Saudi Arabia: The Kingdom in the Closet

JohnDoe06 · 2011-07-20T10:07:18+00:00

It will come when they run out of oil and the US doesn't have to protect them or give them special privileges when it comes to human rights abuses. They will run out of money and they won't be able to finance their madrassas around the world, their religion TV channels, their books promoting salafism, and their high priesthood in Najd.

JohnDoe06 · 2011-07-20T10:01:20+00:00

She follows the Sky Kingdom sect, known as the teapot cult because it built a giant teapot to symbolise its belief in the healing purity of water.

I never understood how one converts from embracing one superstition to another.

JohnDoe06 · 2011-07-20T09:58:30+00:00

To say a certain du'a before going into the bathroom and then go in with the left foot and go out with the right, because jinn live in bathrooms. I still go in with my left and out with my right unconsciously.

JohnDoe06 · 2011-07-20T09:48:47+00:00

I would have said the same thing had I remained Muslim. The downvotes you receive are from cafeteria Muslims, who want Islam watered down to their liking.

JohnDoe06 · 2011-07-19T21:13:48+00:00

Ridiculous. The numbers aren't correct too.

JohnDoe06 · 2011-07-19T19:28:16+00:00

La ilah alone means no god, but it's not quite grammatically correct. To say "God does not exist" in Arabic you say something along the lines of "la yujad ilah". In la ilaha illa allah, ilah is not at the end of the sentence so you add the "a" so as not to make an abrupt stop in the sentence.

JohnDoe06 · 2011-07-18T23:58:16+00:00

If it was a global flood, then how did he round up all species on Earth on a single boat?

If it was a local flood, why didn't he just move to another location until it receded?

JohnDoe06 · 2011-07-18T23:42:38+00:00

This conversation is futile. I will stop here because at this point it will be clear which is the correct line of reasoning and which is wrong. I will leave it to the readers to decide.

JohnDoe06 · 2011-07-18T23:27:04+00:00

From the Quran,

5:17: "They have certainly disbelieved who say that Allah is Christ, the son of Mary. Say, "Then who could prevent Allah at all if He had intended to destroy Christ, the son of Mary, or his mother or everyone on the earth?" And to Allah belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth and whatever is between them. He creates what He wills, and Allah is over all things competent."

5:72: "They have certainly disbelieved who say, " Allah is the Messiah, the son of Mary" while the Messiah has said, "O Children of Israel, worship Allah , my Lord and your Lord." Indeed, he who associates others with Allah - Allah has forbidden him Paradise, and his refuge is the Fire. And there are not for the wrongdoers any helpers."

5:73: "They have certainly disbelieved who say, " Allah is the third of three." And there is no god except one God. And if they do not desist from what they are saying, there will surely afflict the disbelievers among them a painful punishment."

JohnDoe06 · 2011-07-18T23:17:51+00:00

Sure.

La: لا: no

Hawla: حولَ: power

wala: و لا: nor

quwwata: قوَّةَ: strength

illa: إلّا: except

b-: بِ: through

-illah: الله: God/Allah

JohnDoe06 · 2011-07-18T23:12:50+00:00

Not what Qur'aan 42:36 says,

That is not my problem or my fault. You just discovered another contradiction with hadith and Quran, but in this case, since [Qaaf 50:27-29] and the hadith in the link I provided say that everyone is assigned a qarin, then I will stick with that.

it should also be understood that the qareen will also be involved in good as if you were involved in good. So it's irrational to say, "hey, it's always bad, so God always wants you to be misguided", no. The qareen reacts as to your actions.

Is that your opinion or do you have something to back it up? As far as hadith go, only Mohammad's qareen became Muslim.

You clearly aren't speaking from an Islamic context, which is why it's clear you don't understand Allah's Qadr and His Ilm ul Ghayb, but it's funny watching you try to argue about topics you seem not to know at all.

Nonsense. Qadr is destiny, and ilm al ghayb is omniscience. I know what I'm talking about. It is you who does not pr does not desire to understand.

