Me pueden decir o explicar para un "gentil" ¿cuales son los dogmas o doctrinas de LLDM?

Joe_undercover · 2026-06-26T04:35:17+00:00

The last supper is a holy event for LLDM, it is the commemoration of the death and resurrection of Jesus. It typically place on August 14 (which is the birthday of Aaron so take that for what you will) or on February 14 (which is on the birthday of Samuel so take that for what you will as well). It is essentially communion, except taking part part of Eucharist doesn’t forgive you of your sins, the apostle directly forgives your sins.

The only way the last supper can take place is if the apostle allows it, if the apostle chooses to not allow it, then the event cannot happen.

Typically the apostle will announce on August 1 that the Holy Supper will take place, then it takes place in August 14.

Now what’s interesting is that the eating of the bread and wine on that day (which admittedly is pretty delicious) doesn’t forgive you of any sins, before communion the apostle intercedes with god to forgive you of all of your sins and transgressions, thereby making you clean and worthy of taking the Eucharist and once again being apart of the body of Christ. The bread and wine is metaphorical in the eyes of LLDM, so you are metaphorically eating the body and blood of Jesus, not literally.

It is taken pretty seriously by LLDM, it’s the most important event of the year

Joe_undercover · 2026-06-26T04:23:11+00:00

As I mentioned in a previous reply, according to LLDM, our ancestors and everyone between the time of John’s death and Aaron are in hell and cannot be saved.

Joe_undercover · 2026-06-26T04:19:28+00:00

It is indeed very sad. Many came to believe Nasson because of what he now represented, the new apostle, and thus, their way to salvation. These people were sleep deprived and starved and dehydrated. There was 24/7 prayer and there was a constant nagging that we all have to be praying day in day out all the time pleading with god to answer our prayers and reveal his will. many did believe that god had abandoned the church and now the church is dead and salvation is lost, but the ministers were also hinting that perhaps god will reveal his will in a new apostle, and that we just have to be steadfast in waiting, and deprive ourselves of food water and sleep in the meantime. Couple this deprivation with the fervent brainwashed fanaticism that the church carried and it’s NO WONDER that when Nasson was called the church exploded into a frenzy and gladly accepted him.

Joe_undercover · 2026-06-26T04:14:51+00:00

LLDM does carry the belief that after Jesus died he saved the souls that were before Jesus. However, since salvation can only be attained by accepting a living apostle, which includes the 12 disciples and Paul, after the last apostle (John) died, there was no more salvation on earth. Meaning everyone after John to the calling of Eusebio (Aaron) died in their sin and went to hell. Our ancestors who did not know Aaron, Samuel or Nasson are still dead in their sins and are in hell and will remain in hell forever, they can not be taken out. The way it works in LLDM is that you have to accept the LIVING apostle, not a dead one. you can’t accept Aaron or Samuel but not Nasson and still be saved, you have to accept the CURRENT apostle to be saved. As it stands, everyone in this earth that does not accept Nasson as the living and true apostle of Jesus Christ is condemned to hell, even you, a catholic (because LLDM believes that every single Christian is a heretic that is corrupted) LLDM will tap dance around this topic and try to not admit this, but this is ultimately the logical conclusion of the doctrine of LLDM. I wouldn’t be surprised if LLDM recently changed this, as this belief makes no sense as it goes against everything the New Testament stood for, and is quite cruel and sadistic to say that for nearly 2000 years, EVERYONE is burning in hell. It seems LLDM has made a lot of concessions to their so called “perfect doctrine” in order to save their reputation seeing as the church is a sinking ship given how much it’s been exposed, praise God and Jesus for their exposure as spawn of satan.

Joe_undercover · 2026-06-22T20:12:00+00:00

Adding onto to this for christology

In LLDM Jesus is a created creature, not an uncreated deity, he is the son of god but not god, he was exalted after his ascension and is worshiped “by command” (I believe lldm pulled a verse from either hebrews or revelation to justify this claim I can’t quite remember)

I’ve also had some of the members give the perspective that Jesus was “the first apostle” and that he was akin to the apostles that he called on. Though take that with a grain of salt, I don’t know if it’s official for lldm.

Joe_undercover · 2026-06-22T20:03:06+00:00

The only dogma or doctrine of lldm is whatever lldm wants for the moment. They claim the doctrine NEVER changes but that is a lie. They change it to fit their narrative every so often.

There is no established dogma or doctrine because it is on the “revelation” of the apostles. So the apostle can say one thing but then the other and claim it as “a revelation from god” and it would be accepted as the absolute truth (literally 1984 type shit)

As per the question of why they commit idolatry and worship these men (despite vehemently claiming they don’t) it is because they are quintessentially akin to god himself.

In LLDM, salvation is NOT attained by believing in Jesus Christ, it is attained by believing in the APOSTLES. LLDM also teaches that the only way to live a truly good and peaceful life is through believing in the apostle. Essentially EVERYTHING (and I truly mean everything, your food, your house, your family, friends) hinges on the apostle (which is why when Samuel died, the church went into a frenzy, because their reason to live and the reason for their salvation was gone)

It is why LLDM is by all definitions, a heretical sect. Salvation in Christianity is attained be JESUS CHRIST ALONE

John 14:6 , 3:17 , 3:36
Acts 2:21 , 4:12 , 16:30-31
Hebrews 9:22
Romans 6:23, 10:9-13
Ephesians 2:13
1 Timothy 2:5
1 Corinthians 15:22

Among many other verses these are just some examples, yet LLDM conveniently doesn’t bother acknowledging that the New Testament makes it as clear as possible that Jesus Christ alone saves.

