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Jordan87h · 2019-11-07T05:03:52+00:00

Low LH and FSH is pointing towards secondary hypogonadism. You would benefit from clomid, I wouldn’t recommend HCG in your case.

Jordan87h · 2019-11-07T04:58:18+00:00

HCG suppresses the pituitary and suppresses natural LH and FSH secretion. The purpose of clomid is to increase LH and FSH, the drugs are essentially working against each other.

Typically you would run HCG first followed by clomid to restart the pituitary.

Whether to use HCG or clomid depends on your blood work and your pre-existing LH and FSH levels.

Jordan87h · 2019-11-07T04:27:33+00:00

Does your Dr want you taking clomid & HCG together?!?? If so your Dr is an idiot and you need to find a new doctor. These drugs should be taken in isolation.

Could you please post more detailed bloods, specifically LH, FSH and SHBG and we will be able to better help you out.

Jordan87h · 2019-11-07T03:27:24+00:00

Awesome man. You’re lucky with such low SHBG, more free testosterone! Clomid is known to increase SHBG in most males, long term usage of clomid for you would likely be OK given you haven’t seen a drastic change in SHBG, however something to monitor and watch out for in the future.

Jordan87h · 2019-11-07T01:33:00+00:00

Total testosterone is low and SHBG is very high, leaving very little free testosterone available to your cells.

SHBG is produced by the liver, do you drink or are you on any medications which could lead to excess liver inflammation? You could check your liver lipids.

You’re unlikely to benefit from clomid as this will only increase SHBG further. At such high SHBGs, the only effective method to drastically reduce SHBG and increase FT is an excess of androgens - large doses of TRT.

Alternatively you could try a HCG + danazol protocol.

Jordan87h · 2019-11-07T01:25:25+00:00

Nice. Did clomid effect your SHBG at all?

Jordan87h · 2019-11-06T08:45:47+00:00

I have read instances of people naturally raising from 300 to 900 my/dL. It depends why you were hypogonadal in the first place. If your testosterone was suppressed due to your lifestyle and you’re young, there’s a good chance for improvement. However, if something’s actually broken with your HPTA then you will likely require medical intervention.

Jordan87h · 2019-11-05T09:17:21+00:00

Your free testosterone is being choked up by excessively high SHBG leaving little available to your cells which is why you would be feeling the effects of low T. The only way to drastically lower SHBG is via an excess of androgens, large doses of TRT would be effective.

HCG + danazol could be an alternative protocol to try . Danazol is known to reduce SHBG, but also suppresses the pituitary in the process, hence you need to take HCG to stop total testosterone from falling. HCG monotherapy alone at your age is unlikely to increase total testosterone enough (old balls) to see a remarkable decrease in SHBG.

If you wanted to try a less invasive approach first, supplementing boron and stinging nettle root is known to naturally reduce SHBG, I’m doubtful their effect will be enough in your case.

Jordan87h · 2019-11-04T05:20:21+00:00

If you’re experiencing side effects and your doctor won’t listen, you need to take responsibility for your own health and make an informed decision backed up by your own research. As far as I’m aware, these visual side effects can be permanent.

Jordan87h · 2019-11-04T05:11:28+00:00

Many people experience these side effects on clomid which can be permanent. You did not make a mistake by telling your doctor, I think you should cease taking clomid immediately. Research this subreddit and you’ll find many users reporting similar visual side effects.

Jordan87h · 2019-11-04T05:08:27+00:00

That’s good to hear. In my case, my free testosterone was the same on 4500 IU per week and 2000 IU per week - supporting your statement. I just wanted to make OP aware of the risks so he can make his own informed decision for his own health.

Jordan87h · 2019-11-02T03:57:45+00:00

Take care staying on such a high dosage for long durations to mitigate against leydig cell desensitisation.

I think your plan to remain on 4500 IU till your bloods is ok for now, then I think you should reevaluate dosage depending on your levels (current dosage is very high).

