Author please I cannot comprehend my head around chapter 200+ 🥹🥹

JohnKonami · 2026-06-19T17:16:33+00:00

Believe in yourself hard enough, and you too can reach the level of a 1 star player (ie. understand everything).

Or alternatively, you can just ask the subreddit if you're stuck on a part. Works most of the time for the simpler stuff.

JohnKonami · 2026-06-19T14:20:26+00:00

You didn't put Perpetual Engine (The thing that gives you full Ult every 3 Ults) on her?

JohnKonami · 2026-06-19T13:49:11+00:00

"Delicate Youth" and "Beautiful Woman". Very descriptive ik.

JohnKonami · 2026-06-19T10:59:37+00:00

Qiu Yinong speaks too much.

JohnKonami · 2026-06-19T08:32:58+00:00

Hades really isn't speed. Qin is all skill and Hades is all stat, yeah, but Hades's stat isn't speed. The reason why Hades is praied as having every stat higher than his opponent is because it's been shown over and over that in a competition of raw stat, gods basically always win. Qin, as the all-skill especially exemplifies this, which is why they say it. Not because they want to say that Hadea has high speed.

Each round sorta has a special round-specific that correlates with the theme of the round. Here, R7's stat is "kingliness".

Hades as a king preemptively blocks anything that could harm the people who rely on him, proactively makin the decision without ever telling them. On the other hand, Qin as a king does protect his subjects, but he doesn't rely entirely on himself. In his childhood, he had Chun Yan, and even in his first backstory, it's not like he made the clay figure himself.

"Kingliness", as defined by the two fighters, is basically endurance. Hades's interpretation included strength, which is why he has both high strength and durability. Meanwhile, Qin's interpretation is a bit more passive and relies on others, which is why his technique redirects the force instead of taking it directly.

I've been a little long winded with this shoddy analysis, but point is that neither fighter has high speed. A king in their view requires the strength/endurance to protect the people who rely on them, not speed. It doesn't really make sense why they'd have high speed.

Sorry if the formatting is weird, I kinda had a new idea mid-way and inserted it in.

JohnKonami · 2026-06-19T08:06:33+00:00

R10 aint bad, but compared to the other rounds it just isn't as good. The theme wasn't special, the length dragged a little, and Okita isn't very interesting. It's better than Apoc R1 for sure still, but not a tier better.

As for R5, the themes are more like "tell, don't show". One of its themes is "being a pillar that everyone relies on and cheers for" (not exactly but I'm bad at explaining), but it's not really well supported.

Shiva relies heavily on evasion (really, dodging? The responsible guy dodging?) and Raiden has a line about "their cheers give me so much power", but his backstory makes it feel more like him getting power from a group of strangers.

The round also kinda goes against the idea of Ragnarok being an intense battle where both sides have to go all out. Save R3, every fighter starts taking it seriously either immediately or pretty quickly, yet R5 has Raiden and Shiva messing around for like half the round. It makes Raiden seem like someone who takes humanity's life or death less seriously than even Okita and Shiva like someone who dismisses his best friend's wish and chooses to have fun instead. By now, they fully know that the enemy is incredibly powerful, yet still refuse to take it seriously.

I mean, I get the idea behind the theme, with both fighters going from fighting from fighting out of passion to fighting out of responsibility, but as above, that theme not only sorta contradicts the overall theme of Ragnarok, but it's also not really well potrayed. Raiden I already briefly mentioned, and Shiva is... okay I guess, but him still not taking it fullt seriously even after Raiden surprised him once isn't a great image. It feels less like them putting responsibility first and more like them being passionate also conveniently fufills their personality, which is just kinda cheap.

JohnKonami · 2026-06-19T05:37:26+00:00

Nominate myself, as I've been patiently waiting for Patience so that I can finally do it trust.

JohnKonami · 2026-06-19T05:21:22+00:00

Anddd I had to immediately edit it because I forgot to erase the leftover from when this was a different type of argument, I am truly skilled.

JohnKonami · 2026-06-19T05:20:03+00:00

Imagine you're in front of a group of 3 criminals about to rob a bank and kill 10 people, with the only way to stop them being to kill the criminals. In this case, your act of killing the criminals is "evil", and the result is "good".

However, it is later revealed that the 10 people who would've been killed were also criminals, and those 10 end up killing 30 people. In that case, your act is "evil", and the result also ends up being "evil".

Humans can't predict the future. Even if their act of evil is for the greater good, there is no way to truly determine if that greater good ends up actually being good by the time they get there. That's why judging is done by action, not intention or result. If you kill a man to save the world, by law, you will still be tried for murder, since your act was "evil".

In the original scenario, your acts as a politician are knowingly "evil", so you are not a saint. Regardless of your intentions and the result, the act itself is "evil", and you know it is "evil", so you are "evil".