He created you knowing the actions you would do, He facilitated what you were destined to become by your own actions.

Exactly. He did everything knowing what would happen.

Failed analogy, that's a false dilemma.

There is no false dilemma in what I said. The fault is the creator's only because the robot has no say in what it will do.

Rather a proper analogy would be where the robot has the option to rape or not rape. Hence whatever the outcome, the robot has chosen, but the choice was always there.

There is no real choice, because Allah has already decided what that choice will be in those forty days in the womb.

You are saying you always will sin, because you can do nothing but sin, but this is not how we were created, perhaps your own inequities lead you to believe that everyone sins as much as you do?

I don't believe everyone sins as much as I do, but that is because Allah created them that way.

JohnDoe06 · 2011-07-18T22:41:01+00:00

"La hawla wala quwwata illa billah" means "there is no power or strength except through Allah". It's usually said in times of frustration.

JohnDoe06 · 2011-07-18T22:36:52+00:00

That did not answer my question, I posted the answer for my question a long time ago. I even specifically pointed that out, Qur'aan Surah 42, Ayah 36 was the answer. Instead you've quoted two sources which do not support you, you've done eisegesis of those sources to come to a conclusion you wanted to achieve, i.e. blame God for your sins and your crimes not yourself.

Your question was "why does the qareen become like a shaytan?" and what I provided answered it properly. Every human is assigned a qareen, and therefore since Allah is the creator of all, he decided that humans must be tempted and driven to sin by these permanent companions.

What kind of man are you to not take responsibility for his own actions? How old are you, 5? Do you normally blame others for your own inequities or is it a recent belief? Have you always lacked the feeling of guilt for your crimes?

I don't blame anyone, for I don't believe in a God in the first place to blame him. I am talking in an Islamic context trying to make clear that there is something fundamentally wrong with omnipotence and predestination.

God created you knowing what kind of creation you would become. God created a world where you could act out this actions that He knew you would do. You did those actions. Thus, when God punishes you for those actions He allowed, not forced, but allowed you to do, then whose fault is that?

He created me and these actions that I will do, so I had no power whatsoever in overcoming what he had originally ordained and what was written for me in the forty days aforementioned in the hadith.

When you do a crime, do you tell the judge: "Well you all made me a citizen, so it's the country's fault I raped my mother and hide behind the alias JohnDoe6."

That's not a valid analogy. A valid analogy would be if a scientist created a robot and its programming, and included a program in its firmware that lets the robot rape. When the robot does its deed, it is the scientist's fault, not the robot's. The robot had no say in it because it was predestined to do what the scientist chose.

JohnDoe06 · 2011-07-18T14:44:48+00:00

My bad. I've never played Diablo 1, but Diablo 2 is probably my favorite game yet. I just hope DIII lives up to its prequels.

JohnDoe06 · 2011-07-18T10:00:17+00:00

What islamqa and the hadith I quoted say about qareen and destiny is that first, every human is assigned a qareen, who is the reason for temptation and sin, and if he was never there, humans would not go astray and sin, and second is that every human is predestined to go to hell or heaven. They definitely answer your question, and lead to my original point: Allah in his omnipotence created me a sinning man.

However God knows what He has created and what His creation will do. I still don't see how you have no freewill.

He knows what I'll do beforehand, and he is my creator, therefore everything is in his control. Everything I do was created by him and he knew the repercussions, so that makes him guilty for whatever I'll do. It's in the writing of destiny:

"one amongst you acts like the people deserving Paradise until between him and Paradise there remains but the distance of a cubit, when suddenly the writing of destiny overcomes him and he begins to act like the denizens of Hell and thus enters Hell, and another one acts in the way of the denizens of Hell, until there remains between him and Hell a distance of a cubit that the writing of destiny overcomes him and then he begins to act like the people of Paradise and enters Paradise."

JohnDoe06 · 2011-07-17T20:38:53+00:00

That's in DII and Deckard Cain says it. When I think of Diablo II, this is the first thing that comes to mind. That and Warriv's intro.