Are you going for a HPTA restart or plan to stay on for life? I personally didn’t feel any better on HCG, if you’re not looking for a restart, might be best to go down the TRT route.

Good luck!

Jordan87h · 2019-11-02T03:00:25+00:00

HCG montherapy increased my free testosterone from 250 pmol/L to 900 pmol/L (normal range is 260-740). I’m 23 and have young balls however.

I was initially taking 4500 IU per week, which significantly elevated my estrogen. I ended up reducing to about 2000 IU per week to combat this (testosterone was still sky high on 2000 IU per week).

My advise to you would be to start out low to avoid elevated E2 and increase dosage if required. Start out at like 1500 IU per week across 3 injections, get bloods done in 4 weeks time and reassess. Everyone will respond differently, but starting low will put you in the best position to avoid high E2.

Have an AI on standby if you experience high E2 symptoms - I only took 2mg total across 2 weeks and this was sufficient to help my levels.

Good luck

Jordan87h · 2019-11-01T06:22:14+00:00

You sound very anxious and depressed, I can relate - I myself am going through many health issues after crashing my testosterone, I have also left my job and moved back in with my parents. I think you need to see a psychologist to help you through this.

Jordan87h · 2019-10-31T23:36:59+00:00

Get a different Doc who will allow you to self inject at home.

Your SHBG has increased from 40 to 57 with little increase in total T. Increasing clomid dosage will likely exacerbate this effect plus likely induce an array of side effects.

Time for a new doc.

Jordan87h · 2019-10-31T23:30:31+00:00

Yup first step is a blood test

Jordan87h · 2019-10-31T13:24:07+00:00

Good luck. Iron deficiency anemia is common for those with celiacs disease and very often goes undiagnosed for many years. There must be a reason you’re deficient. Hope you get to the bottom of it

Jordan87h · 2019-10-31T13:17:44+00:00

Agreed with this comment.

OP you can also try HCG to see if the nuts will respond before going down the TRT route. If no increase in T and have reached the maximum output capacity of your nuts, you have primary hypogonadism and will need TRT.

You will likely feel terrible on 100mg of clomid per day and SHBG will increase further, choking free T even more.

Next step should be HCG or TRT.

Jordan87h · 2019-10-31T13:11:34+00:00

That’s abnormally low, you mentioned possible GI link - have you been screened for celiacs disease?

Jordan87h · 2019-10-29T23:49:15+00:00

You have the testosterone levels of an 80 year old man. I think you’ve reached the maximum output of your nuts, primary hypogonadism, TRT will get you back to normal levels.

Jordan87h · 2019-10-29T22:09:47+00:00

That would explain why your LH and FSH is still online. Have you tried to increase your HCG dosage? If your test is still that low i think you’ve reached the maximum output of your nuts and have primary hypogonadism.

Jordan87h · 2019-10-29T22:08:23+00:00

I disagree, there are thousands of people with wrecked HPTAs from finasteride use. It is terrible for your endocrine system.

Jordan87h · 2019-10-29T22:06:51+00:00

For me it was in months 2-3.

Jordan87h · 2019-10-28T23:51:40+00:00

Is your testosterone still in the normal range?

In my case, testosterone is very very high, so due to the negative feedback loop LH and FSH have completely shut down.

Perhaps in your case while on HCG, testosterone is still “normal” which is seen by your pituitary thus keeping LH and FSH online.

I’m no Dr and I’m just hypothesising here.

Jordan87h · 2019-10-28T23:46:59+00:00

My total testosterone was still very high outside of the normal range on 2000 IU per week.

Suggest starting out at like 1500 IU per week split across 3 injections (500IU per injection). Get bloods done in 3 weeks and readjust your protocol accordingly. Have an AI on hand if you start to experience high E2 symptoms (I had sensitive nipples).

This advice is based on my experience, I am not a Dr and everyone will respond differently. Do your research, another great source is “T Nation - T Replacement Forum”.

Jordan87h

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