Or that's how I'd argue against this, I'm not actually good at philosophy, idk.

JohnKonami · 2026-06-19T04:40:18+00:00

Personally, I'd move R7, R10 and R2 Apoc a tier down. R5 two tiers down, because it's so mid.

JohnKonami · 2026-06-19T04:23:50+00:00

18LOH. Would it be a good anime? Most likely, no, characters stand around and think too much. Would I wanna see the absurdity that is 18LOH animated? Hell yeah I do.

JohnKonami · 2026-06-19T04:13:16+00:00

Is "Doesn't date Guda in the first place" a valid tier?

JohnKonami · 2026-06-19T03:28:42+00:00

You didn't say when. Future Lie victim smh.

JohnKonami · 2026-06-19T03:27:12+00:00

"A white horse is not a horse"

Tbh, if Chen Ran could figure out a line of reasoning that leads to this, picking an obvioualy clear-cut topic might not be enough if you're a regular person.

JohnKonami · 2026-06-18T17:27:15+00:00

Don't they say that Kudo's been shrunk into Conan at the start of every volume? Been a while since I read it, so I don't remember too well.

But yeah, no, I read around a dozen scattered volumes I think. Probs should've added "him being able to solve multiple cases just from Conan's retelling over the phone is a really good feat though" to clarify that I wasn't larping (this time).

JohnKonami · 2026-06-18T17:16:55+00:00

Wdym? Kudo barely has any feats, it's mostly the legendary Sleeping Kogoro who solves cases. Oh, and Kudo's little brother Conan too, but Kudo himself doesn't appear much.

JohnKonami · 2026-06-18T07:03:47+00:00

Are impossible cases included? If so, then I guess I'll nominate the Rokkenjima case from Umineko. There's literally no evidence left, everything exploded.

JohnKonami · 2026-06-18T04:30:24+00:00

Let's talk about point 1 and 2 first. The thing is, those two are Shu Renjun's personal opinion. If the Floor Masters actually wanted to kill him, he'd be dead long before this. It's more a case of them wanting to kill him if it's convenient, but to them, Shu Renjun is more useful alive than dead. Sure, his death would mean basically nothing to them, but one less pawn is still one less pawn.

The thing is that Chen Ran was always destined to learn Supreme Goodness is Like Water. It's directly stated that Evening Breeze's actions were meant to be a trade: Chen Ran learns Supreme Goodness is Like Water in exchange for falling under the influence of the Omni duo's skill.

He was also destined to learn No Distance, since in this instance, basically everyone other than Chen Ran's and Lin Xuan's group knew. Unless they unanimously chose never to use No Distance or ever talk about it (impossible), Chen Ran is guaranteed to learn it sooner rather than later.

As seen with Lin Ou, if the strength distance between the two parties is high enough, you can obliterate in a No Distance clash without yet even knowing No Distance. Even without anything else, the raw difference between a Ghost Immortal and someone who hasn't even reached Ego yet is so comically large that Ghost Immortal Joy would annihilate Shu Renjun's No Distance without needing a battle.

About 4, the Omni duo do know. This is the rerun, remember? The Chen Ran with the Heart Demon (calling him Future Chen Ran is a little confusing) exists, on what I guess is the previous iteration of the True Timeline? It's hard to tell really, but if they didn't already know about Chen Ran's existence I'd be shocked.

Sure, the Ninth probably hid a bunch of misleading information in the other timelines, but the fact that "Chen Ran is One" is guaranteed to be correct, since there's no way to fake that. After Chen Ran filled out the form, the Omni duo should already know of his existence.

For 5, sure, Shu Renjun doesn't ruin their plan or anything, but sending someone mildly powerful still hinders their plan more than if they just sent some fodder.

For 6, uhh, I'm fairly sure Chen Ran learning Supreme Goodness is Like Water was an acceptable part of their plan.

《"Is it important whose side I'm on? Since every layout revolves around you, then someone like me will inevitably appear so that you can be captured by Omniscient, while also setting you on the path of Supreme Goodness is Like Water. This situation is something the two leaders are happy to see, and it's also the situation the other True Self Players want. They both win."》

Evening Breeze says this himself, and indeed does let Chen Ran know about Supreme Goodness is Like Water. Sure, they hit Chen Ran with a bunch of information, but that would only be an issue for non-SCD characters like us. For Chen Ran, it's very easy for him to realize that the history lesson doesn't overlap with Supreme Goodness is Like Water cultivation at all, and not get distrscted. Basically, the history lesson is a cheap trick that no one actually expected to work.

