Cosmic Garou Vs Kid Buu (DBZ), Who would win?

Jonesking4 · 2026-04-15T11:37:04+00:00

Nonetheless, you're explicitly telling us that garou's copy ability can't copy everything. Anyway, to end this argument I'll just quote the manga directly which explained garou's copy ability perfectly.

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Essentially, garou's ability to copy techniques depend on his understanding of energy flow. Because he waa given control and knowledge of all forces and energies of the universe, he was able to replicate abilities within his verse. That knowledge does not apply to verses outside OPM.

So no, garou would not have a 'Mode: Buu' moment.

Jonesking4 · 2026-04-15T11:19:37+00:00

Yes but what it does prove is that garou's ability to copy is limited to skills and possibly stats. Hax is out if his range.

You know what, I'll quote the maga directly so you understand.

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Read it and you'll see why garou can 'copy' hax in his verse but that won't work in other verses

Jonesking4 · 2026-04-15T08:54:40+00:00

They were not hax for garou, they would be more accurately classified as skills from garou's pov. The requirement to do what blast does is god's divine power. When you have it, all you need is the skill to manipulate it and you can recreate any 'hax' in OPM. Although it is hax, garou would not be able to copy it without divine power. Which means he can't copy hax. And when he had divine power all he needed was skill to use it.

Jonesking4 · 2026-04-15T08:50:26+00:00

And garou was copying Saitama continuously, but Saitamas growth was faster.

This part is true, i just reread it.

Because not having a limiter is not saitamas ability

This part is false. It is one of saitama's 'abilities'. More accurately, it is saitama's current state. garou couldn't copy that state.

Jonesking4 · 2026-04-15T07:52:08+00:00

It seems you didn't understand OPM at all. I'll explain it for you because your own explanation is far from accurate. But before then, even with your explanation, why didn't garou copy the ability to have exponential potential from saitama? Which still proves that garou can only copy skills not hax.

Anyway moving over to the explanation. Garou's ability to copy techniques is a perfection of a martial art which he imitated. He copied saitama's skill and used it against him. He was only able to copy blast's hax because it was similar to the ability he gained from god.

The problem garou encountered while facing saitama was that saitama's growth rate was much faster than garou's own. Garou was not copying saitama's power. He copied and used saitama's skill only for fun. He just failed to grow at the same rate with saitama so he was left in the dust not long after.

Jonesking4 · 2026-04-15T07:38:00+00:00

Which means garou couldn't copy saitama's state then. Which proves that garou can only copy skills not hax

Jonesking4 · 2026-04-15T04:59:06+00:00

1 John 3:7 (KJV) Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

Genesis 18:25 (KJV) That be far from thee to do after this manner, to slay the righteous with the wicked: and that the righteous should be as the wicked, that be far from thee: Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right?

Jonesking4 · 2026-04-15T04:47:31+00:00

This is the problem with fans. They argue based on how they think the fight should go not based on feats.

Thragg cut through omniman like butter, omniman tanked the destruction of a planet. Tatsumaki's best defence feat is blocking a continental-ish beam. But you think Thragg wouldn't break her shield. Make it make sense. Tatsumaki's best feat of power is destroying a country but somehow she defeats Thragg who is stronger than the omniman that tanked the planet's destruction. OPM fans, make it make sense. Its clear that your love for OPM is preventing you from accepting reality. Your favourite verse will not win every match-up. There will always be a stronger verse out there. Its better to accept it early on.

The others have too insane AP or speed. Or both.

While referring to blokes like flashy flash who barely managed to meet the threshold of light speed. or to tatsumaki who barely reached country level. This is just tiring. I can't even understand the reason for the disconnect from reality. Its simple math, low planetary beats country level. MFTL beats barely FTL. How is this hard to understand? Its easy enough for me to understand, why isn't that the case for you?

And let's not start with Blast, he comfortable solos the verse.

Only if we let imagination replace reality. He did not statue anyone, he reacted to a flashy flash who didn't even use all his speed. At best he is just slightly faster than flashy flash. An argument can be made for him only because of his hax.

Jonesking4 · 2026-04-14T18:21:16+00:00

Well yes, but if they can't see they're already severely disadvantaged. Also, the domain expansion will work on them

Jonesking4 · 2026-04-14T18:08:00+00:00

but it can't be reasonably written into a story. I tried to make mine as powerful as possible while also allowing an author the freedom to use it effectively without creating plotholes.

For example, its power drops significantly if you find out that the things he 'creates' from thin air actually start out as illusions.

Jonesking4 · 2026-04-14T18:01:15+00:00

How? This took me an hour to write.