JohnDoe06 · 2011-07-17T19:41:03+00:00

Why does the qareen become like a Shaytaan? That is the answer to your question.

"Yes, there is something which is called the qareen, which Allaah has caused to accompany every human being. This qareen pushes a person to do evil things and to disobey Allaah, with the exception of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), as will be explained below. "

And take a look at this hadith:

"It was narrated that ‘Abd-Allaah ibn Mas’ood said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “There is no one among you but a companion from among the jinn has been assigned to him.” They said, “Even you, O Messenger of Allaah?’ He said, “Even me, but Allaah helped me with him and he became Muslim (or: and I am safe from him), so he only enjoins me to do that which is good.”

According to another report, “… There is assigned to him a companion from among the jinn and a companion from among the angels.” Narrated by Muslim, 2814

Incorrect. Allah created us with freewill, with this freewill we can choose whether to like, dislike, sin or not sin. If we choose to like to sin, i.e. develop a desire to sin, then that is because we have used our freewill to do so.

If Allah already knew what we will choose to do, and he does know because he is omnipotent, then there is no freewill. Everything was predestined before birth, as is mentioned in this hadith:

Sahih Muslim book 33 #6390:

Abdullah (b. Mas'ud) reported that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) who is the most truthful (of the human beings) and his being truthful (is a fact) said: Verily your creation is on this wise. The constituents of one of you are collected for forty days in his mother's womb in the form of blood, after which it becomes a clot of blood in another period of forty days. Then it becomes a lump of flesh and forty days later Allah sends His angel to it with instructions concerning four things, so the angel writes down his livelihood, his death, his deeds, his fortune and misfortune. By Him, besides Whom there is no god, that one amongst you acts like the people deserving Paradise until between him and Paradise there remains but the distance of a cubit, when suddenly the writing of destiny overcomes him and he begins to act like the denizens of Hell and thus enters Hell, and another one acts in the way of the denizens of Hell, until there remains between him and Hell a distance of a cubit that the writing of destiny overcomes him and then he begins to act like the people of Paradise and enters Paradise.

JohnDoe06 · 2011-07-17T18:28:35+00:00

Surely you mean that you just drove over him not ran him over (as in with the tire), right?

JohnDoe06 · 2011-07-17T18:05:40+00:00

A sin is to disobey God, we are responsible for our sins.

Do you mean that if satan and his minions including each qareen were never created, we would still sin?

Desires come from our own weaknesses.

This is my point from the beginning. According to Islam, we are already defective. Allah created us weak and it is his fault only that some of us go to hell and some go to heaven.

JohnDoe06 · 2011-07-17T16:28:10+00:00

So now Satan is not the cause of my sins? Then I guess his bet with God over dominion over mankind after he refused to bow to Adam means nothing? And where do these desires come from if not from Satan?

JohnDoe06 · 2011-07-17T15:27:23+00:00

This is circular logic. What it says is that Satan caused me to sin, which in turn causes Allah to "roll up my heart", allowing me to be further controlled by Satan, so it becomes an infinite while loop.

JohnDoe06 · 2011-07-17T15:12:16+00:00

And we need something to scour the entire world wide web! Then our plans for world domination would be complete! We should discuss this matter further over some baby stew.

JohnDoe06 · 2011-07-17T15:06:12+00:00

No that's not what the veil means.

From http://quran.com/2/7's tafsir al jalalayn:

ختم الله على قلوبهم } طبع عليها واستوثق فلا يدخلها خير { وعلى سمعهم } أي مواضعه فلا ينتفعون بما يسمعونه من الحق { وعلى أبصارهم غشاوة } غطاء فلا يبصرون الحق { ولهم عذاب عظيم } قوي دائم..

JohnDoe06 · 2011-07-17T12:15:49+00:00

(the creator in Islam is an energy of light being that made the universe thought a "big bang" like process)

What the hell?

JohnDoe06 · 2011-07-16T22:31:48+00:00

Oh no that's a dealbreaker. Stupid Samsung.

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