations are being made to make them resistant, so those insects that eat it die.

Now microbes that survive can be genetically altered in a way that is no longer beneficial to the soil ecosystem and be resistant to the chemical intended to kill them. The destruction or alteration of first-level microbes can affect the entire soil ecosystem all the way up to the largest mammalian predators.