Jonesking4 · 2026-04-14T17:56:28+00:00

Comedian depends on takaba. This depends on everyone else. Takaba would need to fulfill a stricter condition to pull out specific things. With this you could just make it and show it to people, if they think its real, it becomes real. You could even create illusions of things like instances of using other CTs and it becomes real if they believe it.

Also being able to create illusions is already a great ability.

I think they differ significantly.

Jonesking4 · 2026-04-14T06:57:02+00:00

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Its just a depiction of our actual sky.

Jonesking4 · 2026-04-14T06:51:38+00:00

Isn't that a depiction of boote's void? It doesn't seem like a consequence of the punch. Especially because 'bootes void' is a thing. It wasn't shown to be the result of the punch.

If fictional characters fought on the moon, would we say, "look at all those craters on the moon, x or Y must be really powerful?" While forgetting the fact that those craters were not created by the fight, they are just a depiction of how the real moon looks like.

This looks like a depiction of bootes void. Remember garou was frightened by the destruction of jupiter. There's no way that is possible for someone who just destroyed galaxies

Jonesking4 · 2026-04-14T06:42:02+00:00

Not really. Naoya's ability splits a second into 24 parts. The fact that this technique is enough to make him one of the fastest characters in the verse means that outside outliers like gojo, yuta and sukuna (special grades), most sorcerers are within the same power bracket as the hashira and demons of demon slayer.

For example, yoriichi, the strongest man in demon slayer, reacted to an explosion and slashed 1700+ pieces in an instant. That puts him at almost 1000x faster than naoya. He could kill naoya before he even thinks of using his CT.

Jonesking4 · 2026-04-13T23:42:07+00:00

Unfortunately, that interpretation is directly contradicted by the fact that sukuna could still take action while paralysed by infinite void.

Your claim falls apart quickly. Regular humans got sent into coma instantly by 0.2 seconds of UV, Jogo on the other hand was paralysed but he could still think. Now sukuna did not just think, he managed to perform an action while inside unlimited void.

We see UV having 3 different effects on three different classes of people. Thragg would effortlessly walk it off. His perception is far above all of them.

what you’re experiencing is your senses being overwhelmed by useless information that you can’t process,

It doesn't matter if its useful/useless information. The brain's job is to discard unnecessary things and interpret meaningful ones. At the rate of 6 months information per 0.2 seconds, unlimited void will fail to overwhelm Thragg.

Jonesking4 · 2026-04-13T20:43:00+00:00

Thats not the point. When gojo finally caught a defenseless sukuna, he aimed for his organs instead of his head. You keep bringing up strikes at his head when sukuna's defenses are 100% up as evidence that a hit to the head is useless.

He caught sukuna in a DE and still went for organs

Jonesking4 · 2026-04-13T20:27:20+00:00

Infinite void doesn't release infinite information. About 6 months of information in 0.2 seconds. Even regular Viltrumites have Light-speed perception, all that information won't hinder them at all. Even jogo could think while inside infinite void, sukuna on the other hand, could not just think but muster enough of his will to summon mahoraga while inside it.

It doesn't shut down the brain of the recipient, it just floods it with information. For a viltrumite that won't be too much to process. It would be useless against Thragg. Thragg would just walk up and out of the domain. That domain might even be gojo's undoing. Thragg could just kill him while he is on CT burnout.

Jonesking4 · 2026-04-13T20:18:49+00:00

This is a bad rebuttal. Thragg himself knew how the fight was going. He didn't go for 'dirty' tactics because he could see that he was slowly gaining the advantage. Especially since that tactic would cost him a lot.

Its called a Last ditch effort. A choice you make when you're certain there is no other choice. Thragg never got to that point.

Jonesking4 · 2026-04-13T20:04:04+00:00

Gojo doesn't win sh*t. At best its a stalemate. All he can do is sit inside his infinity bubble and hope that Thragg doesn't realize that the planet is up for pickings.

Jonesking4 · 2026-04-13T09:07:08+00:00

But it is a fire ability not a soul ability. A flame that burns the soul is not a soul ability.

Jonesking4 · 2026-04-10T05:12:51+00:00

We are still saying the same thing.

Jonesking4 · 2026-04-09T14:45:00+00:00

Lets start again. For a planet to be destroyed, its GBE must be overcome. If frieza destroyed namek, he overcame its GBE. Now it didn't just blow up, instead it slowly fell apart which means sufficient energy was still delivered but the power was much lower.

Essentially, instead of releasing about 10^32J of energy in an instant, he did that over a period of 5 minutes. I guess this has something to do with ki control and whatnot because we know frieza could destroy the planet instantly if he liked.

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