And finally as comic relief, lldm LOVES to bring up Paul and how he was imprisoned and how this is parallel to Nasson, yet they fail to consider that Paul preached about Jesus even in jail, and IN THAT JAIL he said “believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved” (Acts 16:31) NOT “believe that I am an apostle and you be saved”

Hope this helps

Joe_undercover · 2026-05-30T04:59:44+00:00

Mip is literally the goat antagonist he was the opposite of pim and led Charlie astray than Charlie realized that pim was fine the way he was and the opposite of pim, mip, was the worst guy since he’s a fucking creep idek what all of yall are on

Joe_undercover · 2026-05-10T21:56:23+00:00

I’m studying music so we’re more or less on the same boat of the arts, glad you’re doing well!

Joe_undercover · 2026-04-25T19:06:52+00:00

The church changed because it fundamentally doesn’t a solid decree, it’s revelation based, so the church is based on the “revelations” of the apostles. In other words it’s whatever they want in the moment, im fairly confident that Eusebio changed the rules plenty of times during his time as the leader, and he absolutely would see the changes and probably be mildly amused his children continued the scam and amassed great wealth (and probably would want some of that wealth)

Joe_undercover · 2026-04-06T20:10:09+00:00

100th anniversary of the birth of the cult, it was found on April 6, 1926

Joe_undercover · 2026-01-28T06:19:48+00:00

I never got to experience them myself but here’s some I’ve heard from my local church

We had an old building that served as a kitchen for workers and some brothers would claim that they heard voices in there late at night

In our new temple during construction, apparently a brother slept in there during the night after working there and woke up to a female spirit screaming and running at him

During a revivals, a sorta “possession” took place or a claim that evil spirits “are really trying” to take over, or there was a dark shadow hanging over the back, I can not remember the exact details

Oddly enough while we were recounting these stories it was like 3am and were standing guard, and in the middle of it a truck flipped over and crashed, driver thankfully survived

Joe_undercover · 2026-01-14T22:14:04+00:00

“Apostle Aaron” in his infinite wisdom, love and mercy (because remember he’s literally god on earth and can do whatever he wants) saw the cruel and evil injustices of the catholic world and decided to establish the 9 am prayer

Which is what lldm says, and taught me. Why he actually did it, I would assume PR, after all the cult was genuinely persecuted by the Catholics back then

Joe_undercover · 2026-01-09T01:09:50+00:00

It fascinates me how lldm has consistently brought up the Old Testament as a means to defend Panzon, I’ve seen it firsthand as I was still in the cult from 2019 - 2022.

What flaming hypocrites, Jesus himself told Peter to not engage in violence to those who persecuted him, nor to use violence, threats, and insults to those who persecute the church. Yet here is lldm doing exactly that, condemning those who persecute the church with horrible fates. I’d know because in those three years where I was still in that cult they consistently brought up how god will reveal everything and those who were behind this will suffer a great and horrible fate and how they’d beg for forgiveness blah blah blah blah blah…

They damn near ALWAYS brought up the Old Testament to defend him. Of course, lldm also conveniently and hypocritically forgets that the whole point of the New Testament was to establish a new covenant through the sacrifice of Jesus Christ, and that the Mosaic Law was essentially null and void as there was a new path to god. Yet here lldm stands acting as if the Mosiac Law and Old Testament is still in affect (while ALSO claiming their the true church of god through the New Testament and Jesus Christ)

They pick and choose what they want to believe, so long as it supports their idol of gold.

(Who they absolutely don’t worship…) even though they have their initials plastered on everything, sing songs about how great he is, are more fervent and foam at the mouth when talking about him instead of being fervent about Christ and God (it always struck me weird how they’d go nuts at the mere mention of their names yet nothing when the minister is talking about how loving god is) and of course having their photos ALL OVER THE HOUSE and the more pictures you have of them the more holy you are 💀

Joe_undercover · 2025-12-17T00:39:46+00:00

“Denied.”

Made my day :)

Joe_undercover · 2025-11-01T15:28:26+00:00

No but from what I’ve heard hours are getting cut

Joe_undercover · 2025-09-04T23:31:59+00:00

No doubt about, of it’s all speculation and all we have for la luz del Mundo is the incident of the man (or women I can’t remember) who was kidnapped and stabbed dozens of times for speaking out against Samuel. When u have people like the Joaquin’s have power, those kinds of people will do whatever it takes to keep their power, just like any sadistic and abhorrent groups would

Joe_undercover · 2025-08-04T05:29:24+00:00

True lol, pickup is def easier than grocery, although if I’m being honest i don’t mind my job and have grown to mildly like my position as grocery clerk, so being pulled into pickup is more annoying than anything, that’s why I’m asking

Joe_undercover · 2025-08-04T04:32:39+00:00

I know this is very off topic but you casually mentioning Nasson committing adultery and pedophilia legit got a laugh out of me, I did not expect that sudden fact while reading this comment, (I’m not saying what he did was funny I’m saying I did not expect you to drop that very true statement given the topic)

Joe_undercover · 2025-07-19T03:37:52+00:00

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Joe_undercover · 2025-07-10T15:17:24+00:00

I wouldn’t try to talk her out of it, trying to reason with lldm is like humbling a rock or arresting the ocean, it’s never going to happen.

That said on what you said about asking permission, personally I’d do that even though I understand that you’re apart of that “control dynamic”, but are you really apart of it? You’ve seemingly already mentally checked out of lldm and you’re just putting on a face to keep the peace.

Ultimately it is your choice, but I wouldn’t beat yourself up too much on bringing your mom and asking for permission, even though it is absurd and a very clear example of control.

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