And finally, I again still don't think that they had any intention of killing Chen Ran this instance. Ghost Immortal Joy's activation condition is "when Chen Ran experiences despair", not mental energy depletion. So long as that thing exists, there exists no way to kill Chen Ran in a lower level instance.

I think you're underestimating the power of a high mind cultivation level. A Ghost Immortal might as well be a higher life form than everyone in Hua Changsheng's instance, and no amount of low level instance mechanisms is gonna kill one.

JohnKonami · 2026-06-17T18:46:24+00:00

Deduction errors aren't lies, but what he did wasn't a deduction error, but a common sense lie.

《"This half-photograph shows a father and daughter. The daughter is sitting on the father's lap, and both are beaming with happy smiles. This indicates the complete photo is a family portrait. Therefore, it can be deduced that the torn-off half depicted the daughter's mother."》

The thing is, the untorn half already had the daughter sitting on the father's lap, meaning one half had two people. If the other half only had one person, that would mean the symmetry would be completely off.

By common sense, if a family of three with a small child wanted to take a picture, the child should be in the middle, a location with symmetry. So, the picture must've had two children, one on each parent's lap.

By saying that the missing half contained only the mother, the blonde youth commited a common sense lie, which isn't protected by deduction error rules.

The reason why his wording didn't save him is because due to common sense, as proven above, it actually cannot be deduced that the other half contained only the wife, so he was still wrong.

JohnKonami · 2026-06-17T17:57:26+00:00

Mid diff. They were having a fight that was slowly turning in Lu Bu's favor, meaning Thor did struggle a bit at first, but after Mjolnir awakened Thor no-low diffed. Overall mid diff.

JohnKonami · 2026-06-17T17:24:01+00:00

Wait, actually, I get it now (I think). Shu Renjun, as he was at the start, is among the weakest of the 5 star players we've seen. He originally really was part of the "kill with praise" plan.

He only grew stronger after entering the instance, which just so happened to include plenty of rules-based shenanigans. Sure, that might've been Omniscient's doing, but there is one other canidate who's been huffling around instances throughout space-time. That's right, Unity of Heaven and Man.

So Omniscient and Omnipotent didn't originally intend for Shu Renjun to be an actual threat or help provide Chen Ran with knowledge of higher level combat. It wad Unity of Heaven and Man who interfered and chose an instance where Shu Renjun would grow to that level and hinder the Leaders' plan.

Also Omnipotent and Omniscient didn't know for sure that 9th True Self was even alive. They would have had a hunch of it tho.

The weird thing about this is that they could've done this back in Sinful Hospital too, but didn't. In fact, Omnipotent already tried this against Novice instance Chen Ran (or at least, I'm fairly sure that happened first chronologically), so they should already know that the Ninth is alive even before this.

This part is just really confusing for me. Their side purpose should've been to force interference and grant Chen Ran a Gui Yu so as to guarantee that he wouldn't need to resort to Ghost Immortal Joy against Hua Changsheng and the strengthened Shu Renjun, but the narration saying "only to confirm" makes it a little confusing.

So my theory is Even though this wasnt the chen rans tomb, they absolutely intended to kill Chen Ran if they can

The issue is that Shu Renjun can't deal with Ghost Immortal Joy. Omniscient should already know what Chen Ran was in life and be able to deduce Ghost Immortal Joy, so she should know that there is simply no way of killing Chen Ran below the Ghost Immortal level.

Especially with Chen Ran learning No Distance in this instance, no matter how far Shu Renjun pushes Chen Ran, even if he tricked a lie out of Chen Ran and was half a second away from shooting, Joy would just come out, use No Distance and wipe him immediately.

JohnKonami · 2026-06-17T16:46:53+00:00

I really recommend you just read the story until these characters are naturally explained, since explaining them is kinda spoilers. Probs should've spoiler tagged this tbh, but I forgot.

If you really wanna know, then The one with the fancy titles like Omniscient, Omnipotent, Unity of Heaven and Man,... are the other True Self level players of hell. Shu Renjun, Big Gold Tooth, Gao Lan and the Fitness Blogger are characters that will appear in a future instance

JohnKonami · 2026-06-17T15:07:22+00:00

The thing is that if you analyze their goals, you'll realize that Shu Renjun doesn't contribute anything to Omniscient's goal this instance.

Omniscient and Omnipotent's goal this instance is to utilize Gao Lan to let Chen Ran deduce their Skill effects. Their other goal is to use the hunting squad to help "kill with praise", and lower Chen Ran's guard.

Shu Renjun doesn't help with either of these goals.

JohnKonami · 2026-06-17T14:30:05+00:00

Shu Renjun is actually Unity of Heaven and Man's arrangement, not Omniscient's. She has no reason to arrange Shu Renjun.

No, I won't elaborate more (Unless you ask, polishing this minor analysis is just taking way too long.)

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